Brawls: "players are matched on their skill"

[GarrusBrutus]

So Wargaming, what defines skill? What metric? Please end the ever ongoing discussion.

WR? Solo WR? PR? Damage?

 

[Johnny_Moneto]

Makes you wonder if they use the same MM as for clan battles.

[albin322]

isnt this what they did before that you get a score after evry battle and they match players after the score ? so winn allot =your good =loose allot =your shite!

[Yamashiro42]

42 minutes ago, GarrusBrutus said:

So Wargaming, what defines skill? What metric? Please end the ever ongoing discussion.

WR? Solo WR? PR? Damage?

 

If I remember correctly, some time ago someone from WG said somewhere that the metric is the absolute number of victories during the ongoing brawl. But I have not time to search it.

[Mandyxx]

Number of battles maybe?

[Animalul2012]

Number of premium ships and available/spent doubloons obviously.

[Bear__Necessities]

To be honest. With the massive void of actual skilled players. Especially on the EU server.... It's a fruitless endeavour to ask for it. So me thinks it's WG just spouting it's normal BS to look like it's appeasing the regular MM moaners that we know and loath. 

 

[Sir_Sinksalot]

18 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

To be honest. With the massive void of actual skilled players. Especially on the EU server.... It's a fruitless endeavour to ask for it. So me thinks it's WG just spouting it's normal BS to look like it's appeasing the regular MM moaners that we know and loath. 

 

 

If it's anything like the last time the actual game format doesn't entirely support high levels of skill or expose low levels of skill too much either. 

 

It's only 3 players per team so if even 1 dies early it can become very one sided. If 2 on the same team die early as is easily the case then it's an even faster result, and by very nature of the design which was some overlapping sectors blind sided by some islands in very close quarters whereby all players must very quickly try and grab cap or lose quickly(that happens if you ignore the caps, let the enemy take cap control and play it like a regular battle where you would have time to deal with that later).

 

What it all means is a typical Brawl is all 6 players pretty much charging very aggressively and very yolo like into a couple of close quarter choke points or risk losing to cap points really quickly. Now, since at least two of the ships are most likely DD's and another two ships most likely a couple of torp wielding cruisers, this means that there's a nose to nose encounter between probably at least 2-4 ships very quickly and a lot of torpedoes and HE shells let loose in a very small area lol! Needless to say, while this is very fun at times, it's not exactly a typical type of battle, not a typical type of tactic and not really exposing weak play or exploiting high levels of skill... it just really isn't there most the time and winning and losing boils down to having a lot of luck and Matrix like reflexes on your ships to avoid an absolute wall of torpedoes and shell hurtling down your very narrow channel between two islands lol.

 

At that point the BB slowly drifts in and passes through the smoke and carnage and graveyard of burning shipwrecks. "Ummm, guys? You ok? Anyone alive? Did we win??"

[Hirohito]

37 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

 

If it's anything like the last time the actual game format doesn't entirely support high levels of skill or expose low levels of skill too much either. 

Its probably gonna be a secondary specced BB fiesta like all brawls end up being.
Too forgiving to play, weaknesses dont get punished hard enough with a low amount of players, and the playerbase seems to love playing BB and especially secondary specced ones.

Personally I will probably just play a yolo-torping DD if the MM becomes to BB heavy, but the maps will also influence that decision.

[Bear__Necessities]

5 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Its probably gonna be a secondary specced BB fiesta like all brawls end up being.
Too forgiving to play, weaknesses dont get punished hard enough with a low amount of players, and the playerbase seems to love playing BB and especially secondary specced ones.

Personally I will probably just play a yolo-torping DD if the MM becomes to BB heavy, but the maps will also influence that decision.

Secondaries are back to being knocked out again now. So that whole Schieffen BS will hopefully die out.

[Hirohito]

1 minute ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Secondaries are back to being knocked out again now. So that whole Schieffen BS will hopefully die out.

Didn't stop people from spamming them in the last seasons though.

[Bear__Necessities]

11 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Didn't stop people from spamming them in the last seasons though.

Indeed. Though I've only seen 1 today in almost 10 games. More GK's back around for obvious reasons. 

[lup3s]

23 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Its probably gonna be a secondary specced BB fiesta like all brawls end up being.
Too forgiving to play, weaknesses dont get punished hard enough with a low amount of players, and the playerbase seems to love playing BB and especially secondary specced ones.

Personally I will probably just play a yolo-torping DD if the MM becomes to BB heavy, but the maps will also influence that decision.

 

17 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Secondaries are back to being knocked out again now. So that whole Schieffen BS will hopefully die out.

 

Brawls are T5 :)

 

[Hirohito]

3 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

 

Brawls are T5 :)

 

Aye. I still predict it's gonna be a german BC fiesta though. 

