World of Warships hacker could face 5 years in jail

[Chaoskraehe]

I reported a website that said that it sells cheats for WoWs. I got a nice reply and that they will investigate it. Not a word that there are no cheats in the game from the support. 

[Animalul2012]

Dudes wows/wot/wowp cheats are pathetic. Meanwhile in counter strike and especially 1.6:laser eyes, deagles trough 2 walls, kills entire enemy team before they leave the spawn, camps T base has the bomb waits for all his teammates to die 1v9 has deagle and ak proceeds to B shots the ak in the sky to make sound....Terrorists win.  Give us a cheat that has all the enemies detected on the minimap, no reload on guns,always unseen,goes 100 knots, will detonate anything if 1 shells connects these kinds of actual cheats.

 

[ColonelPete]

3 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

WG claim they got damaged by things they have always denied to exist? I don't know if this is hypocritical or pathetic.

 

2 hours ago, RigorMortis76 said:

Obviously the damage must far outweigh the negative publicity that this causes for Wargaming. For years they kept repeating the mantra that aimbots and cheats were impossible because all data was stored on their server side. Now they prosecute this hacker (how many are still out there??). So basically it all was a blatant lie of Wargaming because this game proved very hackable. They say the hacker caused 9 million usd in damages to Wargaming. But dear Wargaming, it is us, the players, who were affected most negatively.

 

How are you, Wargaming, going to compensate us, the players who are affected most.

How Wargaming?

Apart from the fact that they never denied that.

"Aim Bots" or better "aiming help" do not require a hack of the WoWs server. They run on the players computer and work worse than the aim of a good player.

The asia server regularly posts numbers of people getting banned using forbidden mods and bots.

https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/41475-bot-and-mod-account-sanction-report/

 

[Wulf_Ace]

try playing call of duty,EVERY game is a cheater or hacker. Here in wows at least I really dont see them that much, maybe 1 per week

[Psychological_Warfare]

4 hours ago, lilgoth said:

dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed 

It is "impossible" to hack in WoWs since the calculations are all made on the server side and NOT on the client side - you only get the results and your client displays the game accordingly. If you try to tell your game client to do something that does not match what the server calculated, it simply gets rejected. You would have to take over the whole server system of your playing region to change that - and you would SOMEHOW have to rewrite the code so that only your account would be calculated differently or everyone would be affected by the changes the hacker makes. All of that while simultaneously avoid all detection. THAT would be a hack.

 

Thats not shills, thats the truth. I think you don't understand the difference between a mod, a cheat and a hack but you talk like you do.

 

I haven't seen any credible player ever saying that its impossible to gain unfair advantages, only bad players that take things way out of context and construct some made up excuse to not having to cope with them being bad.

 

What you "can" do is show stuff on the client side that is normally not meant to be visible, f.e. projected shell landing area, the pathway of spotted torps (both of which you can use to dodge way more efficient) and a projection of the target you shoot at combined with your shell travel time - it shows where the ship will be when your shells land if it does not change course.

All of that is info that your local game client gets from the server and that is accessible by fraudulent modding of the game client. NOT the actual game mechanics behind it.

 

[lovelacebeer]

How I wish I could get access to the court log for that trial, it would be very enlightening as I think WGs legal team might say very different things to their CMs.

[SV_Kompresor]

1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said:

try playing call of duty,EVERY game is a cheater or hacker. Here in wows at least I really dont see them that much, maybe 1 per week

One per week. You recognise 1 cheater per week? Yeah I'm calling BS on that.

 

[Figment]

4 hours ago, MaxGct said:

It's hard to know the context to this and how much this actually effected the game. 

 

I would like to think that cheating/hacks/mods are a very small, negligible amount of the player base, if any.

 

I am not a programmer but would think why would someone want to pay money to use a hack?:

 

1) I would assume that every update you would need a new one or something

2) No guarantee the money you pay will get you what you want, it works and you not being scammed. In addition these guys have your details.

3) The risk of WG catching you - im pretty sure they are aware of mods. and have anti-cheating software and its quite easy to trace and give a player a warning/ban.

4) Risking a perfectly good account being banned

5) And most obviously, whats the point? What enjoyment do you get with hacks, the fun of this game is learning how ships working and playing normally with everyone else.

 

Basically the upside seems so small for so much downside.

 

I personally haven't come across any suspicious behaviour over my 1000's of battles, and nobody I know that has. Are there any even accounts with unrealistically high win %'s that would indicate cheating?

The upside in a grind game is obvious: less time investment to reach higher ranks.

 

Anti-cheat software is fallible, especially when it isn't sure what to look for in new cheats.

 

Players who cheat do not necessarily have a high WR, more likely they have a low WR as their bots likely do not make logical team cooperative choices. They'd be more likely to have an unreasonable amount of matches with low to medium exp gain in a short period of time to optimize exp gains per day.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 6 Stunden, ColonelPete sagte:

Apart from the fact that they never denied that.

They have denied CLAWS to be bots for years.

[Yedwy]

How can this be? Surely the defense attorney of this guy has an o/s case here as WG repeatedly stated there is no cheating in their game as everything is handled server wise… 

[_3856794_561538473_]

11 hours ago, illy said:

they should employ the guy to make it harder for people to exploit or use cheats in their games, makes sense to me

Ιt is obvious that this is an industrial espionage.Industrial espionage is the illegal and unethical theft of business trade secrets for use by a competitor to achieve a competitive advantage. It is often done by an insider or an employee who gains employment for the express purpose of spying and stealing information for a competitor.

