does tier 4 see tier 6 CV ?

[HassenderZerhacker]

that's something I would like to know.

if the answer is no, I might play tier 4 ships.

[tocqueville8]

Not unless the form a "fail division" with a T5 ship.

[Vbeest]

28 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

that's something I would like to know.

if the answer is no, I might play tier 4 ships.

No, but there will be other ships that will hurt you there. 

 

Better quit the game entirely.

 

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 46 Minuten, HassenderZerhacker sagte:

that's something I would like to know.

if the answer is no, I might play tier 4 ships.

No. I have been playing T4 since WG blessed us with subs, and you won't see T6.

[Verblonde]

Is there any possibility of +2 MM when the server population is sparse? I know that 'newbie protection' gives you bots if real people are thin on the ground, but does the same apply to old lags' T4 protected MM?

[HassenderZerhacker]

19 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

No. I have been playing T4 since WG blessed us with subs, and you won't see T6.

 

that's good news, I might play the Giussano then. I have good success hunting planes with that one.

[Aethervoxx]

While playing a T4 ship don't Div with someone who has a T5 ship or you then might see a battle with T6s where you might see a T6 CV.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 11 Stunden, HassenderZerhacker sagte:

that's good news, I might play the Giussano then. I have good success hunting planes with that one.

The Gouda T4 is more effective, I think, especially with one of the enhanced AA-commanders.

[HassenderZerhacker]

27 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

The Gouda T4 is more effective, I think, especially with one of the enhanced AA-commanders.

whats the "Gouda" ?

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 2 Minuten, HassenderZerhacker sagte:

whats the "Gouda" ?

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:De_Ruyter

[HassenderZerhacker]

Just now, MementoMori_6030 said:

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:De_Ruyter

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Alberto_di_Giussano

 

the range is short though, and no AA explosions.

but I don't really know what that means.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 5 Minuten, HassenderZerhacker sagte:

https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Alberto_di_Giussano

 

the range is short though, and no AA explosions.

but I don't really know what that means.

It means that at T4, you either have the most incompetent of the incompetent CV players who can't dodge flak, or notorious griefers who may be able to dodge flak, but none of them can dodge continuous damage and all of them tend to get close enough to feel it.

[invicta2012]

22 minutes ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

the range is short though, and no AA explosions.

but I don't really know what that means.

Planes travel through your AA zones when they attack you. Flak will do major damage, but can be dodged. Continuous damage applies to a plane depending on which AA zone it is in both on the entry and exit of its attack run. 

 

If you look at the excellent Shiptool.st and compare AA values for Tier IV cruisers you can see how it will work:

 

 

Only Konigsberg and Di Giussano have long range AA which starts damaging incoming planes at 4.6km (and they are also the only Tier IV cruisers with a flak burst, FWIW).

De Ruyter's medium range AA is strong enough to damage incoming planes but it won't stop a strike (Hosho's upgraded torp planes have around 1400 HP and an attack run will take far less than the 13 seconds of continuous damage needed to shoot a plane down).  Danae's mid AA looks impressive but the range is so short that planes spend far less time in the AA zone and take far less damage. You won't get much success with that one.

 

NB There is also jiggery-pokery around how continuous damage is distributed between attacking planes - but that bit I can't remember as they've changed it a few times.

[Shaka_D]

My slow tier 8 bb definitely gets to go into games with tier 10 cv's. Fun times against a russian tier 10 cv with almost no AA to defend myself with. When you get picked on by a relentless cv player there is nothing you can do, so it's often best just to suicide and go back to port and try again with another ship.

[HassenderZerhacker]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

Planes travel through your AA zones when they attack you. Flak will do major damage, but can be dodged. Continuous damage applies to a plane depending on which AA zone it is in both on the entry and exit of its attack run. 

 

If you look at the excellent Shiptool.st and compare AA values for Tier IV cruisers you can see how it will work:

 

 

Only Konigsberg and Di Giussano have long range AA which starts damaging incoming planes at 4.6km (and they are also the only Tier IV cruisers with a flak burst, FWIW).

De Ruyter's medium range AA is strong enough to damage incoming planes but it won't stop a strike (Hosho's upgraded torp planes have around 1400 HP and an attack run will take far less than the 13 seconds of continuous damage needed to shoot a plane down).  Danae's mid AA looks impressive but the range is so short that planes spend far less time in the AA zone and take far less damage. You won't get much success with that one.

