What would be the odds of getting new USN Tier X DD "Forrest Sherman" from "FirePower Premium Container" when you take new compensation rules into account and own other offered ships?

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

What would be the odds of getting new USN Tier X DD "Forrest Sherman" from "FirePower Premium Container" when you take new compensation rules into account and own other offered ships?

 

 

 

 

 

"Container Contents and Drop Chances"

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/contents-and-drop-rates-of-containers/

 

 

"Compensation Rules"

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/compensation-rules/

 

 

I myself will buy it regularly but I think this is important for players to know true odds because I am sure that many will try to get her early via "FirePower Premium Containers" ...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Miscommunication_dept]

It depends if these containers have standard compensation rules or a different method like those of santa crates.

 

I have all the ships bar the Sherman so the compensation rule they go with will dictate whether I purchase  any.

It will be either a ~0.5% chance of getting Sherman or a 5% chance

[Yedwy]

Judging by what they posted so far - 0.5%

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

6 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

It depends if these containers have standard compensation rules or a different method like those of santa crates.

 

I have all the ships bar the Sherman so the compensation rule they go with will dictate whether I purchase  any.

It will be either a ~0.5% chance of getting Sherman or a 5% chance

 

3 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Judging by what they posted so far - 0.5%

 

That's why I asked... I would really not like some Forumite to be "lured"...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

 

[principat121]

15 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

when you take new compensation rules into account

Interestingly the new rules only states:

 

You'll receive another item that will be randomly selected from the list of possible items the container can drop.

 

Pay attention: there is no mention of items from the same group!

Meaning that if you are lucky enough to get a ship drop, but you already own that ship, that the 'reroll' can lead to anything other than a ship.

Rolling a ship that you already have does not automatically lead to another ship you do not have.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

11 minutes ago, principat121 said:

Interestingly the new rules only states:

 

You'll receive another item that will be randomly selected from the list of possible items the container can drop.

 

Pay attention: there is no mention of items from the same group!

Meaning that is you are lucky enough to get a ship drop, but you already own that ship, that the 'reroll' can lead to anything other than a ship.

Rolling a ship that you already have does not automatically lead to another ship you do not have.

 

Yep... exactly that's why I asked... IMHO if tahtn is true then that is HUGE nerf to whole container logic when players has luck to get primary prize but is unlucky to have it already...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Miscommunication_dept]

These containers are coming out tomorrow on NA. I'm surprised we haven't been given al the mechanics yet.

 

All other details about the container mechanics will be released later.

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/game-updates/update-0111-pan-asian-cruisers-part-2/

[Siagor]

2 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

...I would really not like some Forumite to be "lured"...

Why the quotes?

 

On the other hand, if you don't have those ships - I have only Salem - chances are rather good to acquire some high tier prem for a tiny petty cach.

[Klopirat]

Vor 6 Minuten, principat121 sagte:

Meaning that if you are lucky enough to get a ship drop, but you already own that ship, that the 'reroll' can lead to anything other than a ship. 

but:

Zitat

The chances of obtaining a particular reward from a group are the same for all items in the group. If a container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive a ship that you do not already have. The drop chances of a particular group do not depend on the number of items from this group that you have.

and

Zitat

If you already have all the ships from the list and the Firepower Premium container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive 3,000 Research Points.

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

4 minutes ago, Klopirat said:

but:

and

 

Where are those quotes from? They aren't on the patch notes.

[Klopirat]

Vor 1 Minute, gopher31 sagte:

Where are those quotes from? They aren't on the patch notes.

from https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/contents-and-drop-rates-of-containers/, as linked in the first post

[Miscommunication_dept]

So question answered:

Each Firepower Premium container includes (the percentage indicates the drop chances of each group of items):

• One item from the list below — 100%. Breakdown:
  • A Tier X ship with a Port slot and Commander with 10 skill points ( X Forrest Sherman,  X Moskva,  X Max Immelmann,  X Napoli,  X Hayate,  X Salem,  X Marceau,  X Yoshino,  X Grosser Kurfürst, or  X Khabarovsk) — 5%
  • 25x signals of the same type (Dragon, Wyvern, Red Dragon, Ouroboros, Hydra, Basilisk, Scylla, or Leviathan) — 44%
  • 15,000 Coal — 10%
  • 37,500 Free XP or 120,000 Elite Commander XP — 41%
• 12,500 Free XP; or 37,500 Elite Commander XP; or 900,000 Credits — 100%
• 12,500 Free XP; or 37,500 Elite Commander XP; or 900,000 Credits — 100%

If deemed necessary, balance changes may be applied to the ships.

The chances of obtaining a particular reward from a group are the same for all items in the group. If a container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive a ship that you do not already have. The drop chances of a particular group do not depend on the number of items from this group that you have.

If you already have all the ships from the list and the Firepower Premium container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive 3,000 Research Points.

The contents of each container are determined randomly at the moment it is opened on the basis of the chances indicated above. The stated drop chances do not precisely represent how many containers you need to open to get the items you want.

However, Firepower Premium containers have the guaranteed drop mechanic applied: You are guaranteed to find an item from the Ships group in the 25th container of this type if a ship does not drop after you open 24 Firepower Premium containers. The guaranteed drop count of a particular group resets after an item from this group is dropped. The drop chances of the items are indicated without taking this mechanic into account because it simply forces a certain item to drop, regardless of the random factor.

