NEW GERMAN BC LINE

[w4r1s0n]

When WG will nerf the new German BC line ?

I'm asking this because we see a BB with HYDRO, HUGE SECONDARIES, with a LOW % fire damage because, why not, SMALL superstructure, with 13.5km TORPS with GOOD ANGLES and for the final, with a RUSSIAN DCP. Can anyone show me a BB beside this one LINE with such kite ? NO. 

Well, for the record they are BATTLECRUISERS, they should be WEAKER than a GK, but they can be BOW IN and no damage at all and most of the times, BOUNCES. We put them on fire, the DOT looks like a CRUISER dot, they can even 1v1 GK and just torp, yeahhh, easy. And the DEVELOPERS can see it when we go to check PLAYERS STATS. We can even see a 38%wr player with a 800PR being a SUPER UNICUM player with the new GERMAN LINE. 

DDs, can no LONGER shoot, because SECONDARIES hit them MORE than the actual MAIN GUNS Because with the SECONDARIES BUFFS, we don't even need to have skill to hit small targets like DDs. So, we can put blind people playing with the new GERMAN BC LINE and be in TOP 3 plus of BASE XP.

by the way, who in the EARTH would like to play with the GK or the NEW BB incoming if none have the same small superstructure, none have TORPS for the close quarters, not even the same STEERING GEARS for dodging tops. 

[LeaveMeAloneCV_Sub]

They are easy to kill if you have functional brain. But sadly most players aren’t good so we can see some nerfs for sure.

[w4r1s0n]

30 minutes ago, LeaveMeAloneCV_Sub said:

They are easy to kill if you have functional brain. But sadly most players aren’t good so we can see some nerfs for sure.

Yes, they are ... But that is for me, or some other players, not for overall.

Nowadays you can see, most of the players in your team with a PR below 1000 and below 40%wr ... THEY CAN'T think.

I'm talking mostly because of that, don't want to have some idiots dying in 3 min against 2 New BC line pushing... 

[Yedwy]

They cant bow in like normal BBs their extremities plate is thinner then normal and they can get chunked through there easily as for when they are nerfed when enough people freexp-ed them / ground them and they are popular enough 

[SodaBubbles]

I love the new German line. Most players have no idea how to play them, charge right in, and die. Great food for actual BBs with good guns and the wit to stay at medium range. I dont play them myself, too easy to cit, health pool too low, and guns too mercurial. 

[lafeel]

44 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

They cant bow in like normal BBs their extremities plate is thinner then normal and they can get chunked through there easily as for when they are nerfed when enough people freexp-ed them / ground them and they are popular enough 

Also it blocks their 15cm secondaries from firing. Can see it in port clear as day that they can't bear straight ahead (and the 105's rarely either)

[Ocsimano18]

I like them how they are, both on the giving and receiving side. If you play them, then you know how to defeat them. I’m more afraid of a Yamato/Kremlin in my cruiser, than of a Schlieffen. With another BB, you can catch them broadside, and when they are nose in then they can be focused down by HE spam. You aren’t obliged to move into their secondary range and get killed, or eat their slow moving torps.

[Lootboxer]

Those are pain to play against when playing dds. They can rush you with stupidly long hydro that prevents torp hits and secondary battery that seems like engaging 2 gunboats at the same time if you are forced to use your guns in the open. All requiring minimum brain.

[arttuperkunas]

I dunno, as a DD player I fking HATE this line. Great concealment means you easily find yourself in the 12,5 km death zone where gunboats can’t shoot due to getting farmed by secondaries abd torp boats get pushed out by hydro. The 12,5 km range combined with the insane volume and accuracy of the secondaries is just nuts, and not in a good way.

[Panocek]

First nerf they will take will be actually destructible secondaries and torp launchers. And I have grounds to believe after some HE tenderizing these ships will lose a lot of their firepower

[Angry_Penguin18]

I wouldn't be surprised if they got a slight nerf - tiers 6-10 appear in the top 10 for BB's  on WoW's numbers albeit with fewer battles. 

