The "wonderful" (......) F. der Grosse...

[zalman7700]

Well, Wargaming...

 

I wanted to thank you for the "magnificent", the "awesome", the "greeeaaat", the "outstanding" .... Friedich der Grosse.

What can I say, this ship is sooo "unbelievable" :

 

- Best guns in the game (sigma must be 5.0)

- Secondaries are sooo "powerful"

- AA is among the best, if not THE best of tier 9 ships

- The armor is sooo "strong"

- An unparalleled resistance to fire

 

The Friedrich der Grosse does not bring : frustration, anger, disgust...

 

On the contrary, it does bring : joy, happiness, fun to the game.

 

Well, how can we not love this ship ?

 

Well, thanks a lot Wargaming for committing, sorry, for creating this ship !!! With ships like the FdR, I never feel the need to uninstall this game after 6 year with it !!!

 

Note : this is humor, you can change every characteristics above by its opposite... Because if I say bad things about the ships, Wargaming will ban me...

[zalman7700]

Yeah, because when i try to brawl, I take dozens of fires, and when I do not, the guns are so pathetic that you can't deal damage (even secondaries are pathetic)... Not to mention the weak armor...

 

So I do not know how I should play this ship ? It can't brawl, and it can't snipe... So how do we play with the Grosse ?

[KillStealBoss]

On 1/30/2022 at 12:15 AM, zalman7700 said:

Yeah, because when i try to brawl, I take dozens of fires, and when I do not, the guns are so pathetic that you can't deal damage (even secondaries are pathetic)... Not to mention the weak armor...

 

So I do not know how I should play this ship ? It can't brawl, and it can't snipe... So how do we play with the Grosse ?

You have to brawl when the situation is clear. On EU server you have to be patient and take a wise decision, push only when you're sure that nobody will take advantage from your vulnerable position. It's not easy but being in a T9 you should know it from playing the previous tiers. 

 

 

[ColonelPete]

 

 

Your Friedrich wins more than your Musashi, which some consider to be the strongest BB on Tier IX. The problem is not the ship...

 

[zalman7700]

6 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

 

 

Your Friedrich wins more than your Musashi, which some consider to be the strongest BB on Tier IX. The problem is not the ship...

 

C'est normal : mon musashi me sert surtout à jouer en classé tier 9 (61% de victoires). Sinon, je joue Yamato, car cela ne fait pas de sens de jouer en aléatoire avec le musashi.

Je suis d'acord pour dire qu'il faut être patient pour jouer avec le Grosse en brawl, mais deux problèmes :

 

1) tu te fais ch*** à attendre que la partie s'élague et tu sers à rien pendant ce temps car c'est long et tu ne fais pas grand chose en dommages

2) et quand ton flanc s'effondre, tu ne sers à rien non plus car tu ne peux pas te repositionner...

 

Et quand tu va tanker, c'est chaud : tu bouffes du feu, l'armure est faible, les secondaires ne sont pas efficaces et les canons principaux ne sont pas fiables. Combien de fois j'ai tiré à mois de 10 km et soit tu overpen, soit tu touches pas... c'est de la frustration pure ce bateau. Le bismarck est bien meilleur ! Un comble.

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, zalman7700 said:

1) tu te fais ch*** à attendre que la partie s'élague et tu sers à rien pendant ce temps car c'est long et tu ne fais pas grand chose en dommages

2) et quand ton flanc s'effondre, tu ne sers à rien non plus car tu ne peux pas te repositionner...

1. That is your personal problem. Be patient and useful.
2. She is not a dancing queen, but she is not slow. Do not get surprised by a collapse and you will be fine. Better, help prevent the collapse in the first place.

As long as you see the fault with the ship, you will not get better results.

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

the current meta isn't even suitable for brawling. Play brawls instead of randoms.

[zalman7700]

13 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

1. That is your personal problem. Be patient and useful.
2. She is not a dancing queen, but she is not slow. Do not get surprised by a collapse and you will be fine. Better, help prevent the collapse in the first place.

