Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #1 Posted January 1, 2022 So soon I will have enough gold to buy another ship. I am a DD main, but also play DD support cruisers. I like Plymouth. I know Belfast 43 is the poor cousin of the T7 ship. In your opinion, is B 43 a good ship to buy? If not, which one currently available would you prefer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,187 battles Report post #2 Posted January 1, 2022 It's ok ship. I have good results in it, 4th place on the server in terms of PR. Needs to be played carefully. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #3 Posted January 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: It's ok ship. I have good results in it, Needs to be played carefully. I second it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 3,002 posts 10,002 battles Report post #4 Posted January 1, 2022 Looking at its stats it probably has a pretty high skill floor Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #5 Posted January 1, 2022 But like most tier 7, suffers heavily when uptiered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MMI-C] stefanorgano Players 149 posts 9,873 battles Report post #6 Posted January 1, 2022 15 minutes ago, Panocek said: But like most tier 7, suffers heavily when uptiered. It's T8. So it suffers uptiering even more. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MMI-C] stefanorgano Players 149 posts 9,873 battles Report post #7 Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Camperdown said: If not, which one currently available you prefer? Wichita is not bad. You have Balti armor scheme, stealth radar and improved AP angles (not super heavy though) with good shell velocity, and you are THE fastest American cruiser on the market. If you know Balti, that could be very nice. Also you should consider the ULTIMATE DD support cruiser... Tiger '59 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #8 Posted January 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, stefanorgano said: It's T8. So it suffers uptiering even more. I thought Lidlfast was at the same tier as OGfast Then I stand corrected. Still, relatively short ranged tier 8 cruiser is still not going to have fun when uptiered hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,187 battles Report post #9 Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, stefanorgano said: It's T8. So it suffers uptiering even more. But being T8 with the IFHE can pen the 32mm... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,187 battles Report post #10 Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Yedwy said: I second it ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] LeSnoet [STARS] Beta Tester 189 posts 20,599 battles Report post #11 Posted January 1, 2022 Atago. Best premium cruiser for its class. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #12 Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, MacArthur92 said: ? I meant I second your oppinion, not secong guess it m8... ^^ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #13 Posted January 1, 2022 1 hour ago, Yedwy said: I meant I second your oppinion, not secong guess it m8... ^^ The evils of an unclear pronoun/antecedent Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] KillStealBoss Players 12,123 posts 62,187 battles Report post #14 Posted January 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Yedwy said: I meant I second your oppinion, not secong guess it m8... ^^ Ah ok I thought you got the second place, I went to check and was confused. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #15 Posted January 1, 2022 17 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said: Ah ok I thought you got the second place, I went to check and was confused. That’s why i delted the list part from the quote in the first place ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[23E] AdmiralGreenTea Players 9 posts 701 battles Report post #16 Posted January 1, 2022 7 hours ago, LeSnoet said: Atago. Best premium cruiser for its class. Totally agree, but it’s a very difficult ship to play. The play style is very different from DDs and Belfast though, it’s all about stealth and kiting. Its armour scheme makes Atago very unforgiving so even a little mistake can send you directly back to harbour It probably better to grind the IJN cruiser line first to make sure one enjoys that play style ^^ But once familiar with it and with the right build, Atago is just pure joy. Spamming HE while remaining undetected… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEFR] SolanumTuberosumRex Players 799 posts Report post #17 Posted January 1, 2022 Mainz is a great DD support ship. Fast deadly HE for DD's at range, excellent hydro. She's not all that manoeuvrable but at range it's not a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #18 Posted January 2, 2022 Thanks for all your replies. I have the impression that T8-9 is just a bad place for cruisers to be. Most of them can be blapped on sight by 16 or 18" gunned BBs from across the map. And the few that can't are mostly big RU phantasy cruisers that are uninteresting to play. As a result you are forced into very defensive gameplay, or you have to accept that every other game some '666_Sniper' in his Mushi sends you back to port early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[23E] AdmiralGreenTea Players 9 posts 701 battles Report post #19 Posted January 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Camperdown said: Thanks for all your replies. I have the impression that T8-9 is just a bad place for cruisers to be. Most of them can be blapped on sight by 16 or 18" gunned BBs from across the map. And the few that can't are mostly big RU phantasy cruisers that are uninteresting to play. As a result you are forced into very defensive gameplay, or you have to accept that every other game some '666_Sniper' in his Mushi sends you back to port early. This is pretty much it, T8-9 cruiser gameplay is quite delicate to apprehend. Show a little bit too much broadside and you’re back to port, angle your armour and you’ll « only » lose 20% of your health. German cruisers tend to have slightly better armour but you definitely can’t play them as battleships. In terms of concealment and mobility, cruisers are bested by destroyers. In terms of firepower and protection, they’re bested by battleships. It’s even more visible in T8 and 9, especially with T8-9-10 battleship guns. However, the gameplay doesn’t have to be defensive; kiting, hit and run also work well ^^ If you’re playing DD support though, you’ll definitely want a cruiser with smoke and good HE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MMI-C] stefanorgano Players 149 posts 9,873 battles Report post #20 Posted January 2, 2022 13 hours ago, AdmiralGreenTea said: Its armour scheme makes Atago very unforgiving Well, yes and no. Huge citadel=easily blapped if you give sides (which you never should if you play Atago correctly) but 32mm huge torpedo bulges and unique 41mm deck plating will quite often troll many a BB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[23E] AdmiralGreenTea Players 9 posts 701 battles Report post #21 Posted January 2, 2022 That’s what I meant, sorry for the misunderstanding ^^ If you make any mistake with Atago, it won’t forgive you but if you don’t make any… You’ll have a hell lot of fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MUNCH] scarecrowbi Players 64 posts 11,975 battles Report post #22 Posted January 3, 2022 Belfast 43 can be a fun ship to play, the ship does suffer from being a light cruiser = no armour, so unless your fairly proficient at a light cruiser line I would recommend you get some experience under your belt before taking her out for a spin, besides that the radar can be fairly useful in certain use case situations and the short duration smoke can be both a blessing and a curse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #23 Posted January 3, 2022 Don't (since you are asking). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[STARS] LeSnoet [STARS] Beta Tester 189 posts 20,599 battles Report post #24 Posted January 3, 2022 20 hours ago, stefanorgano said: Well, yes and no. Huge citadel=easily blapped if you give sides (which you never should if you play Atago correctly) but 32mm huge torpedo bulges and unique 41mm deck plating will quite often troll many a BB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #25 Posted January 3, 2022 21 hours ago, stefanorgano said: Well, yes and no. Huge citadel=easily blapped if you give sides (which you never should if you play Atago correctly) but 32mm huge torpedo bulges and unique 41mm deck plating will quite often troll many a BB Except she has 15km range and you have to turn within blap range of most BB/BC/SC at least 5 times during an average match so you can go from pushing to kiting as you wont be able to follow the target out just by firing at the longer range as you dont have it… Only other option is island cover but nowadys having an island you can actually use for that and enemies to shoot from said cover is a jackpot incidence, and That’s provided somebody bothers to spot them in the first place… Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
