first coal ship to buy?

[Plexil]

my best ships are Rank 5 and i'm starting to accumulate a lot of coal. idk what ship i should get first, thinking a DD like the french Aigle?

should I save up by getting more resource crates or focus on something else?

Thanks in advance

[johncl]

Aigle is crap without a 11+ point captain 

 

Lazo is a long range HE spammer you play at range so you can play without 10 point captain 

[ScruffyNoob]

Hey Plxil

 

According to your player profile you have played about 300 games and seem to have played BBs, cruisers and DDs (more or less) the same number of times.

 

I am not sure what you regard as a lot of coal, so it is a bit hard to guide you towards a specific price range. No matter which ship you decide on - please remember to use the coupon to get the 25% discount. You will get a new coupon in June - so you can set a new coal ship as a short term goal then. 

 

I strongly urge you to organize your gaming sessions so you may get the maximum number of resource containers and/or complete the 6 daily missions - more containers equal more coal and the third and sixth daily mission also offer coal as a prize. However, even just getting to 2000 xp and getting a single container in a days gaming is worth it over time.

 

I think it is important that you should have a captain on your current tech-tree ships which has at least 10 points - concealment expert is important for DDs and fragile (mid-tier) cruisers. This should be a primary goal for your various grinds. If you do not have that skill you are at a disadvantage compared to other players who do.

 

Aigle is a pretty decent French DD - but it is quite different from the regular French tech tree DDs, because it has smoke. It is also tier 6 which you have not played and you will meet tier 8 ships. Are you ready to enjoy that experience? This also applies to tier 6 HMS Gallant and even more so for the tier 7 Blyska, Lazo and Duke of York. You run the risk of overreaching your skill level and getting stomped on by more experienced players and that is not a very fun experience. 

 

Perhaps you should focus on getting 1 or more tier 5 coal ships. If you use the coal ships as captain trainers, you could choose the USS Hill which is a close relative of the USS Nicholas or the Marblehead - which basically is an Omaha clone. Maybe you should choose the Okt. Revolution and start grinding the Soviet BBs or the Kirov and start the Soviet cruiser grind. Tier 5 coal ships cost from less than 30k to about 40k coal - with coupon and those numbers are in reach for most players pretty quickly.

 

Lastly, you might be better served by accumulating coal, until you find out which of the classes and nations you prefer to play. 

 

No matter your decision - I wish you happy hunting 

[Plexil]

6 hours ago, ScruffyNoob said:

Hey Plxil

 

According to your player profile you have played about 300 games and seem to have played BBs, cruisers and DDs (more or less) the same number of times.

 

I am not sure what you regard as a lot of coal, so it is a bit hard to guide you towards a specific price range. No matter which ship you decide on - please remember to use the coupon to get the 25% discount. You will get a new coupon in June - so you can set a new coal ship as a short term goal then. 

 

I strongly urge you to organize your gaming sessions so you may get the maximum number of resource containers and/or complete the 6 daily missions - more containers equal more coal and the third and sixth daily mission also offer coal as a prize. However, even just getting to 2000 xp and getting a single container in a days gaming is worth it over time.

 

I think it is important that you should have a captain on your current tech-tree ships which has at least 10 points - concealment expert is important for DDs and fragile (mid-tier) cruisers. This should be a primary goal for your various grinds. If you do not have that skill you are at a disadvantage compared to other players who do.

 

Aigle is a pretty decent French DD - but it is quite different from the regular French tech tree DDs, because it has smoke. It is also tier 6 which you have not played and you will meet tier 8 ships. Are you ready to enjoy that experience? This also applies to tier 6 HMS Gallant and even more so for the tier 7 Blyska, Lazo and Duke of York. You run the risk of overreaching your skill level and getting stomped on by more experienced players and that is not a very fun experience. 

 

Perhaps you should focus on getting 1 or more tier 5 coal ships. If you use the coal ships as captain trainers, you could choose the USS Hill which is a close relative of the USS Nicholas or the Marblehead - which basically is an Omaha clone. Maybe you should choose the Okt. Revolution and start grinding the Soviet BBs or the Kirov and start the Soviet cruiser grind. Tier 5 coal ships cost from less than 30k to about 40k coal - with coupon and those numbers are in reach for most players pretty quickly.

 

Lastly, you might be better served by accumulating coal, until you find out which of the classes and nations you prefer to play. 

 

No matter your decision - I wish you happy hunting 

Wow thank you so much i wasn't waiting for such a big answer!

for how much coal I have, I just realized that i don't have that much and that i was speculating yesterday since it was midnight but i have 27k

[Undertaker_The_Reaper]

I see no reason for a beginner to buy a tier 5 ship.

Ships for earning money start at level 9.

My favorite ships for coal.

