Mainz: Why is the detectability so bad?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

I currently have Concealment Expert and Concealment System Mod 1 and I keep getting spotted way too easy. Is there anything else I can do with this ship as far as getting that detectability down? I mean even behind islands I see that yellow exclamation pop up with no ships in sight. 

 

I don't get why it's so bad. 

[Prophecy82]

You built it wrong. 

 

You get Lütjens and use a Semi-Lighthouse build (only conceal-mod). 

15,4km detectability but better RoF then Cleveland. 

Have fun. 

 

Suggested build: 

 

 

Works for Hindenburg, too. 

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

It is a Hipper hull, that is why. You give it a DPM build and you kite. Mainz is one of the strongest ships at T8.

[Prophecy82]

Just now, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

It is a Hipper hull, that is why. You give it a DPM build and you kite. Mainz is one of the strongest ships at T8.

 

Except for the bow/stern, since Mainz has only 25mm

[arttuperkunas]

9 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I currently have Concealment Expert and Concealment System Mod 1 and I keep getting spotted way too easy. Is there anything else I can do with this ship as far as getting that detectability down? I mean even behind islands I see that yellow exclamation pop up with no ships in sight. 

 

I don't get why it's so bad. 

Not every ship in this game is supposed to do everything. Running a conceal build on mainz is like running a range build on Kremlin

 

... hold on

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

It is a Hipper hull, that is why. You give it a DPM build and you kite. Mainz is one of the strongest ships at T8.

I do kite but I still get detected no matter what and blasted. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

11 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

You built it wrong. 

 

You get Lütjens and use a Semi-Lighthouse build (only conceal-mod). 

15,4km detectability but better RoF then Cleveland. 

Have fun. 

 

Suggested build: 

 

 

Works for Hindenburg, too. 

Question: Why Lutjens? What exactly does he have that will help a cruiser? 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

5 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said:

Not every ship in this game is supposed to do everything. Running a conceal build on mainz is like running a range build on Kremlin

 

... hold on

I actually didn't build it for concealment. I built it to at least bring me to "not quite sucking" at concealment. 

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

4 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Question: Why Lutjens? What exactly does he have that will help a cruiser? 

Getting 140 main battery hits reduces your reload and every time you spot three ships you regain health, as well as improving her turret traverse. You want to move and evade as much as possible with Mainz, because the armour is thick enough (or thin, depending how you look at it) to take penetrations easily.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Why is the AP dpm higher than most tier tens?

Why does it’s HE pen 38mm?

 

 Poor concealment is a balancing factor, it’s still very strong though.

[Prophecy82]

30 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

42 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

 

Question: Why Lutjens? What exactly does he have that will help a cruiser? 

Bcs its quite easy to get 130 hits when you have 12 Guns. 

This proccs his skill which increases the RoF even further. 

 

Works not in CB ofc. 

 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

34 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Getting 140 main battery hits reduces your reload and every time you spot three ships you regain health, as well as improving her turret traverse. You want to move and evade as much as possible with Mainz, because the armour is thick enough (or thin, depending how you look at it) to take penetrations easily.

Okay. It's just he has such a large coal cost to get. 

[Flaky26]

Před 3 minutami The_Angry_Admiral řekl/a:

Okay. It's just he has such a large coal cost to get. 

True. But he has good perks for almost every class. If you have enough premium german ships, then he is definitely worth the coal.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

31 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Why is the AP dpm higher than most tier tens?

Why does it’s HE pen 38mm?

 

 Poor concealment is a balancing factor, it’s still very strong though.

This. 👆

Mainz is fine, although I'd like her to be 27mm all around like its cousins.

I build for concealment and 12km is fine, you've got railguns that allow you to fight at distance. Keep moving, don't sail in straight lines and keep firing. If you keep getting spotted you are getting too close, and Mainz doesn't need to be close.

[KruppStahl14]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I currently have Concealment Expert and Concealment System Mod 1 and I keep getting spotted way too easy. Is there anything else I can do with this ship as far as getting that detectability down? I mean even behind islands I see that yellow exclamation pop up with no ships in sight. 

 

I don't get why it's so bad. 

 

Thats the tradeoff from german Cruisers for having good range. If you want Cruisers with even better range, Armour, guns, Radar and better concealment on top, go for the soviet dreamboat Cruisers...

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, KruppStahl14 said:

 

Thats the tradeoff from german Cruisers for having good range. If you want Cruisers with even better range, Armour, guns, Radar and better concealment on top, go for the soviet dreamboat Cruisers...

Oh the Petro is up next for me. Just need a bit more credits. 

[ARE_YOU_HUMAN]

That thing is a lighthouse build dream for cruiser mainz^^

 

It's a beast if you know how to use it.

You can get the reload time as low as 4.6

[JoeSparkx]

It's a German bote, Germans don't do concealment, who needs concealment with superior German engineering? A good KM Cruiser doesn't give a stuff about being spotted, when kiting properly you can't hit one anyway. I likes to be seen, afterall whats the point of fashionable and stylish ships if no one can see you?

[MadBadDave]

Balance !!.   

[SodaBubbles]

Dont bother with conceal. Runner rudder shift and play at range, making them miss. 

[Redcap375]

Balance..so WG actually did a half decent attempt with this one. 

 

Can you imagine giving it something like 10km? Dear god would it be nasty for enemy dds or even crusiers that don't see it until its too late with 3 salvos into its broadside. 

 

I go full concealment personally and 11km is more than enough, considering your constantly firing. But there are times when going silent makes the difference, either to reposition or getting that bit closer to kite better. 

 

It's my fav tier 8 crusier, by far actually. 

 

Getting spotted is good, it means that your firing and doing your mainz job mate. 

[SilentEnimLegesInterArma]

because if you go lighthouse and rudder its a menace

[principat121]

5 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I don't get why it's so bad. 

Hint: It is not the ship that is bad, it is always the players who steers the ship in bad situations. 

[Zemeritt]

7 hours ago, Prophecy82 said:

Suggested build: 

 

IFHE on german cruisers?

Could I ask which ships you can pen with that increased pen?

[Prophecy82]

Just now, Zemeritt said:

 

IFHE on german cruisers?

Could I ask which ships you can pen with that increased pen?

Hindenburg can pen Kremlin Deck with IFHE.

I HATE Kremlins.