Stalingrad or Bourgogne?

[Lakaedemonios]

I have steel to buy a new ship. Stalingrad or Bourgogne?

[Redcap375]

7 minutes ago, _Kanaris said:

I have steel to buy a new ship. Stalingrad or Bourgogne?

 

May I make a suggestion....

 

How about you get a steel ship a bit further down the tiers first mate?  You have horrendously outstripped your ability at higher tiers at the moment.  And I'm trying to be really kind there.

 

Getting a steel ship at tier 10 will turn you into another steel dead weight for your team so I cant in good judgement advise either ship.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Both are very strong.

Stalingrad has the best guns in the game but is slow clumsy with a huge citadel. positioning is so important in this ship as you cannot reposition underfire.

 

Bourgogne guns are small but it flings a lot of shells with its reload booster and it's very mobile.

 

Bourgogne is the most fun but both are great.

[Lakaedemonios]

1 minute ago, Redcap375 said:

 

May I make a suggestion....

 

How about you get a steel ship a bit further down the tiers first mate?  You have horrendously outstripped your ability at higher tiers at the moment.  And I'm trying to be really kind there.

 

Getting a steel ship at tier 10 will turn you into a dead weight for your team.

u r right ofc. but I have the others I want.

[GarrusBrutus]

Bourgogne.

Still as fun and powerful as when she was released. 

Stalingrad suffered heavily from numerous nerfs and powercreep.

[Redcap375]

13 hours ago, _Kanaris said:

u r right ofc. but I have the others I want.

 

Then if you have too, get the Bourg. 

 

Still strong and can at least get you out of trouble quickly. But she is made of paper and has one of the smallest HPs at tier 10. Brains gone numb but she might still be the lowest actually, but yeah, be careful in her. 

 

Choosing the right ammo for the right enemy is vital In her else your AP will ping off everything angled. 

 

The Grad is still a machine but has been brought to earth with a thud a bit after constant nerfs. She is still strong which is testament to just how broken she was when she first come out.  Too many of them now so nerf bat's came calling. 

[WeGreedy]

27 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Stalingrad has the best guns in the game but is slow with a huge citadel.

Stalingrad is slow?

[doerhoff_damian]

Vor 28 Minuten, Redcap375 sagte:

How about you get a steel ship a bit further down the tiers first mate?

Steel Ships below Tier 10 no longer exist.

The Tier 7 Flint is now a Coal Ship..

Same with the Tier 9 Neustrashimy

And the Tier 9 Black is no longer available.

So that leaves only Tier 10 Steel Ships

He can get lower Tier Ships using Coal but he would not need to waste his steel there

[Miscommunication_dept]

6 minutes ago, WeGreedy said:

Stalingrad is slow?

I meant clumsy.

 

It’s fast but turns like a brick.

[Lootboxer]

B is much better now then S. Always has been more fun.

[Fatal_Ramses]

Grind point of view

 

Stalingrad, if you want a coop ship thats mainguns easily deliver +150k dmg games.

 

Bourbon gets nice dmg and ribbon numbers.

[Seraphice]

In my eyes Bourgogne is a lot of fun, and has been extremely consistent throughout all the changes that have happened. Stalingrad did not manage to evade those as well.
Stalingrad lost Fire Prevention, which was an essential part of her kit previously, additionally her radar was nerfed as well. She is not bad by any means, but in the end bourgogne is just a lot more fun, while still being on the very strong side.

 

Reload booster, speedboost, 12 quick reloading guns is great. You can choose to load HE and HE spam all game, but it is not the optimal playstyle. Finding the right angles with your insane speed and good concealment and using your AP with reload booster is extremely devastating. Though she is not that easy to play.

Not that Stalin is particularly easy either, especially since she lost fire prevention, as going nose in is pretty much a death sentence in a lot of cases.

~Sera

[Itwastuesday]

Whichever you feel like. I got Bourg since I was already sick of the sit around gameplay with Petro. But I might as well stick to Republique and not really miss Bourg all that much.

[ReapingKnight]

Only recently we found out that Incomparable is coming for Steel so that could be another option if you're interested.

[Lakaedemonios]

many thanks to all of u. I 'll go for Bourgogne.

[SodaBubbles]

Borg is a ton more fun, but you can play Stalin in competitive modes like Ranked and Clan Battles. Despite the nerfs, Stalin is still pretty broken. 

 

Borg has the speed to get into trouble, but lacks the armor to take it -- her HP pool is too small for T10, which is why though you see her a lot in Ranked, she's not the best choice for Ranked. She's a blast in coop, with the speed boost it is easy for her to get into position to get damage.

[XDukenukemX]

2 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Borg is a ton more fun, but you can play Stalin in competitive modes like Ranked and Clan Battles. Despite the nerfs, Stalin is still pretty broken. 

 

Borg has the speed to get into trouble, but lacks the armor to take it -- her HP pool is too small for T10, which is why though you see her a lot in Ranked, she's not the best choice for Ranked. She's a blast in coop, with the speed boost it is easy for her to get into position to get damage.

which level of "Ranked" are we talking about?