 

NB There is also jiggery-pokery around how continuous damage is distributed between attacking planes - but that bit I can't remember as they've changed it a few times.

 

thanks for the info, invicta.

so based on the above table, which ship would you pick for AA ? FWIW, I usually escort a BB if I see it's going to be targeted.

[HassenderZerhacker]

1 minute ago, Shaka_D said:

My slow tier 8 bb definitely gets to go into games with tier 10 cv's. Fun times against a russian tier 10 cv with almost no AA to defend myself with. When you get picked on by a relentless cv player there is nothing you can do, so it's often best just to suicide and go back to port and try again with another ship.

the question was exclusively about tier 4 and tier 6 CV.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

14 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

No. I have been playing T4 since WG blessed us with subs, and you won't see T6.

 

Are there many bots in randoms?

I would play T4, but not with double T4 CVs and half team of bots every game....

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, RenamedUser_92906789 sagte:

Are there many bots in randoms?

No, not really. At least if you are playing at "normal" times; quite a lot of experienced players are avoiding WGs' great new concepts, as it seems, and the rest are newbies.

Vor 1 Minute, RenamedUser_92906789 sagte:

I would play T4, but not with double T4 CVs and half team of bots every game....

Well, 2 CV is pretty normal. Fortunately, most of them are either newbies or the most incompetent veterans who are afraid of even the most minuscle AAA.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

7 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

No, not really. At least if you are playing at "normal" times; quite a lot of experienced players are avoiding WGs' great new concepts, as it seems, and the rest are newbies.

Well, 2 CV is pretty normal. Fortunately, most of them are either newbies or the most incompetent veterans who are afraid of even the most minuscle AAA.

 

Then I might actually dust off my Clemson and finally complete epoch campaign.

 

Thnx for the info

[Procrastes]

18 hours ago, Verblonde said:

Is there any possibility of +2 MM when the server population is sparse? I know that 'newbie protection' gives you bots if real people are thin on the ground, but does the same apply to old lags' T4 protected MM?

Given that tier 4 regularly faces double CV:s, the idea of any kind of newbie protection at that tier must be considered to have failed spectacularly. Having those CV:s occasionally be tier 6 instead of tier 4 wouldn't change the outcome, it would just shorten the suffering.

[CapnGebs]

As Procrastes says there wont be tier 6 ships but there are often matches with 2 aircraft carriers on each team which is pretty tough as the ships generally have very poor AA at that tier. (not that AA helps much anyway)

 

Regarding bots I find when I play the lower tiers the lower tier you go the more bots you may encounter. I have certainly seen tier 3 matches with maybe a third of the ships being bots

[RenamedUser_92906789]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

No, not really. At least if you are playing at "normal" times; quite a lot of experienced players are avoiding WGs' great new concepts, as it seems, and the rest are newbies.

Well, 2 CV is pretty normal. Fortunately, most of them are either newbies or the most incompetent veterans who are afraid of even the most minuscle AAA.

 

Played 1 game ... soooo ... this is where you have been hiding ;)

 

[Shaka_D]

1 hour ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

the question was exclusively about tier 4 and tier 6 CV.

Does that forbid me from expanding on the conversation by mentioning something that might also be relevant? I'm sure you get the idea though, right? Either way, it's not a pleasant experience going up against a higher tier cv in a lower tier ship? Apologies if this isn't what you wanted to hear, but just ignore it next time.

[Procrastes]

3 hours ago, CapnGebs said:

Regarding bots I find when I play the lower tiers the lower tier you go the more bots you may encounter. I have certainly seen tier 3 matches with maybe a third of the ships being bots

This is true. And given how much the bot AI has started to malfunction lately, the educational benefits of playing those lower tiers have begun to dip. This should be another good incentive for WG to beef up the performance of their bot ships, if the sorry shambles that is current Co-op wasn't reason enough.

[invicta2012]

3 hours ago, HassenderZerhacker said:

thanks for the info, invicta.

so based on the above table, which ship would you pick for AA ? FWIW, I usually escort a BB if I see it's going to be targeted.

Well, other than the fact I've put Konigsberg rather than Karlsruhe (d'oh) the picks are Guissano and De Ruyter. They have decent AA, flak bursts and fighter consumables.