Pommern is the best choice for beginners. Ride, shoot, kill.

Napoli is not the best in terms of damage, but armored and fun.

Moscow is a strong, accurate, long-range ship, but not for autistic people standing still.

Marceau is the best anti-destroyer, always fun fights.

[WorthyOpponent]

I'd say Marceau, she's fun and strong and pretty unique. But since you're new and most likely don't have any T9 premium, I recommend Kearsarge.

It's ugly but the ship is strong and simple. Also T9 ships earn more credits than any other tier so capitalize on that. You will need a lot of credits, a lot. T10 ships alone cost more than 20 million credits to get. 
Don't buy low tier ships with coal, I know they're tempting but it's really not worth it. After getting some experience most likely you won't even play them and higher tiers train captains even better than the T5s.

[WWDragon]

1 hour ago, WorthyOpponent said:

Don't buy low tier ships with coal, I know they're tempting but it's really not worth it. After getting some experience most likely you won't even play them and higher tiers train captains even better than the T5s.

 

I disagree on that since T6 and T7 can be used on Operations and are good for credits, FXP and CXP generation, DoY can be very strong in Narai even is not as great as the German brawlers, Aigle can be a monster on Aegis played right (and with luck on spawns).

 

The game is not or should not be "T10 final destination", there are some good ships at T5-7 like there are bad ones, you dont "win" the game by having T10 or T10 is any indication of "skill".

 

Also I would not recommend a DD to a beginner, especially a high tier one ... BBs are usually more forgiving.

[Panocek]

For better or worse, low-mid tier ships available for Coal at best can be described as "collectables". They do have increased credit income over same tier tech tree ships, but if you're serious about grinding credits, then I'm afraid tier 8-9 is where you at. Then there is issue of uptiering, as tier 6-7 will face artificial gap when dealing with tier 8-9 ships - major difference in Concealment for destroyers, lack of Overmatch while being Overmatched for BBs and HE penetration gap for Light Cruisers.

 

Many, if not all mid tier Coal ships have "close enough" sister in terms of gameplay (and often same class) as part of same nation Tech Tree. You could get yourself a tier 6 French DD, Guepard, play her and then decide if you like her enough to get Aigle for Coal. Same with Duke of York and King George the 5th in UK tech tree. Anshan and Fushun in Aliexpress Pan Asian tree. Lazo and Shchors in Russian tree.

[WorthyOpponent]

4 hours ago, WWDragon said:

 

I disagree on that since T6 and T7 can be used on Operations and are good for credits, FXP and CXP generation, DoY can be very strong in Narai even is not as great as the German brawlers, Aigle can be a monster on Aegis played right (and with luck on spawns).

 

The game is not or should not be "T10 final destination", there are some good ships at T5-7 like there are bad ones, you dont "win" the game by having T10 or T10 is any indication of "skill".

 

Also I would not recommend a DD to a beginner, especially a high tier one ... BBs are usually more forgiving.

In operations each ship has a 30 minute cooldown before it can be used again if you don't want to give 75K credits. Narai is already nerfed, reducing it further just to play the same thing again and again is not a good option when you can get into randoms. Operations have time limits and aside from that they are also kinda pointless after you 5 star them once. Can be visited once in a while for relaxation but other than that it's not a good investment for someone making their first coal purchase. 

I never said you win the game by reaching T10 or it was an indication of skill. You came up with that yourself.
Higher tiers = more BXP = more captain and free XP
High tiers = more HP = more damage to farm = more credits. It's just that simple really. 
 

[Verblonde]

21 hours ago, Plxil said:

idk what ship i should get first, thinking a DD like the french Aigle?

FWIW I might think along the following lines:

• Don't get anything until you have a sense of which sorts of ships you like to play; it's also helpful if you have a decent captain from a silver ship to put in any premiums you may get for coal (for example, any DD pretty much needs *at least* a ten point captain, once you're into +2 MM, for the CE skill).
• If these are amongst your first premiums, it might be worth looking around T6-7, as you can use those tiers for Ops (especially T6), but be aware that taking DDs into Ops is generally a spectacularly bad idea if you aren't yet a very good DD player (they're too flimsy).
• People have already mentioned the resource discount coupons (there are matching doubloons ones too); you only get two of these a year (the most recent reset was a couple of weeks ago +/-), so you want to use them where they'll save you most resources. If you're generating meaningful amounts of steel, save them for steel ships; if you aren't, save them for the most expensive coal ship you can get before the next reset. Happily, coal can be earned fairly easily, so it's usually a bit of a waste to use a coupon on anything lower than T9 at the moment.
• In terms of which ships to get: at this stage, I would focus on T6+; the lower tier ones can be fun, but their utility (especially if they're your only premium ships) can be limited. If you get something of higher tier than you're currently comfortable with in PvP, play them in Ops and Coop until your skill-set catches up.