 

 

[Camperdown]

Schlieffens secondaries seem a bit too strong and could be nerfed a bit. But not by too much.

[Asatori]

mouse over german BC, press F3, watch german BC melt like a stick of butter in the dessert. 

 

Yes that german BCs looks very strong on paper but their armor is also made of paper.

[ColonelPete]

5 hours ago, Jony_Horta said:

When WG will nerf the new German BC line ?

....

• Most german BC are weaker than GK
• When a Sub gets itself spotted and shot at, then that is its commanders problem, not that Subs can dive and be safe...
• One should avoid close combat with a ship with torps, even Hipper can sink GK that way and she is not a strong ship
• Secondary damage gives less Base XP, to get good results you need to know how to play, most players fail in them

[Adm_Lindemann]

5 hours ago, Jony_Horta said:

When WG will nerf the new German BC line ?

I'm asking this because we see a BB with HYDRO, HUGE SECONDARIES, with a LOW % fire damage because, why not, SMALL superstructure, with 13.5km TORPS with GOOD ANGLES and for the final, with a RUSSIAN DCP. Can anyone show me a BB beside this one LINE with such kite ? NO. 

Well, for the record they are BATTLECRUISERS, they should be WEAKER than a GK, but they can be BOW IN and no damage at all and most of the times, BOUNCES. We put them on fire, the DOT looks like a CRUISER dot, they can even 1v1 GK and just torp, yeahhh, easy. And the DEVELOPERS can see it when we go to check PLAYERS STATS. We can even see a 38%wr player with a 800PR being a SUPER UNICUM player with the new GERMAN LINE. 

DDs, can no LONGER shoot, because SECONDARIES hit them MORE than the actual MAIN GUNS Because with the SECONDARIES BUFFS, we don't even need to have skill to hit small targets like DDs. So, we can put blind people playing with the new GERMAN BC LINE and be in TOP 3 plus of BASE XP.

by the way, who in the EARTH would like to play with the GK or the NEW BB incoming if none have the same small superstructure, none have TORPS for the close quarters, not even the same STEERING GEARS for dodging tops. 

I hope it's a joke or you are trolling.

 

The Schlieffen is not a competitor to GK, even with torps as you can crumble the ship down from the distance.

[arttuperkunas]

55 minutes ago, Asatori said:

mouse over german BC, press F3, watch german BC melt like a stick of butter in the dessert. 

 

Yes that german BCs looks very strong on paper but their armor is also made of paper.

That requires actually having a team. From the POV of a DD player, these ships are annoying, as they just lead to (for DDs) more passive play; they create a 12,5 km exclusion zone for gunboat DDs, and spoil torps for torp DDs. It doesn't mean they're OP (they're prooooobably not?) but they make the game less fun for DDs. Whether that's good or bad, YMMV. I personally dislike it. The secondary range is too long when taking into account the other factors of the secondaries.

[mdjmcnally]

2 hours ago, Lootboxer said:

Those are pain to play against when playing dds. They can rush you with stupidly long hydro that prevents torp hits and secondary battery that seems like engaging 2 gunboats at the same time if you are forced to use your guns in the open. All requiring minimum brain.

The German bc can get there detectibility down to 12.2 and with flags can get secondaries up to 12km.

 

what dd has a 12km detection range.   I know kleber has 10km unmoderated but that still 2km 

 

so shouldn’t be getting forced to gun against them.

 

simply keep guns silent and let the big guns on your team pour fire into the battle cruiser.

 

dd vs dd not changed here which is where would get forced to use guns, presumably because no smoke, (and yes aware that not all DD have smoke) 

 

mini map let’s you know where you are on the map, and where team mates are.

 

we know what ships are on each team, so adapt and hunt the opposing ships, that biggest issue.    Avoiding secondary range in New German BC line isn’t any different to avoiding secondaries on Existing German BB line.

