Best ship for co-op - what's yours?

[Axilian_1]

Since I was tinkering around I thought I'd have a look at my stats in co-op for a laugh  and  saw some very distinct bias in my stats so I was wondering if it carried over to everyone else

 

so

 

What's everyone's best ship in Co-op   with at least 50 games played on that ship ( to remove bias and average things out)

 

I my case ( and pretty predictably imho since I tend to that sort of gameplay ) it's the Minotaur

 

Average base xp per match  = 728 

 

My average xp overall in co-op over 10000 battles (including everything from tier 1 to 10 ) is  456xp 

 

Funnily enough my highest xp in a co-op match isn't on the minotaur or as I would have expected (tier X or premium) but i on the Leander (1275xp) 

 

Worst ship for me is the Mikasa (fun ship to potter around in but co-op monster it is not)

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

Anything fast with fast firing guns and with torpedos will do, cruisers, destroyers. Coop is all about pushing in aggressively, dealing damage  before anyone else can. BBs mostly do not get a very good share.

[Axilian_1]

13 minutes ago, Von_Pruss said:

Anything fast with fast firing guns and with torpedos will do, cruisers, destroyers. Coop is all about pushing in aggressively, dealing damage  before anyone else can. BBs mostly do not get a very good share.

That's what i thought as well - but on checking my stats my next highest XP ships (highest single match) were the Marco Polo (1109xp)  + Roma(1157xp)  (however it does appear that BBs are far most situational (my average score in both is only in the ~450 ish range (50+ battle played on each) 

[Angry_Penguin18]

Co-op ends too quickly for me, the bots offer no challenge so I only really use it for knocking off snowflakes and the like

[Bigruss42]

Highest average XP = 718 in Yoshino

Highest XP in 1 game 1710 Yoshino

Average overall XP score in Co-op 607

 

 

[Verblonde]

39 minutes ago, Axilian_1 said:

What's everyone's best ship in Co-op   with at least 50 games played on that ship ( to remove bias and average things out)

The 50 games thing knocks a lot of mine out of consideration: I have far too many ships, and - in WOWS terms - I'm a bit of a slapper; I'll play Coop in anything...

 

In terms of pure average xp, my best appears to be Marceau, which makes sense - she's fairly new, so doesn't have the drag of my 'learning to play' numbers, and she's one of the 'perfect' Coop ships - fast, no shortage of torps, and enough dakka to be useful.

[johncl]

I could only ever play coop to get a feel for a ship two -three round then in to random  ...However Coop could be good if WEEGEE used there 3 brain cells

[MikHausen]

9 minutes ago, Bigruss42 said:

Highest average XP = 718 in Yoshino

Highest XP in 1 game 1710 Yoshino

Average overall XP score in Co-op 607

 

 

Reminds me of my best ever co-op game. All the stars aligned, and I managed 347,506 hp of damage in a Yoshino. For some weird reason, I do good in the few co-op games I've played in it (10).

 

As for favourites, Okhotnik is a blast. The worst class by far is CV's. Games are usually over before you're getting going. My stats in co-op are terrible.

[Aethervoxx]

1 hour ago, Axilian_1 said:

What's everyone's best ship in Co-op   with at least 50 games played on that ship 

I don't know & I certainly don't care.

I barely play kindergarten mode since it's so easy to maintain a high 90% WR (like over 97%).

I am aware that War Failing caters to self-flagellating Egos that require kindergarten mode to make themselves think they can play well.

[Marblehead_1]

If I could list best ships for this mode it will be as follows: From DD's Paolo Emilio, Kleber, Marceau, Hayate, Shimakaze, Khabarovsk, Benham, Błyskawica, Smaland, Okhotnik, Aigle as fast destroyer with nice guns and high alpha of torpedoes is best tool. Smaland and Błyskawica due to being visited by me few years ago. Name other TX which you can also visit in real life beyond Salem? 

Cruisers Yoshino, Napoli, Des Moines, Colbert, Smoleńsk, Perth, Atlanta, Weimar, Huang He ( last four for scenarios rather )

BB's Bourgogne, Georgia build for secondary, Jean Bart with rest of French fast battleships, Schliffen and DKM BB's due to secondary

CV's German carriers due to secondary and maybe Russian due to fast airstrikes, otherwise IMO this class is frustrating to play on coop.