[Anthoniusii]

22 hours ago, Plxil said:

my best ships are Rank 5 and i'm starting to accumulate a lot of coal. idk what ship i should get first, thinking a DD like the french Aigle?

should I save up by getting more resource crates or focus on something else?

Thanks in advance

1st of all you must deside what kind of ship you enjoy playing best.

My 1st coal ship was Musashi (was the 1st in coal ) because of 2 reasons:

1. I wanted a heavy tier 9 Battleship with already premium cammo on it to gain more credits. Musashi gave me all these years enough credits to buy a douzen high tier ships.
2. Izumo was great but I did not want to pay 4000 doublons for its premium cammo and also i sold it to buy Yamato.

An other choice was an unusaall for my play style ship. Many misions require Destroyers on CO OP battles atleast . So when i bought the US tier 5 non premium Destroyer I notticed that there was a low coal priced destroyer in same tier and almost same capabillities. That ship helped me with many misions.

Conclusion.

What is the ship type you enjoy best.

See if the coal version of it offers you enough benefits to spent that coal (premium ships are very usefull to train captains). My Musashi trained 3 21 skill points  Captains !

If you aim for a Destroyer I am not a good adviser because I do not play much DDs. But in my humble opinion you should start with a german or British tier 6 Destroyer with smoke inorder to train your self in destroyers tactics best.

[tocqueville8]

1) Player says he's only reached Tier 5, asks for advice on a coal ship 

 

2) forumites recommend Marceau, Pommern, Moskva (but "not if he's autistic" )

 

3) in other news, forumites complain about inexperienced players in high tier games 

 

On 2/9/2022 at 11:10 PM, Plxil said:

idk what ship i should get first, thinking a DD like the french Aigle?

 

The Aigle is fast and has a powerful armament, but she's also challenging: poor turret firing angles, poor concealment, very bad AA.

 

 

 

Look, 

about 2/3 of your games so far have been with beginner's matchmaking (easier opponents), and since you moved to T5 you've been struggling a bit. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a sign you've bitten into more than you can chew, for now. You also JUST got your first Tier 6 ship (Normandie).

 

If you want my advice, get the Charleston (St Louis clone, Tier 3): she's super cheap, powerful and a lot of fun. She's one of the 4-5 ships where I learned the basics (the others being Izyaslav, Wyoming, Hosho and New Orleans).

After you've learned to deal with human opponents a bit better, go back to the mid tiers, to Nicholas, Jaguar, etc., and *then* get the Aigle, or Blyskawica, Lazo, Hill or whatever you fancy.

Surely you can get a few low-mid tier coal ships, play the heck out of those, and only later saving for a Marceau or whatever.

 

For now, and until you have more experience and stronger captains, I wouldn't even think about high-tier premiums, if I were you.

Yes, DO save your coupon for now, don't blow it on a Tier 5, but DO NOT feel pressured into moving to high tiers, not with tech tree ships, not with coal ships.

 

cheers 

[Siagor]

9 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

If you want my advice, get the Charleston (St Louis clone, Tier 3): she's super cheap, powerful and a lot of fun.

 

+1, indeed is a fun fun fun ship.

[Purnylla]

Without going into specific ships (because it really depens on your playstyle), keep in mind that;

 

- You need tier 5 ships and above to progress missions.

- Tier 9 ships are the most profitable for XP/credit income.

- Tiers 6 and 7 ships can be used in operations.

 

 

[tocqueville8]

In general, you want at least one low-mid tier premium for each major nation, as it'll help you retraining captains.

 

For instance, if you go up the USN battleship tree, you want a US premium to retrain your captain from the S. Carolina to the Wyoming, then the New York, etc.

You don't need a premium *battleship* (e.g. the Texas), you can just use the cruiser section of your captain's skills, and put him on the Charleston. Or the DD section, and use him on the Hill.

 

The Gallant is also a ship I'd consider: more torpedo-focused than the tech tree line, but more comfortable than the Campbeltown.

[Gandd]

I wouldn't recommend using coal on low tier ships.

It takes time to get enough coal to buy high tier ship but i would advise you to rather do that and save coal for T9-T10 then spend on low tier ship

[Purnylla]

On 2/11/2022 at 5:16 PM, tocqueville8 said:

In general, you want at least one low-mid tier premium for each major nation, as it'll help you retraining captains.

 

For instance, if you go up the USN battleship tree, you want a US premium to retrain your captain from the S. Carolina to the Wyoming, then the New York, etc.

You don't need a premium *battleship* (e.g. the Texas), you can just use the cruiser section of your captain's skills, and put him on the Charleston. Or the DD section, and use him on the Hill.