Before Bourg I had usually Bronze TX ranked because the qualifiers were uncarriable and saving stars is not something a lone BB can manage consistantly (or what I thought)

With Bourg I have R1 Silver (that i never had in anything before) just because how good this ship is. when I have most games with 100k+dmg, saving stars is easy.

I have 64.5% winrate in bourg in ranked in 93 games, something only matched with 60% for Thunderer, that is 0 fun in comparison to bourg.

 

for me Bourgogne is very fun and very good in ranked (at least until R1S, not sure for gold)

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

17 hours ago, _Kanaris said:

I have steel to buy a new ship. Stalingrad or Bourgogne?

I don't have either but want both. I think bort are pretty OP so I guess its down to what class/playstyle you prefer. I think I will go for Bourgogne myself since I love Jean Bart and B seems to just be a better version of that.

[Gvozdika]

I'd actually vote Stalingrad personally but I'm weird. 

 

- Takes up a cruiser slot while easily being one of the strongest T10 cruisers in the game. I'd argue THE strongest cruiser at top tier in terms of firepower and only pipped by Petro for durability. 

- Has additional utility in terms of radar (Bias 12km radar with a decent duration no less). 

- Excellent gunnery quirks (fast and flat shell arcs) that makes tackling even small fast moving targets like DDs quite easy.

- Bow-in or steeply angled - VERY hard to root out of a good defensive position. 

- Excellent ability to snap off opportunistic shots at anything in range (Borg requires having the correct ammo loaded for the shot/target in question - Balansgrad is mostly firing AP at anything/everything short of a bow camping BB.

- Accuracy is consistent and the short fuse shells make for consistent damage - if you shoot straight you will hit. If you hit it will hurt them.

 

Bear in mind I don't have the Bourgogne but do have the Stalingrad. 

 

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[SodaBubbles]

7 hours ago, XDukenukemX said:

which level of "Ranked" are we talking about?

Before Bourg I had usually Bronze TX ranked because the qualifiers were uncarriable and saving stars is not something a lone BB can manage consistantly (or what I thought)

With Bourg I have R1 Silver (that i never had in anything before) just because how good this ship is. when I have most games with 100k+dmg, saving stars is easy.

I have 64.5% winrate in bourg in ranked in 93 games, something only matched with 60% for Thunderer, that is 0 fun in comparison to bourg.

 

for me Bourgogne is very fun and very good in ranked (at least until R1S, not sure for gold)

Yes, there is always someone who does well even when their vehicle is unsuited for the mode. That is just the way it is. Most of the Borgs I have met in Ranked have been useless.

 

[VedranSeaWolf359]

Bourgogne I have lot of fun with him in ranked 

[Trench4nt]

Vor 11 Stunden, SodaBubbles sagte:

Yes, there is always someone who does well even when their vehicle is unsuited for the mode. That is just the way it is. Most of the Borgs I have met in Ranked have been useless.

 

Bourgogne in ranked works particularly well when you can flank without being blocked (by a heavy cruiser). 

She can also work on maps with smaller islands where you try to infight enemy ships (yes, including DDs!).

She can brawl, but it is very situational. 

 

Bourgogne typically does not work (in Ranked!) when you play her like a long range HE spammer waiting for the chance to move in. Her advantage is her agility. Hence, you should always try to play her aggressively. 

 

Stalingrad's playstyle on the other hand does not differ that much from random. You try to act passively at the beginning, moving slowly towards the objectives and try to punish enemy ships with your AP. 

 

Both ships are AP only shooters due to increased opportunity/switching costs when having loaded the wrong ammo.

 

Of course, this is my personal opinion. 

 

I own both ships but it took me some time to get familiar with them (Stalingrad was a bit easier.)

A very interesting fun fact is that Bourgogne is the battleship where I am averaging the highest damage numbers, one of the highest frag rates and a WR close to 60%, while my PR is only average. In that sense, the ship is unique among all my Battleships.

 

 

 

[Ocsimano18]

I have both of them. I acquired Bourgogne first, and Stalingrad recently. Both of them are excellent ships, if I had to choose, I’d keep the Stalingrad, as her guns are more unique, something you should have experienced in the game. Bourgogne is an Alsace with reload booster, and more precise guns. I love the Alsace, and reload booster is fun, but she’s a less unique experience.

[WeGreedy]

7 hours ago, Trench4nt said:

A very interesting fun fact is that Bourgogne is the battleship where I am averaging the highest damage numbers, one of the highest frag rates and a WR close to 60%, while my PR is only average. In that sense, the ship is unique among all my Battleships.

It isn't that strange if you consider how PR works.

[Trench4nt]

Vor 2 Stunden, WeGreedy sagte:

It isn't that strange if you consider how PR works.

 

Well, it shows you how much influence the player base has on a ship. And when looking at the stats, it seems that Bourgogne has the highest skilled playerbase in the game. Actually, it is the only BB in the game (which exists a sufficient amount of time, so excluding Schlieffen) where your PR is negatively influenced when you destroy only one ship.

 

It does make sense, because it is a steel ship (small player pool) and because good players tend do chose good ships. 

Maybe Bourgogne is the example why you should not look too accurately at the PR.