 

Highest average XP in any ship = 739 in Bourgogne ( probably )

Highest XP in 1 game 1901 in Bourgogne

Average overall XP score in Co-op 568 ( played a lot lower tiers and carriers which are not as XP efficent )

Highest overall dmg in one battle = 342 241 in Bourgogne

Highest number of frags in single Coop = 7 in Bourgogne ( most such numbers comes from one battle when stars aligned, MM and RNG blessed and Charles de Gaulle guided the shots )

[lameoll]

bourgogne citadel farmer :D 

[Bigruss42]

20 minutes ago, MikHausen said:

Reminds me of my best ever co-op game. All the stars aligned, and I managed 347,506 hp of damage in a Yoshino. For some weird reason, I do good in the few co-op games I've played in it (10).

 

As for favourites, Okhotnik is a blast. The worst class by far is CV's. Games are usually over before you're getting going. My stats in co-op are terrible.

Yes when everything just falls just right you can get some really good results.

Beat me there mine was 314,362 hp

Okhotnik seems a really fun ship must have a few more games in it.314,362314,362314,362314,362

[NewHorizons_1]

No surprise as others have said - high DPM cruisers tend to be fun in co-op.

Minotaur, Des Moines, Atlanta, Cleveland or cruisers with a solid torp loadout like Nurnburg.

Strangely though my highest PR contains a few mid-tier IJN torp boats, which is kinda surprising as I never thought I did that well with them, so DD experts could have a riot with them.

The faster BBs can do well in co-op. Montana *, GK & FdG tend to produce fairly reliable results for me. For some reason Yamato seems to be in there - a ship that I've never really felt "at home" in.

Slow BBs struggle - I'm looking at you Colorado & Kansas - as the match is over before they get to do anything useful.

Secondary BBs (any mid/high tier German) or Georgia (with its speed and those guns) can also be fun. Scharnhorst is an old favourite with the advantage of good manoeuvrability and torps.

Super-cruisers and the heavier CAs seem to be a mixed bag - I like Alaska ** & Agir, but I find Petro & Moskva a bit disappointing even though they are very good ships. Still yet to get Napoli to work as well.

Low tier Russian DDs with their fast reloading torp launchers were hilarious.

 

20 hours ago, MikHausen said:

The worst class by far is CV's. Games are usually over before you're getting going. My stats in co-op are terrible.

So it's not just me then.

 

* Max damage record for me was 338k in Montana with Des Moines coming in 2nd at 295k and Harugamo 3rd at 276k - another high RoF beastie that's fun in co-op. T6 Hatsuharu gets an honorable mention at 204k.

** Max frags record of 7 is tied between Alaska, Bismarck & Scharnhorst. T3 Derzki gets an honorable mention with 6 kills.

     Edit: Make that Nurnburg too.

[KamiKatze_Streamer]

kii or roma  + Kobayashi 

[BielayaSmert]

Paolo Emilio by far

[Gnirf]

Destroyers in general and a surprise Blyskawica at the top PR 4026 100% WR on 194 battles. Of the 13 highest ships 12 are destroyers. Most battles is Jean Bart 735 (99,73%).

I use coop for missions and it is a cheap alternative to get captain XP when doing other things, I often play at the same time as I do other things like talking to friends over the phone or eating.

If it is high XP like now 200% for 1st win playing coop on premiums is effective as the difference between win and loss is high. Never use flags in coop. 

 

Those xP that you state is inflated by premium it is no way you can get those numbers in base XP on average over large number of battles.

I have reached over 1000 base XP maybe 8-10 times though I have no exact record, just a few screenshots of some of them. It is more or less only possible with a large number of bots as otherwise the games are over to quick, hence that DDs is preferable open water slow firing cruisers worst (I do not count CVs as they are even worse but I do not play them much, only for the team in the naval battles more or less).

 

[Procrastes]

The Kléber is my main Co-op ship, for the same reasons given by Captain @Von_Pruss in post #2 above.

 

The Kléber is faster than just about anything else in the game, she has long range rail guns with excellent HE and AP stats, and she carries a thoroughly vicious torpedo armament. She can yolo anything.

 

Unfortunately, I have still not come even close to mastering her enough to make anything but a mess when I play her in Randoms. So Co-op it is, for now at least.

[Peroidas]

Minotaur (though you will lose credits on all but the best battles even with premium time), Marceau, Georgia, Thunderer

 

Once got 1300 bXP, 7 kills and 70 plane kills on Minotaur

[Shirakami_Kon]

Mainz for me. 12 guns, 6 seconds reload, 150 mm, but German pen, so it's still good, actually impressive AP for the caliber if you get a broadside, German hydro to foolproof your yolos against torpedo boats and while in Randoms would be virtually unusable because of only being 6 km range, Mainz has the same torpedo setup as Hindenburg. Meaning 8 torpedos on each side of the ship on 4x4 launchers for the rushes you'll be doing anyway in co-op.

