Petition: Petropavlovsk needs LONGFIRE_BIGFLOOD

[arttuperkunas]

I think pretty much all of us agree that Petro is busted. I've seen ppl on reddit suggest several times that the way to fix the ship would be to give it battleship fires and floods, just like Stalin.

 

I happen to agree with this. Petro would still be strong due to having better concealment than Moskva/Stalin and no broadside to speak of, but there would be at least one way to get rid of this ship.

 

Thoughts?

 

@YabbaCoe

@Seraphice

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Longfire Bigflood?

[arttuperkunas]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Longfire Bigflood?

This is apparently the relevant code tag for battleship fires :P. It was visible by error for some reason in the UI, and someone posted a picture of it in reddit a few months ago.

[MaxGct]

Me luv u bigflood longtym 10 Dolla Petro.

[lovelacebeer]

It certainly seems a reasonable idea to look into. 

[Pandafaust]

18 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

Longfire Bigflood?

He's the new Viking character in Azur Lane.

[Aragathor]

Nope, what Petro needs is a normalization of the 220mm guns so they don't behave like 380mm guns. And also it needs to be raised, because it has too little freeboard to actually go out at sea.

 

PS: If you look at the ship in the dock port you can see the ship has a massive draft, much larger than comparable ships in it's class. WG artificially lowered the freeboard on it.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Nope, what Petro needs is a normalization of the 220mm guns so they don't behave like 380mm guns. And also it needs to be raised, because it has too little freeboard to actually go out at sea.

 

PS: If you look at the ship in the dock port you can see the ship has a massive draft, much larger than comparable ships in it's class. WG artificially lowered the freeboard on it.

 

A low sailer ?

[arttuperkunas]

2 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Nope, what Petro needs is a normalization of the 220mm guns so they don't behave like 380mm guns. And also it needs to be raised, because it has too little freeboard to actually go out at sea.

 

PS: If you look at the ship in the dock port you can see the ship has a massive draft, much larger than comparable ships in it's class. WG artificially lowered the freeboard on it.

I don't agree, at least in CBs and ranked the problem with Petro is not mainly the guns - you have lots of ships with amazing guns - but the survivability. So at least from my POV the ship needs a significant survivability nerf, not a gun nerf.

[NewHorizons_1]

4 minutes ago, Pandafaust said:

He's the new Viking character in Azur Lane.

So when do we get him as a Scandinavian destroyer commander?

[ColonelPete]

Fire and flooding is not a problem for Petro and will not balance her.

Just making her AP less otherwordly would be enough.

[Itwastuesday]

Or just remove the radar and call it a day. If it's supposed to be the aggressive, tanky cruiser with good AP, why should it get radar. 

[arttuperkunas]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

Fire and flooding is not a problem for Petro and will not balance her.

Just making her AP less otherwordly would be enough.

Fires and flooding are not a problem for petro because she doesn't take BB fires or floods. 

 

I can guarantee that it will become a problem if it takes long fires/floods. 

[Aragathor]

7 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

A low sailer ?

A ship I would be reluctant to use in real life in the Black sea or the Baltic. Imagine an Atlantic storm and this ship.

 

7 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

I don't agree, at least in CBs and ranked the problem with Petro is not mainly the guns - you have lots of ships with amazing guns - but the survivability. So at least from my POV the ship needs a significant survivability nerf, not a gun nerf.

Well, ranked and CB are not the main modes to balance around. Unless you want to make dumb changes, like the YY nerf.

 

The ship should be decent at something, and nose tanking is one thing it has. Plus, raising the sides would make it suffer from the same weakness as other similar Russian cruisers, low broadside survivability.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Thankfully, I avoided all these problems with Petro, because I opted for Aleksandr Nevsky instead. Partly just because a distant cousin of mine was captain of the (much earlier) frigate Aleksandr Nevsky which inexplicably sank off the coast of Denmark... but that's another story.

[SV_Kompresor]

Agreed. It's cockroach like survivability needs to go. And dutch CAs need to lose the longfire_bigflood.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Agreed. It's cockroach like survivability needs to go. And dutch CAs need to lose the longfire_bigflood.

 

Or... alternatively, what if that kind of survability ..... ...survivability is instead extended to other ships as well...

[SV_Kompresor]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Or... alternatively, what if that kind of survability ..... ...survivability is instead extended to other ships as well...

If that means that wg makes my zao as tanky as petro, I'm all for it.

