Whats the point of Delny?

[Flosedus]

Just saw Maltas video him playing Delny. Whats the point of that ship? I dont see anything making it worth getting. It seems to be just plainly worse than Grozovoi. And if you just managed to get Khaba, you have your gunboat (which is probably also better than Delny?)

[Panocek]

Another snowflake/supercontainer to pick up.

[Itwastuesday]

The point is to suck because you're supposed to play T11

[Verblonde]

40 minutes ago, Flosedus said:

Whats the point of that ship?

I think @Panocek pretty much nails it!

 

I suppose, if one were feeling generous, she makes a bit more sense than Khaba did, in terms of being a continuation of what went before at T9 (although Daily Bounce isn't hugely complimentary*: https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/final-review-soviet-tier-x-destroyer-delny/).

 

It does also make the 'which Russian DD line' question easier to answer too, so there's that...?

 

Er, she's arguably prettier than Khaba. [barrel-scraping intensifies]

 

 

 

*Could be worse though; have a butchers at the new KM BB review (https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/final-review-german-tier-x-battleship-preussen/) - ouch!

[Ocsimano18]

4 hours ago, Verblonde said:

 

*Could be worse though; have a butchers at the new KM BB review (https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/final-review-german-tier-x-battleship-preussen/) - ouch!

I’ve seen some non cherry picked gameplay streams with her, and she’s quite strong. Those guns hit hard. The dispersion is 8 gun German BB, so Tirpitz like, but the reload is insane, and you don’t play her as a sniper. For me, even Zieten got cits frequently with the garbage sigma, 6 guns and fast reload. Here you get more guns with less RNG. With Preussen you can score cits quite easily. Just don’t want perfect salvos every time, but trust the numbers game.

 

And the firing angles are much better compared to GK.

[Panocek]

7 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Er, she's arguably prettier than Khaba. [barrel-scraping intensifies]

Not really, I quite like blocky looks of a Kiev/Khaba. Tashkent is good looker, but she wasn't made by the Russians. And Delny looks kinda like UFO version of Tashkent.

 

IMO biggest issue I see with Delny is firepower. You're supposed "all-out gunboat" but last firepower increase you had with the line was with tier 8 (6th gun and much more useful turret layout) and even that wasn't particularly good, as Benson, Akizuki, Cossack and Kidd will easily hand your arse to you on silver platter without being crippled in Concealment department. Delny vs Daring/Harugumo/Gearing, let alone Smaland/Marceau/MBRB Kleber isn't going to be any prettier.

 

Khaba provided good firepower increase thanks to 4th turret, but was axed hard by gun range nerf, proliferation of high velocity cruiser guns also doesn't help for open water shenanigans. And if you're going to sit in smoke or behind island, you might as well bring "proper" destroyer.

[SodaBubbles]

Wouldn't it have been better to return the 10K torps to Khab and then go with something totally different for Delny? I'm like the OP, don't see the point.

[Aragathor]

8 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

The point is to suck because you're supposed to play T11

Bingo. Everyone should expect the T10 ships that have T11 progression to be nerfed or replaced by much worse napkin designs.

Audacious will be the only exception, ship is garbage already, no nerf needed.

[_JustDodge]

Isnt the Russian T11 not basically a Khaba with alternative fire mode?

 

So most likely WG felt like Khaba to T11 wasnt enough off an upgrade and changed the ships. (dont take this one to serious).

 

[Panocek]

5 minutes ago, _JustDodge said:

Isnt the Russian T11 not basically a Khaba with alternative fire mode?

 

So most likely WG felt like Khaba to T11 wasnt enough off an upgrade and changed the ships. (dont take this one to serious).

 

Zhorky is Khaba of old but with nerf instead nerfhammer. 12.3km range instead 11.3 (current Khaba) and 13 (old Khaba), 8km torps, inbetween 6km and 10km ones for current and old Khaba, with alternate fire gimmick tacked on. And then Khaba endured reload nerf in meantime, as she used to have 4.5s base back in ancient times.

 

Which makes old Kebab a tier 12, especially in age of stealth firing?

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 hour ago, Panocek said:

Not really, I quite like blocky looks of a Kiev/Khaba. Tashkent is good looker, but she wasn't made by the Russians. And Delny looks kinda like UFO version of Tashkent.

 

IMO biggest issue I see with Delny is firepower. You're supposed "all-out gunboat" but last firepower increase you had with the line was with tier 8 (6th gun and much more useful turret layout) and even that wasn't particularly good, as Benson, Akizuki, Cossack and Kidd will easily hand your arse to you on silver platter without being crippled in Concealment department. Delny vs Daring/Harugumo/Gearing, let alone Smaland/Marceau/MBRB Kleber isn't going to be any prettier.

 

Khaba provided good firepower increase thanks to 4th turret, but was axed hard by gun range nerf, proliferation of high velocity cruiser guns also doesn't help for open water shenanigans. And if you're going to sit in smoke or behind island, you might as well bring "proper" destroyer.

Kiev/Tashkent have 5 seconds base reload, Delny has 4.5, so it is a firepower increase. What I don't like about the Delny so far is the huge 50mm plate reduction. Now it covers about only 50% of the broadside while Khaba has much more covered.

[Panocek]

5 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

Kiev/Tashkent have 5 seconds base reload, Delny has 4.5, so it is a firepower increase. What I don't like about the Delny so far is the huge 50mm plate reduction. Now it covers about only 50% of the broadside while Khaba has much more covered.