As long as you see the fault with the ship, you will not get better results.

Objectively, how do I call a ship with  :

1) weak and huge armor so brawling is tough

2) bad guns so no sniping

3) takes so many fires so brawling is tough

4) is not fast enough to reposition

 

That are facts. What are this ship's strengths ?

 

Note : the Rupprecht have better main guns and far better secondaries AND it got torps and is faster !

[zalman7700]

As an example : I am playing right now, we lost DDs on our flank. I can't get closer to their main ships, because of DDs, and I can't snipe. So what do I do ?

[zalman7700]

It was such a pain in the a** grinding the der Grosse to get GK and now I have to do it again to get the Prussen ? I play (and pay) to get fun, not to get frustrated... Wargaming failed the design of this ship... just as simple

[ColonelPete]

24 minutes ago, zalman7700 said:

Objectively, how do I call a ship with  :

1) weak and huge armor so brawling is tough

2) bad guns so no sniping

3) takes so many fires so brawling is tough

4) is not fast enough to reposition

 

That are facts. What are this ship's strengths ?

 

Note : the Rupprecht have better main guns and far better secondaries AND it got torps and is faster !

You are ignoring your problem.

1. She does not have weak armor. There is a reason many beginners like german BB, because the armor is not weak.
2. She is not a sniper and BB are not for sniping in general. When you do not tank for the team, you do something wrong.
3. She has the same burn chance as any other Tier IX BB. I hope you setup your ship correctly.
4. She has the standard speed of Tier IX BB.

These are facts.

 

Rupprecht has weaker armor and less HP. When you prefer her, play her. Your choice.

 

27 minutes ago, zalman7700 said:

As an example : I am playing right now, we lost DDs on our flank. I can't get closer to their main ships, because of DDs, and I can't snipe. So what do I do ?

Not posting in forum while you play...

22 minutes ago, zalman7700 said:

It was such a pin in the a** grinding the der Grosse to get GK and now I have to do it again to get the Prussen ? I play (and pay) to get fun, not to get frustrated... Wargaming failed the desgin of this ship... just as simple

You do not have to. It is your choice. When you play something that you do not like, you fail to understand what a game is and what it is for.

[zalman7700]

Well, der Grosse is the only german BB that I do not understand. All other ones are great, but THAT one... come on !!!! Also, when I play something else, and that I see a der Grosse, I always tell mysel that it is an easy target... Which is true. Too easy to kill a der Grosse.

 

And I did post while playing, because my ship was chased after by DDs and I got a loooottt of time reading books, posting, and other more interesting stuff.

 

And I MUST play that damn der Grose because I want the Prussen. And that is the only way to get the Prussen... Since my freeXP is dedicated to getting the research bureau ships... 

[johncl]

Its a good ship ...Play it like any other secondary ship .....

 

Things to consider 

 

At range you take big damage at the start of game only shoot from long range when the timing is good for you IE you're pre angled slipping behind cover etc 

 

Know if the side you're on  is a pushing or kiting side  ..

 

Before you push make sure you know what is there 100% sure   Don't over extend .

 

When you kite make sure you know what is there as you don't want to hang around to long and get focused 

 

I have a 60% solo free to play win rate in this ship  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Itwastuesday]

It's fairly miserable. Reverse at the enemy stern in and spam shots at soft targets with your 22 second reload. Forgo secondary memes, those do something every once in a 20 matches.

 

The upside is that it has a somewhat equivalent firepower to other T9BB, with normal caliber for the tier and only 1 less barrel but faster reload.

 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, zalman7700 said:

Well, der Grosse is the only german BB that I do not understand. All other ones are great, but THAT one... come on !!!! Also, when I play something else, and that I see a der Grosse, I always tell mysel that it is an easy target... Which is true. Too easy to kill a der Grosse.

And still you win more in her than in some of your other BB.

And yes, there are many bad players on the old german BB line, thx to their good armor.