 

The Gallant is also a ship I'd consider: more torpedo-focused than the tech tree line, but more comfortable than the Campbeltown.

I never have used premium ships to retrain captains. I've always used some elite commander XP for retraining, which I think is by far the easiest way to do so. Even if you'd use a premium ship to retrain a captain, you'd be better off with something on a higher tier than Charleston. 

[Purnylla]

On 2/14/2022 at 12:05 PM, Gandd said:

I wouldn't recommend using coal on low tier ships.

It takes time to get enough coal to buy high tier ship but i would advise you to rather do that and save coal for T9-T10 then spend on low tier ship

You can earn the coal you need for Charleston within 10 days, and it's a pretty enjoyable boat if you like playing tier 3. I never regretted buying Charleston myself. 

[user7890]

 I would advise a minimum of a tier 5 ship, so you can earn coal, XP etc via the Daily trial (even playing COOP).

 

I like the US Cruiser Marblehead. Its Tier5 came with a camouflage. It is good at rapid  firing HE at Destroyers and Cruisers. A coupon can help reduce the cost.

 

Next up are Gallant and Blyskavitska, when ready for tier 6 & 7 Destroyers.

 

Really depends on how much coal you have and the timing of your 25% off coupon.

 

[johncl]

Save your coal until you have a good commander ...at least 10-12 points ...Most ship live and die by having concealment expert as a minimum  DDs especially 

 

I would go for Duke of York ..It is a great ship even with a 10 point captain 

 

 

[Manowar_Menno]

I'm a pretty new player myself (and not a good one at that) but I would advise to save your coal for when you know what you like best. If you must buy one now, at least buy one of T5 or above, since every special mission (like the shipyard build and the Italian dd's) collects only points with T5 ships and up.

Regarding the massive earnings of T9, that is at the moment a lot less thanks to the superships you get to meet on a regular basis. I just reached T9 and have superships almost every battle. Not a very good experience to die 1 min. after being spotted and you have nothing to shoot at.

[ItsEyeJasper]

On 4/13/2022 at 5:34 PM, user7890 said:

 I would advise a minimum of a tier 5 ship, so you can earn coal, XP etc via the Daily trial (even playing COOP).

 

I like the US Cruiser Marblehead. Its Tier5 came with a camouflage. It is good at rapid  firing HE at Destroyers and Cruisers. A coupon can help reduce the cost.

 

Next up are Gallant and Blyskavitska, when ready for tier 6 & 7 Destroyers.

 

Really depends on how much coal you have and the timing of your 25% off coupon.

 

Gallant is not a great dd,  Aigle is a much better choice, Marble-head as well She is far to fragile. for a new player there will be a lot better options. I would personally save all my coal until i made my way to Tier 10 on at least one tech tree line and Tier 7 on at least every other class. that would mean you have at least a basic understanding of what each ship does and then based on the line you have taken to T10 you know what your preference is and then you pick a ship to resemble that preference..

 

My 1st choices will always be a: 

Cruiser : like the Moskova or Salem as i like the class and do well in them. 

BB : Gk or Pommern if you like the German BBs (i dont).

DD : Marcau, Nuestrashimy & Forest Sherman.

 

Again It depends on what play style suits you so why waste the coal at the start.

[Bainsmit_steel]

Do not waste  cola on low tier ships you have enough low tier ships in regular lines which you can grind easily. When you get enough coal take some t8 9 10 ship you will know alone what you will like.

 

 

[WildWind84]

I found Gallant and actualy Hill very fun in that tiers (5-7). Lazo also with ok capt. coud be good. Basically I have much coal ships and this is how I see them: 

1. Hill - fun and with at lest 10 pt captain coud be good.

2. Gallant - same as I wrote for Hill

3. Kirov - strong AP, ok HE, ok credit earn, vunerable armor

4. Oktobarska Revolutia - not bad, but also not spectacular

5. Duke of York - problems with armor and MM (possible MM against T9) also don't see him very good, but it isn't bad either

6. Marblehead - just got her, so here I still haven't opinion

7. Aigle - demanding, I still struggle with him.

8. Lazo - very good HE, not bad AP, possible problematic MM, but with eye on the sky and more than 10 pt captain he could be very good on snipe HE if you can run from every salvo (armor- see Kirov).

9. Blyska - just got her, so I still haven't opinion

 

Lower tiers also have, from all of them Charleston is for me very good ship.

 

Higher tiers some of the ships also have (T9 and T10), but wait with them for now. T8 for coal how much I am avare - don't exist.T8 - dobloons only.

 

Also - check on campaigns and some of the collections

 

Sry because my English isn't very good

[WildWind84]

BTW. Guys, does anyone have invite code to send Plexil if it still possible so he could get free stuff for new players?