[COUGH] RigorMortis76 Players 155 posts 15,504 battles Report post #1 Posted December 27, 2021 Found this today on the news site Russia Today (RT). Criminal charges were filed against a Russian who created cheats for World of Tanks, with the damage estimated at around $9m In Russia’s first such legal case, Andrey Kirsanov has been accused of selling thousands of cheats for World of Tanks and World of Warships, causing an estimated $9m in damages. He could face up to five years in prison. Kirsanov's case was initially set to be tried in Moscow, however the court made the decision to transfer the trial to his home city of Yekaterinburg. This case sets the first precedent of a game cheat creator being criminally tried in Russia. He is being charged for the ‘creation and distribution of harmful computer programs’ as per Russia’s Criminal Code, after he allegedly sold thousands of hacks over the course of several years. Charges were initially filed against Kirsanov back in Spring 2021, at which time he initially confessed his guilt. However, since the trial started he has denied any wrongdoing. Now the court will familiarize themselves with the evidence and hear the testimonies and depositions of witnesses and victims. If found guilty, Kirsanov could be forced to pay off any damages as well as face up to five years in prison. The Belarusian game company Wargaming – the creator and owners of ‘World of Tanks’ and ‘World of Warships’ – has been declared the injured party in this case, and they claim the thousands of cheats allegedly produced and sold by Kirsanov have caused an estimated 670 million rubles (around $9 million) in damages, as many frustrated players abandoned the game upon encountering cheaters. Kirsanov allegedly created several programs, ranging from basic auto-aim scripts to fully autonomous bots. The aim hacks allowed players to automatically lock on to targets and maintain 100% accuracy and always hit critical parts of the enemy, while the bots could play the entire game without requiring any input from the user. This allowed cheaters to ‘farm’ the game for in-game currency and experience by simply launching it and keeping it running in the background while doing other things. Hackers have long been an issue within the gaming industry, and cheating in competitive online games has especially grown in recent years and proven to be a substantial source of income for cheat creators. As a result, many games have become overrun with cheaters while developers struggle to keep up with anti-cheat measures. Considering an exodus of players due to rampant cheating can result in millions of dollars in damages, developers and studios have started asking governments to take legal action against those who cheat in online games as well as those who create and sell the cheats. Hack creators in countries like China and South Korea have reportedly faced sentences ranging from several months to 15 years and now Russia might become the latest to join the fight against online cheating. I didn't know aimbots were a thing in WoWs... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[M-P-M] Migantium_Mashum Players 3,146 posts 19,218 battles Report post #2 Posted December 27, 2021 I have advised WG of suspicious activities three times before and three times they ignored me... I even messaged people using the forum to never have received a reply. They never even bothered to read it.... 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[K3RLS] MarChil Players 509 posts 13,275 battles Report post #3 Posted December 27, 2021 23 minutes ago, RigorMortis76 said: as many frustrated players abandoned the game If you read only this part, it might be right. Well, at least they moved against it. Question is, how many others are out there? Has WG taken steps? They have now admitted that it is possible. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,131 battles Report post #4 Posted December 27, 2021 The arcticle is not well researched. As if 100% accuracy were possible. 2 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RNS] lilgoth Beta Tester 201 posts Report post #5 Posted December 27, 2021 dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed 4 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[M-P-M] Migantium_Mashum Players 3,146 posts 19,218 battles Report post #6 Posted December 27, 2021 1 minute ago, lilgoth said: dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed Like a player I encountered who knew immediately when torps were fired at him from two different DD's and could delete a DD without ever seeing him... obviously 5 years into the game what do I know... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,642 battles Report post #7 Posted December 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, lilgoth said: dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed well, since the target hit is controlled by aim AND RNG, there is only so much you can do with an aimbot ... fully autonomous bots are another matter ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FRTNA] LordOfTheHoses Players 37 posts 5,380 battles Report post #8 Posted December 27, 2021 Wargaming, which does not accept that it is an illegal mod and silences its players Did you see the devil in you? because the players are gone, everyone has started quitting the game and you are starving. You will keep losing There are those who use illegal mods in the game and wargaming is just watching Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,764 battles Report post #9 Posted December 27, 2021 13 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: well, since the target hit is controlled by aim AND RNG, there is only so much you can do with an aimbot ... Also throw in an occurrence of the shots-fall-short bug and would anyone notice an aimbot? 16 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: fully autonomous bots are another matter ... That might have explained [CLAWS]. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #10 Posted December 27, 2021 WG claim they got damaged by things they have always denied to exist? I don't know if this is hypocritical or pathetic. 