 

6 hours ago, zalman7700 said:

And I did post while playing, because my ship was chased after by DDs and I got a loooottt of time reading books, posting, and other more interesting stuff.

Then your problems are not really a surprise...

6 hours ago, zalman7700 said:

And I MUST play that damn der Grose because I want the Prussen. And that is the only way to get the Prussen... Since my freeXP is dedicated to getting the research bureau ships... 

No, you do not. It is your choice.

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

I take it OP's been reading the forum in the past few days.

 

I was actually planning to 'revisit' the FDG to see what kind of an experience FDG offers these days.

[FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor]

Womp womp, MF.

[Hirohito]

I quite enjoyed the FDG, more so than the Bismarck even.
The real stinker of that line is Gneisenau in my opinion.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

I quite enjoyed the FDG, more so than the Bismarck even.
The real stinker of that line is Gneisenau in my opinion.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

I re-grinded my "Friedrich der Grosse" (and "Tashkent") in preparation for the introduction of "Preussen" (and "Delny") next update in "Arms Race" in update v0.10.10 - it was quick and easy...

 

The FDG is not at all bad ship!

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[SmokinSerj]

I played around 200 games in FdG, grinding it twice, so after I researched the GK, now I'm sitting on another 250k xp so I can research and buy the Preussen the moment it comes out.

The first grinding was EXTREMELY frustrating. It was only in the end of the 2nd one when I managed to learn to play it and I even had some good games in her.

 

Not a bad ship, but very difficult one.

[Montrala]

Not a good BB player, but I recently grinded to research GK. I did not found FDG to be bad or frustrating to play. There are BBs that I just hated to play, FDG is not one of them. Key is to play close enough, but not too close. Rushing to get into secondary range early in battle ends badly, staying back with rest of "snipers" basically removes you from battle.

[zalman7700]

6 hours ago, SmokinSerj said:

I played around 200 games in FdG, grinding it twice, so after I researched the GK, now I'm sitting on another 250k xp so I can research and buy the Preussen the moment it comes out.

The first grinding was EXTREMELY frustrating. It was only in the end of the 2nd one when I managed to learn to play it and I even had some good games in her.

 

Not a bad ship, but very difficult one.

The problem is FDG is INCONSISTENT : for ONE good salvo, you will get something like 5 or 6 BAD salvos... that is frustrating. Damn the ship.

 

And secondaries build is not good at all, too weak compar"ed to the Rupprecht. When you want to rush, it is so hard because you got no torps, nothing, bad secondaries. Talking about the main guns : even at 8 km on a BB BROAD SIDE, the FDG can only do 1 or two pens and overpens, that is it ! Nothing more. That is shitty.

 

Today, I got a DD broad side at 5 km. Sent 8 shells and guess what ? 2 overpens, that is it. what the f*** ???? You can get the same with cruisers and... BBs !!!! 

 

And some time, one salvo over 6 or 7, you do good pens, and that is it. I will freeXP the Prussen or else I could uninstall that game purely and simply. I start to hate WG for making such disasters.

[zalman7700]

2 hours ago, Montrala said:

Not a good BB player, but I recently grinded to research GK. I did not found FDG to be bad or frustrating to play. There are BBs that I just hated to play, FDG is not one of them. Key is to play close enough, but not too close. Rushing to get into secondary range early in battle ends badly, staying back with rest of "snipers" basically removes you from battle.

Rushing in with bad / inaccurate main guns and weak secondaries, with no torps ? 

[Ryuuteimaru]

FDG has many problems making it a fairly weak T9.

 

1:Guns-Yes they're bad

 

2: Secondaries-In my opinion rarely do enough to be worth the in investment in points to make them functional (this goes for all ships).

 

3:AA-Worthless on just about everyship

 

4:Armor=It suffers the to good it's bad syndrome many hits that would be a over pens on other ships will be full pens on this ship meaning you take far more damage than other BB's would in the same situations.

 

It's a brawling ship that's in a game that doesn't really support that playstyle currently.