However, if the confidential person, namely the official, fails miserably in the assignment order and is arrested,
then the company denies any involvement in espionage and leaves the employee at the mercy of justice ....
(because it is impossible to destroy the name and prestige of the company).

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 24 Minuten, FREE_DEMO_N_FEMALE sagte:

Industrial espionage is the illegal and unethical theft of business trade secrets for use by a competitor to achieve a competitive advantage.

I fail to see how anybody would achieve a competitive advantage by stealing stuff from WG, who have been doing pretty much everything wrong in recent years and thereby providing every possible advantage all by themselves.

[AgarwaenME]

13 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

I have advised WG of suspicious activities three times before and three times they ignored me... I even messaged people using the forum to never have received a reply.

 

They never even bothered to read it.... 

 

 

 

 

"some ship happened to turn and this is suspicious!!"

 

No, just because there are cheats that could work within the mechanics of the game, doesn't mean there's cheats that literally require them to have hacked into the server to monitor specific games (out of literally thousands of concurrent games) for specific events in those games.

 

And your ticket here proves it.

 

This, again, reminds me of CBT, and the ACTUAL allowed aimbot, and how people would comment on how it was so "obvious" it just had been removed (when it hadn't) or that it was so obvious people were using it (after it had been disabled).

[AgarwaenME]

11 hours ago, Chaoskraehe said:

I reported a website that said that it sells cheats for WoWs. I got a nice reply and that they will investigate it. Not a word that there are no cheats in the game from the support. 

you do realise most websites selling "cheats" only sell you scams right?

[Johnny_Moneto]

Vor 13 Stunden, BOZO6464 sagte:

... everyone has started quitting the game ...

Well, as long as they never finish quitting the game WG won't mind. That piece of a sentence is a gem.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 8 Stunden, Figment sagte:

Players who cheat do not necessarily have a high WR, more likely they have a low WR as their bots likely do not make logical team cooperative choices. They'd be more likely to have an unreasonable amount of matches with low to medium exp gain in a short period of time to optimize exp gains per day.

And this is how a coop botter's account looks like (his 8 most "played" ships all happen to be 2ndary spammers):

[Wulf_Ace]

10 hours ago, SV_Kompresor said:

One per week. You recognise 1 cheater per week? Yeah I'm calling BS on that.

 

I said MAYBE i dont know how to recognize them, i can maybe see a bot sailing straight and thats it.

[ihan_paras_nimi]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

And this is how a coop botter's account looks like (his 8 most "played" ships all happen to be 2ndary spammers):

WG should take a good and hard look on themselves. What aspect of the game makes the coop botting a viable solution.

Hint: Five letter word. Starts with G and ends with D. Rhymes with "Blind".

Or perhaps that is a disabled person and not a bot. One of those guys that were, in the spirit of Xmas and giving something back, the target audience of the Puerto Rico event.

[SnipingCat]

Thread has been reopened and your free to discuss again.
Also, a couple of posts where removed for going straight into politics.

[tocqueville8]

17 hours ago, Migantium_Mashum said:

 

Honestly, it sounds like that Gneisenau simply had Priority Target and used some good ole WASD.

I remember a Soyuz game on Warrior's Path when I dodged EVERY launch by the enemy DD because I more or less timed his reload, and probably used PT as well.

After the rework, I've hardly specced PT on any BB anymore, so I often try to go straight at the DD and thread the needle, but moving erratically is probably a better tactic.

 

I wouldn't report anything that I'm capable of doing myself just by paying attention and being creative.

 

I only use some approved mods, and the most useful ones I find to be the points/timer indicator, as well as the "ship list" that tells me the remaining health pools. They both help making sound strategic choices. In terms of aiming and dodging, I'm afraid it's pretty black-and-white: either there are no cheats, or someone's cheating every other salvo/launch, and I'm just not paranoid enough to believe that.

 

[ColonelPete]

6 hours ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

They have denied CLAWS to be bots for years.

Which is a completly different matter.

 

And even if WG agreed, they do not need to tell you.

[HansRoaming]

17 hours ago, RigorMortis76 said:

Kirsanov allegedly created several programs, ranging from basic auto-aim scripts to fully autonomous bots. The aim hacks allowed players to automatically lock on to targets and maintain 100% accuracy and always hit critical parts of the enemy, while the bots could play the entire game without requiring any input from the user. This allowed cheaters to ‘farm’ the game for in-game currency and experience by simply launching it and keeping it running in the background while doing other things.

Can they hire him to write the AI for bots in Coop and create scenarios instead?

[lameoll]

17 hours ago, lilgoth said:

that no aimbots or cheats exis

because aimbots dont excist.

 

If u see shells change trajectory radically midair towards your ship give me a call.

 

What they are talking about is aim assist and bots

and aim assist just shows where to aim to hit the ship center mass. 

 

and im pretty sure they conjured that money number up.

as they would have no clue how manny ppl left because of cheats.

and im pretty sure its not that manny

 

Dear god shooters's would be owed Billions and Billions if they could.

[Faceoff]

17 hours ago, lilgoth said:

dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed 

And how right u where....

 

I was told 5 years ago "no it not possible."

 

Im guessing people with 30000 battles have used some sort of exploit, just do the math.

[Faceoff]

17 hours ago, lilgoth said:

dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed 

And how right u where....

 

I was told 5 years ago "no it not possible."

 

Im guessing people with 30000 battles have used some sort of exploit, just do the math.