[Klopirat]

Vor 29 Minuten, Leo_Apollo11 sagte:

"Compensation Rules" 

I'd say those rules are kind of 'outdated', and are only valid for 'old' containers, without published probabilties...

[FonikiSayionara]

If i understand this correctly its 5% chance to get a ship and then get 1 out of 10 ships. If you have some of the ships just the pool gets smaller and if you own them you get 3.000RP.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

OK... to recapitulate...

 

The "FirePower Premium Containers" have their own set of rules and do not relate to older  "Compensation Rules" ! 

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Klopirat]

Vor 3 Minuten, Leo_Apollo11 sagte:

The "FirePower Premium Containers" have their own set of rules

which is similar to all containers listed on the drop rate page I'd say...

[Maris_Piper]

To get involved in anything like this Event would have to Trust  the Game Company/Developer involved, And there is the Problem TRUST 

[albin322]

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[albin322]

48 minutes ago, FonikiSayionara said:

if you own them you get 3.000RP.

tbh i do get why they did the 3000rp eaven tough i think that is way to low.

 

since giving the equality of dubs could be insane if you have all the ships!

[Verblonde]

13 minutes ago, albin322 said:

the 3000rp eaven tough i think that is way to low.

This is vaguely equivalent to the steel you got from the Satan Boxes for a duplicate; this approach strikes me as odd - if you have all the available ships already, this relatively poor reward for a duplicate is a motivator to stop spending on the crates.

 

It's clearly a good thing to have a cap on encouraging people to spend, regardless of how many people actually are impacted (the number of folk with *all* the ships has to be pretty small); I'm just wondering why WG would do it at all - surely they would want as much money from everyone as possible?

[Miscommunication_dept]

56 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

This is vaguely equivalent to the steel you got from the Satan Boxes for a duplicate; this approach strikes me as odd - if you have all the available ships already, this relatively poor reward for a duplicate is a motivator to stop spending on the crates.

 

It's clearly a good thing to have a cap on encouraging people to spend, regardless of how many people actually are impacted (the number of folk with *all* the ships has to be pretty small); I'm just wondering why WG would do it at all - surely they would want as much money from everyone as possible?

A maximum of 25 containers to get a Forrest Sherman (if you have everything else)  does peak my interest.

If they cost the same as  santa megas I might have enough doubloons for that and I always think special flags are valuable....

WG might manage to tempt me here!

[Fat_Maniac]

3 hours ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

What would be the odds of getting new USN Tier X DD "Forrest Sherman" from "FirePower Premium Container" when you take new compensation rules into account and own other offered ships?

 

 

 

 

 

"Container Contents and Drop Chances"

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/contents-and-drop-rates-of-containers/

 

 

"Compensation Rules"

 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/compensation-rules/

 

 

I myself will buy it regularly but I think this is important for players to know true odds because I am sure that many will try to get her early via "FirePower Premium Containers" ...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

Just read the rules and it says this ... "If a container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive a ship that you do not already have."

 

So I read that as if yo have all other ships listed and you get a ship roll then you will receive the Sherman.

[__Helmut_Kohl__]

3 hours ago, gopher31 said:

So question answered:

Each Firepower Premium container includes (the percentage indicates the drop chances of each group of items):

• One item from the list below — 100%. Breakdown:
  • A Tier X ship with a Port slot and Commander with 10 skill points ( X Forrest Sherman,  X Moskva,  X Max Immelmann,  X Napoli,  X Hayate,  X Salem,  X Marceau,  X Yoshino,  X Grosser Kurfürst, or  X Khabarovsk) — 5%
  • 25x signals of the same type (Dragon, Wyvern, Red Dragon, Ouroboros, Hydra, Basilisk, Scylla, or Leviathan) — 44%
  • 15,000 Coal — 10%
  • 37,500 Free XP or 120,000 Elite Commander XP — 41%
• 12,500 Free XP; or 37,500 Elite Commander XP; or 900,000 Credits — 100%
• 12,500 Free XP; or 37,500 Elite Commander XP; or 900,000 Credits — 100%

If deemed necessary, balance changes may be applied to the ships.

The chances of obtaining a particular reward from a group are the same for all items in the group. If a container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive a ship that you do not already have. The drop chances of a particular group do not depend on the number of items from this group that you have.

If you already have all the ships from the list and the Firepower Premium container drops an item from the Ships group, you will receive 3,000 Research Points.

The contents of each container are determined randomly at the moment it is opened on the basis of the chances indicated above. The stated drop chances do not precisely represent how many containers you need to open to get the items you want.

However, Firepower Premium containers have the guaranteed drop mechanic applied: You are guaranteed to find an item from the Ships group in the 25th container of this type if a ship does not drop after you open 24 Firepower Premium containers. The guaranteed drop count of a particular group resets after an item from this group is dropped. The drop chances of the items are indicated without taking this mechanic into account because it simply forces a certain item to drop, regardless of the random factor.

 

Where is this from? 

[Miscommunication_dept]

2 minutes ago, __Helmut_Kohl__ said:

 

Where is this from? 

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/content/contents-and-drop-rates-of-containers/

[Klopirat]

Vor 12 Stunden, gopher31 sagte:

If they cost the same as  santa megas I might have enough doubloons for that and I always think special flags are valuable....

(RU-Server)