 

if DD players want BB to get in closer then usable secondaries are kind of the price you pay.   Without them then no incentive to get in close and then people complain that BB not getting in close.

 

 

[Panocek]

5 minutes ago, mdjmcnally said:

simply keep guns silent and let the big guns on your team pour fire into the battle cruiser.

That requires teammates to have their screens turned on and mouse/keyboards plugged in, which seems harder than it should be

[Itwastuesday]

Lol. We need a triangle mafia complaintment bingo card at this point.

[Adm_Lindemann]

6 hours ago, Jony_Horta said:

When WG will nerf the new German BC line ?

I'm asking this because we see a BB with HYDRO, HUGE SECONDARIES, with a LOW % fire damage because, why not, SMALL superstructure, with 13.5km TORPS with GOOD ANGLES and for the final, with a RUSSIAN DCP. Can anyone show me a BB beside this one LINE with such kite ? NO. 

Well, for the record they are BATTLECRUISERS, they should be WEAKER than a GK, but they can be BOW IN and no damage at all and most of the times, BOUNCES. We put them on fire, the DOT looks like a CRUISER dot, they can even 1v1 GK and just torp, yeahhh, easy. And the DEVELOPERS can see it when we go to check PLAYERS STATS. We can even see a 38%wr player with a 800PR being a SUPER UNICUM player with the new GERMAN LINE. 

DDs, can no LONGER shoot, because SECONDARIES hit them MORE than the actual MAIN GUNS Because with the SECONDARIES BUFFS, we don't even need to have skill to hit small targets like DDs. So, we can put blind people playing with the new GERMAN BC LINE and be in TOP 3 plus of BASE XP.

by the way, who in the EARTH would like to play with the GK or the NEW BB incoming if none have the same small superstructure, none have TORPS for the close quarters, not even the same STEERING GEARS for dodging tops. 

Yes, one more thing.

 

You feel yourself comfortable in an invisible DD and torp the crap out of everyone else but crying if you can't do that for free.

 

Git gut.

 

Also consider that these ships have limited amount of DCP that is a huge disadvantage.

[arttuperkunas]

2 minutes ago, Adm_Lindemann said:

Yes, one more thing.

 

You feel yourself comfortable in an invisible DD and torp the crap out of everyone else but crying if you can't do that for free.

 

Git gut.

Imagine thinking that DDs are invisible at high tier in a game full of radar, CVs, and other DDs spotting them.

 

Then again, given that you've played a grand total of 300 Dd games, of which a staggering nine are at tier X, I'm sure we can rely on your experience on "gitting gud" in this matter.

[lameoll]

they eat damage from everywhere. they die so fast 

[Cyclops_]

10 hours ago, Lootboxer said:

Those are pain to play against when playing dds. They can rush you with stupidly long hydro that prevents torp hits and secondary battery that seems like engaging 2 gunboats at the same time if you are forced to use your guns in the open. All requiring minimum brain.

Problem is their secondaries and AA have a bug that means you can not knock them out. And they are stupidly OP against DD especially in Ranked at the moment till the bug gets sorted.

[Cyclops_]

1 hour ago, Adm_Lindemann said:

I hope it's a joke or you are trolling.

 

The Schlieffen is not a competitor to GK, even with torps as you can crumble the ship down from the distance.

Utter rubbish, in ranked they are OP, most DD can but even get into torp range before being deleted by the secondaries.

[arttuperkunas]

5 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said:

Problem is their secondaries and AA gave a bug that means you can not knock them out. And they are stupidly OP against DD especially in Ranked at the moment till the bug gets sorted.

Yeah, most of my experience with Schlieffens has been in ranked... Which is arguably not entirely representative, as the maps are smaller, and there are smaller teams so it's harder to burst down the Schlieffen's when they're spotted. So the problem with these ships is exacerbated in ranked.

 

That said, it is ABSURD having 12,5 km no-go zones in ranked maps, that makes certain ships more or less unplayable until the German BCs get taken out. And in many games, the Schlieffens (often plural) are still alive when the clock runs out.