[arttuperkunas]

16 minutes ago, Aragathor said:

Well, ranked and CB are not the main modes to balance around. Unless you want to make dumb changes, like the YY nerf.

 

The ship should be decent at something, and nose tanking is one thing it has. Plus, raising the sides would make it suffer from the same weakness as other similar Russian cruisers, low broadside survivability.

NGL, this is a problem for balancing, because ships like the Petro really are quite different in a CB vs randoms environment, so you have to choose either or. Petro might be a nuistance in randoms, but it is downright toxic for CBs because of its survivability. Essentially everyone ran petro in this and every other season it was available in, not because of the guns, but because it can stall a flank more or less alone. 

[Animalul2012]

Wont happen as the ship gimmick lies in "tankiness". If you nerf that then there is not much of a reason to play it since it will be free damage against HE spammers and Is not like there are BB who can HE spam as well. You have to remove its radar and increase spotting range to 13.-13.2km. Also a petition to nerf thunderer when? One for Benham,musashi when,since they were never sold for doubloons. Or what about that one BB that you see every clan wars season or in every competitive mode, the one whose name starts with O and ends with HIO? Dont you think Schlieffen has to much armor and HP in comparastion to Prinz Rupprecht and that 12.6 detection is kinda silly? Also why do we have a BB whose weakness is low survivability but gets superheals and 10.6  minimum detection with some BS guns that dont give a crap about angling? If petro gets nerfed again then you have to nerf the others as well and brutally not by cutting some AA DPS or 1km range or half a seconds reload oh no no no do it the Khaba way or yueyang way. 

[Molly_Delaney]

1 hour ago, Pandafaust said:

He's the new Viking character in Azur Lane.

Shouldn't that be 'she's the new Viking character in Azur Lane' seeing as they're all girls?

Or are there some male type persons hiding in there somewhere?

[batch1]

It should not be able to tank this much with its low concealment, increasing its concealment by 0.5k -1k should level it out a bit.

[arttuperkunas]

39 minutes ago, Animalul2012 said:

Wont happen as the ship gimmick lies in "tankiness". If you nerf that then there is not much of a reason to play it since it will be free damage against HE spammers and Is not like there are BB who can HE spam as well. You have to remove its radar and increase spotting range to 13.-13.2km. Also a petition to nerf thunderer when? One for Benham,musashi when,since they were never sold for doubloons. Or what about that one BB that you see every clan wars season or in every competitive mode, the one whose name starts with O and ends with HIO? Dont you think Schlieffen has to much armor and HP in comparastion to Prinz Rupprecht and that 12.6 detection is kinda silly? Also why do we have a BB whose weakness is low survivability but gets superheals and 10.6  minimum detection with some BS guns that dont give a crap about angling? If petro gets nerfed again then you have to nerf the others as well and brutally not by cutting some AA DPS or 1km range or half a seconds reload oh no no no do it the Khaba way or yueyang way. 

1. Your comments regarding gimmick are unfortunately probably spot on, as WG have themselves confirmed that that's how they see the Petro, and don't want to mess with its unique gimmick. In my personal opinion, zombie tankiness is not a gimmick that this game needs, and just makes matches boring, stale and static.

 

2. I find your comments regarding Benham/Musashi/Rupprecht/Schlieffen/Ohio miss the mark slightly. T9 balancing (or lack of it) is its own nightmare, but WG has at least tried to balance T10, probably because that's where most competitive play happens. First of all, the fact that there are other broken ships in the game doesn't make it ok to have a broken ship, particularly when it is the very worst offender. In your experience, is Schlieffen, Ohio, or literally any other T10 ship is as oppressively omnipresent in CBs as Petro? I saw plenty of teams this season that did not run Ohio, but literally 0 that did not run Petro. That's a problem. Furthermore, while Ohio is strong, it's not on a completely different level than other BBs. Petro, on the other hand, can do things that literally no other cruiser can do.

 

3. As for nerfing concealment - that would probably help, but not by much. 

 

[Tanaka_15]

1 hour ago, Animalul2012 said:

Wont happen as the ship gimmick lies in "tankiness".

This ship gimmic is strait OP in all things. Super AP, super tankines, long radar. I woud probable give her normal AP and nerf relode to further, mayby remove radar. 

[Hawker_gb]

Petropavlovsk? LOL

 

When they will balance most stupidly OP ship ever - Thunderer.