I'll probably go DD, either RN, IJN, soviet or frenchies.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Just now, Hirohito said:

Aye. I still predict it's gonna be a german BC fiesta though. 

I'll probably go DD, either RN, IJN, soviet or frenchies.

 

"Kamikaze R"

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

21 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

Indeed. Though I've only seen 1 today in almost 10 games. More GK's back around for obvious reasons. 

It's also pretty obvious as of why this brawl is T5 

Spoiler

Agincourt 4 gold with secondairy build

 

[Hirohito]

16 minutes ago, Leo_Apollo11 said:

Hi all,

 

 

"Kamikaze R"

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

That's the main reason I was considering RN DDs, to hunt those in case it turns out that many have it. 😁

[Bear__Necessities]

23 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

 

Brawls are T5 :)

 

I just meant in the general state of the high their scene with regards to the new KM secondary ships. 

 

4 minutes ago, Europizza said:

It's also pretty obvious as of why this brawl is T5 

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Agincourt 4 gold with secondairy build

 

 

[lup3s]

Just now, Hirohito said:

Aye. I still predict it's gonna be a german BC fiesta though. 

I'll probably go DD, either RN, IJN, soviet or frenchies.

 

at T7, yes - at T5, no

 

I think there are better secondary BBs on T5 than the Derfflinger.

 

I'm doing these without commander, since i don't want to respec one for the Derfflinger, but i'll do the same for other BBs

I have added the secondary range mod & the secondary range signal flag

 

Derfflinger :

- 8x1 88mm

Spoiler

 

- 12x1 150mm

Spoiler

 

 

compare this to an Oklahoma :

- 8x1 127mm

Spoiler

 

- 10x1 127mm

Spoiler

 

 

or even Agincourt :

- 10x1 76mm

Spoiler

 

- 20x1 152mm

Spoiler

 

 

 

Derfflinger doesn't have the range nor the RoF of those two.

Mind you, I'm not saying it's a bad secondary BB at T5, I'm saying that I think there are (2) better secondary BBs on T5

 

 

For the T5 brawls I'd go with 2 DDs (T22 and Gremy), and as a third ship a Furutaka or Emerald, or maybe a Velikiy

[Hirohito]

5 minutes ago, lup3s said:

I think there are better secondary BBs on T5 than the Derfflinger.

For sure, I just predict its gonna be german BCs because the playerbase might perceive them as the best pick.
Same for 1v1 brawl back in T8, the playerbase had a hard on for Tirpitz, even if it wasnt necessarily the best pick (I ate those for lunch with Massa and Shokaku).

[lup3s]

1 minute ago, Hirohito said:

For sure, I just predict its gonna be german BCs because the playerbase might perceive them as the best pick.
Same for 1v1 brawl back in T8, the playerbase had a hard on for Tirpitz, even if it wasnt necessarily the best pick (I ate those for lunch with Massa and Shokaku).

 

Tbh I may try full secondary Agincourt, just for fun.

 

(and btw you really need those secondaries since, even though you have 14 main guns, hitting anything with it is a roll of the dice each time )

[Hirohito]

Just now, lup3s said:

 

Tbh I may try full secondary Agincourt, just for fun.

 

(and btw you really need those secondaries since, even though you have 14 main guns, hitting anything with it is a roll of the dice each time )

Same, I'm gonna try Oklahoma for fun for a couple of games.
Though most likely, it won't be that much fun when/if I face actually competent players (esp DDs).

I don't care how many secondaries you put on that boat, with 20 something knots you are just asking to eat torps.

[lup3s]

2 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Same, I'm gonna try Oklahoma for fun for a couple of games.
Though most likely, it won't be that much fun when/if I face actually competent players (esp DDs).

I don't care how many secondaries you put on that boat, with 20 something knots you are just asking to eat torps.

 

Have your 2 DDs smoke you to the enemy - and have one of them be a T-22 so you hve hydro

 

T5  brawls may actually be good fun with the small maps

[Hirohito]

2 minutes ago, lup3s said:

 

Have your 2 DDs smoke you to the enemy - and have one of them be a T-22 so you hve hydro

 

T5  brawls may actually be good fun with the small maps

Can you div in that brawl?
Because I dont see me being able to rely on competent random T-22s smoking me up every other game. :D

Edit: I need to learn to read. Divisioning it is!

[lup3s]

2 minutes ago, Hirohito said:

Can you div in that brawl?
Because I dont see me being able to rely on competent random T-22s smoking me up every other game. :D

 

I assume you can (since you could previous Brawls).

 

I'll read through the article(s) if it's specifically mentioned or not

 

 

:edit:

 

yes you can