 

Mainz can already be a great ship in randoms in good hands, for how unable to do anything against you bots in co-op are a Mainz rush is just insane.

[Axilian_1]

13 hours ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

No surprise as others have said - high DPM cruisers tend to be fun in co-op.

Minotaur, Des Moines, Atlanta, Cleveland or cruisers with a solid torp loadout like Nurnburg.

Strangely though my highest PR contains a few mid-tier IJN torp boats, which is kinda surprising as I never thought I did that well with them, so DD experts could have a riot with them.

The faster BBs can do well in co-op. Montana *, GK & FdG tend to produce fairly reliable results for me. For some reason Yamato seems to be in there - a ship that I've never really felt "at home" in.

Slow BBs struggle - I'm looking at you Colorado & Kansas - as the match is over before they get to do anything useful.

Secondary BBs (any mid/high tier German) or Georgia (with its speed and those guns) can also be fun. Scharnhorst is an old favourite with the advantage of good manoeuvrability and torps.

Super-cruisers and the heavier CAs seem to be a mixed bag - I like Alaska ** & Agir, but I find Petro & Moskva a bit disappointing even though they are very good ships. Still yet to get Napoli to work as well.

Low tier Russian DDs with their fast reloading torp launchers were hilarious.

 

So it's not just me then.

 

* Max damage record for me was 338k in Montana with Des Moines coming in 2nd at 295k and Harugamo 3rd at 276k - another high RoF beastie that's fun in co-op. T6 Hatsuharu gets an honorable mention at 204k.

** Max frags record of 7 is tied between Alaska, Bismarck & Scharnhorst. T3 Derzki gets an honorable mention with 6 kills.

 Yep I think I pretty much agree with that

 

it almost seems the order is in reverse to what you'd rank in randoms 

 Worse class in co-op - CV's (I don't include subs because they aren't finished ) but probably the most influential in randoms (when played well)   - though slow BBs are there as well as being bad performers (I found the best way to up the xp in coop  is load AP and concentrate on BBs as soon as they get in range) 

Best class in co-op - probably high DPM light cruisers - which appear to get fairly poor returns in randoms for most ppl 

 

Also  having looked at my own co-op stats - I don't think the average XP score over multiple ships actually means a lot as it's clear that  the lower tiers get a lot lower base xp - so if you play a lot of lower tier co-ops -  your average score on all ships will be a lot lower (same goes in reverse if you play premiums in preference as  they tend to be skewed upwards)

 

So really you can only compare ship to ship by type in the same tier and by the same rating (silver ships, premium etc) 

 

 

Finally I'm fortunately to have some  historical records of my CO-OP stats and although it does look like the general ship ranking do play out to some extent over time, there does appear to be a definite breaking point as it definitely appears that recently the discrepancy between ship class performance  in coop has definitely widened - slow BBs now perform way worse than before and DDs way better 

This imho is a direct result of the BOT AI changes (patch 10.6 for sure features) and how badly this has unbalanced things (plus it proves how absolutely shite WG's QA are) 

[WorthyOpponent]

Marceau, quite obviously. It's fast, it has good guns and it has torps. What else would anyone need?

[PyroA]

Maybe WG can make a 9 player vs 12 bots co~op. 

 

I don't really play co~op unless its some missions that I need to complete. 

 

But I have notice, that in lower Tiers, when you take a BB out you barely get a salvo off, and then its all over. DDs already torped every thing.

 

Just my 2 cents worth. Might also be more challenging and a bit more fun. 

[NewHorizons_1]

1 minute ago, WorthyOpponent said:

Marceau, quite obviously. It's fast, it has good guns and it has torps. What else would anyone need?

Although I don't have these I'd agree that high tier French DDs (and Benham) do well with yolo'ing in co-op - it's always a laugh to see them go in all guns/torps blazing.

Only problem is there's nowt left for me to shoot.

[WorthyOpponent]

1 minute ago, NewHorizons_1 said:

Although I don't have these I'd agree that high tier French DDs (and Benham) do well with yolo'ing in co-op - it's always a laugh to see them go in all guns/torps blazing.

Only problem is there's nowt left for me to shoot.

Yep. I just use Kléber and Marceau when I have a "deal X damage" or " Get X destroyed/citadel ribbons" anyway. French DD guns are more than enough to destroy cruiser bots on short ranges when you yolo. 

[SodaBubbles]

Anything with fast guns and torpedoes -- the German cruisers, the French cruisers, Tirpitz and the German BCs.