12 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] SV_Kompresor Beta Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 5,868 posts Report post #11 Posted December 27, 2021 Good 23 minutes ago, lilgoth said: dont worry, im sure all the usual WG shills will be along shortly to remind you that its impossible to hack in WOWS, that no aimbots or cheats exist, and you are just a terribad player who got outplayed Well I mean....99% of the time that's exactly what happened. As for the remaining 1%, it's difficult to tell either way. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #12 Posted December 27, 2021 Vor 49 Minuten, RigorMortis76 sagte: as many frustrated players abandoned the game upon encountering... ...aircraft carriers, submarines, superships... 11 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #13 Posted December 27, 2021 Vor 6 Minuten, NewHorizons_1 sagte: That might have explained [CLAWS]. And dudes like "L......3", who is still botting his German BBs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF] Cyclops_ Players 2,108 posts 36,162 battles Report post #14 Posted December 27, 2021 Mmmm, do you think the mods will shut this thread down or just ignore it??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #15 Posted December 27, 2021 Vor 1 Minute, Cyclops_ sagte: Mmmm, do you think the mods will shut this thread down or just ignore it??? They will probably pre-ban all keywords before the next stream. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COUGH] RigorMortis76 Players 155 posts 15,504 battles Report post #16 Posted December 27, 2021 Obviously the damage must far outweigh the negative publicity that this causes for Wargaming. For years they kept repeating the mantra that aimbots and cheats were impossible because all data was stored on their server side. Now they prosecute this hacker (how many are still out there??). So basically it all was a blatant lie of Wargaming because this game proved very hackable. They say the hacker caused 9 million usd in damages to Wargaming. But dear Wargaming, it is us, the players, who were affected most negatively. How are you, Wargaming, going to compensate us, the players who are affected most. How Wargaming? 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[M-P-M] Migantium_Mashum Players 3,146 posts 19,218 battles Report post #17 Posted December 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, RigorMortis76 said: How are you, Wargaming, going to compensate us, the players who are affected most. How Wargaming? 24 hours premium like always... Call me a cynic. 1 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[777TH] MaxGct Players 39 posts 19,302 battles Report post #18 Posted December 27, 2021 It's hard to know the context to this and how much this actually effected the game. I would like to think that cheating/hacks/mods are a very small, negligible amount of the player base, if any. I am not a programmer but would think why would someone want to pay money to use a hack?: 1) I would assume that every update you would need a new one or something 2) No guarantee the money you pay will get you what you want, it works and you not being scammed. In addition these guys have your details. 3) The risk of WG catching you - im pretty sure they are aware of mods. and have anti-cheating software and its quite easy to trace and give a player a warning/ban. 4) Risking a perfectly good account being banned 5) And most obviously, whats the point? What enjoyment do you get with hacks, the fun of this game is learning how ships working and playing normally with everyone else. Basically the upside seems so small for so much downside. I personally haven't come across any suspicious behaviour over my 1000's of battles, and nobody I know that has. Are there any even accounts with unrealistically high win %'s that would indicate cheating? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #19 Posted December 27, 2021 I hope this story will be validated by a news portal. RT and WG are hardly sources I would believe. I'm kind of disappointed that RT did not claim the hacker was a NATO spy waging a cyberwar against Russia. 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #20 Posted December 27, 2021 Vor 3 Minuten, MaxGct sagte: What enjoyment do you get with hacks, the fun of this game is learning how ships working and playing normally with everyone else. What enjoyment do you get by playing CV or SS? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEH] hellhound666 Beta Tester 1,978 posts Report post #21 Posted December 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, Cyclops_ said: Mmmm, do you think the mods will shut this thread down or just ignore it??? could not care less what they do or dont ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[K3RLS] MarChil Players 509 posts 13,275 battles Report post #22 Posted December 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said: I hope this story will be validated by a news portal. RT and WG are hardly sources I would believe. I'm kind of disappointed that RT did not claim the hacker was a NATO spy waging a cyberwar against Russia. Google is your friend. just type the name and Warships. There are other primary sources that seem credible 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akira_yuki Players 47 posts 5,707 battles Report post #23 Posted December 27, 2021 45 minuti fa, MementoMori_6030 ha scritto: WG claim they got damaged by things they have always denied to exist? I don't know if this is hypocritical or pathetic. Both Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DEH] hellhound666 Beta Tester 1,978 posts Report post #24 Posted December 27, 2021 Removed* to call rt reliable/believable... lol of the week 7 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GWR] illy Players 913 posts 18,718 battles Report post #25 Posted December 27, 2021 they should employ the guy to make it harder for people to exploit or use cheats in their games, makes sense to me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