Except Delny had that 4.5s and 10% fire chance reverted back to 5s and 8% respectively, dovblegs 269 and 257.

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Except Delny had that 4.5s and 10% fire chance reverted back to 5s and 8% respectively.

I saw the firechance revert but I must have missed the 5s nerf, blog link please ? Last time I saw Carlito showint the Delny on stream (2 weeks ago) she had 4.5 sec reload and afterwards the firechance nerf came out ....

[Panocek]

1 minute ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

I saw the firechance revert but I must have missed the 5s nerf, blog link please ? Last time I saw Carlito showint the Delny on stream (2 weeks ago) she had 4.5 sec reload and afterwards the firechance nerf came out ....

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/257

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/269

[Hugh_Ruka]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/257

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/269

oh thank you, I have missed the 257 one ... crap ...

[Miscommunication_dept]

Delny vs Tashkent

 

HE DPM 137k vs 137k

Fires per min 5.8 vs 5.8

Range 13.1 vs 12.7

Flight times to 15km 10.6 vs 10.2

Torp range 10km vs 8 km

Torp reload 129s (10) vs 79(9)

 

Upgrading to Delny from Tashkent is trading 0.4km range for worse matchmaking.!

[Panocek]

7 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Delny vs Tashkent

 

HE DPM 137k vs 137k

Fires per min 5.8 vs 5.8

Range 13.1 vs 12.7

Flight times to 15km 10.6 vs 10.2

Torp range 10km vs 8 km

Torp reload 129s (10) vs 79(9)

 

Upgrading to Delny from Tashkent is trading 0.4km range for worse matchmaking.!

You've forgot to add Kiev into the mix, having identical firepower to Tashkent (and by extension, Delny) but at tier 8

[kremlyncek]

OP broken soviet ship!!! Russian bias!!!

 

Comrades, this isn't true?

[Panocek]

9 minutes ago, kremlyncek said:

OP broken soviet ship!!! Russian bias!!!

 

Comrades, this isn't true?

Don't worry, you will skree just fine when Delny pesters you from 15km away entire game while dodging most salvos 

[Takethatyoubeast]

11 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Er, she's arguably prettier than Khaba. [barrel-scraping intensifies]

And (I’m surprised you missed this) it is easier to spell 😂

[asalonen]

18 hours ago, Flosedus said:

Just saw Maltas video him playing Delny. Whats the point of that ship? I dont see anything making it worth getting. 

The broad answer is that WG is making the tech tree lines more consistent and logical. It makes the game easier to approach for new players, especially as we get more and more ships. 

 

When you reached Khaba you were into something quite different. Meanwhile, Delny is just a slightly buffed Tashkent. 

 

The problem with the Soviet DD's is that the two branches are now maybe too similar to each other. I wouldn't be surprised if the Grozovoi branch is adjusted to make it more different. 

[asalonen]

10 hours ago, gopher31 said:

Delny vs Tashkent

 

HE DPM 137k vs 137k

Fires per min 5.8 vs 5.8

Range 13.1 vs 12.7

Flight times to 15km 10.6 vs 10.2

Torp range 10km vs 8 km

Torp reload 129s (10) vs 79(9)

 

Upgrading to Delny from Tashkent is trading 0.4km range for worse matchmaking.!

Compared to Tashkent, Delny has:

 

Pros:

• 900 HP more health
• 1 knot more speed
• Higher power to weight ratio, for better acceleration
• Slightly better main battery firing angles
• Faster rudder
• Higher fire resistance
• Better fire chance, no? 10 % versus 8 %?
• One more torpedo
• Better torpedo range
• Slightly better AA

Cons:

• Very slightly slower shells
• Much worse torpedo reload and DPM

So while it's totally unexciting compared to Tashkent, it has many small buffs. The firepower is barely any better, but the additional range and manouverability means that you should be able to fire more. Throw in the better fire chance, and you should get many more fires.

 

By implication, you absolutely should use the repair party instead of smoke, and go for open-water gunboating.

[General_Alexus]

Well getting back 10km torps (Khaba used to have them) is kinda huge, with gunboats you want to throw out your torps without relying on them too much, but with 8km range this kinda dont works as you want to be 12-14km away from the enemy. With 10Km you can catch people when they sail towards you, with 8km you have to choose between torping and gunning (and as such you are simply not torping), and Khaba Torps are just a meme.

 

Are there already numbers out for Armor penetration? The turrets/Guns(?) look different so maybe you have better AP performance. Havnt found delny on a site I normaly use to look at hidden stats yet.

[asalonen]

15 minutes ago, General_Alexus said:

Are there already numbers out for Armor penetration? The turrets/Guns(?) look different so maybe you have better AP performance. Havnt found delny on a site I normaly use to look at hidden stats yet.

Delny fires the same 130 mm AP as Grozovoi. They're different from the 130 mm AP fired by Udaloi, Tashkent and Khabarovsk, but the performance is almost the same.

 

At close distances the Grozovoi/Delny shells have a bit more penetration, because the muzzle velocity is higher and the shell is harder. At longer distances the advantage is gone because the shells have higher drag, so they lose the speed.

 

Source

[LJNJ]

Considering the fact that Delny is Russian DD, I find it very odd that its not the part of "Russian bulls***" every other Russian ship is...