Will Submarines ever be finished in WoWs?

[Warthog1942]

Like for real, Im waiting for more than 3 years now that you implement submarines into this game, how much testing can one need?

 

Im not really in a mood to come running in certain time frames just to test a submarine for 3 days.. I finally wanna play and enjoy them, took WT a single April Fools to perfectly implement them..

and in all honesty by now I expect that by the time Submarines in WoWs are done, WT finished every single combat vehicle on air land and sea in every single variant possible from 1905 to 2022

[Lootboxer]

They don't want to repeat rushed cv rework fiasco (or do they say so).

[Takethatyoubeast]

Well subs came in were nerfed so no one played them so now in the next update they will get a buff

 

I can’t see how they will ever fit into the WOWs game style but WG seem determined to make them fit somehow 

[Nibenay78]

11 minutes ago, Warthog1942 said:

Like for real, Im waiting for more than 3 years now that you implement submarines into this game, how much testing can one need?

 

Im not really in a mood to come running in certain time frames just to test a submarine for 3 days.. I finally wanna play and enjoy them, took WT a single April Fools to perfectly implement them..

and in all honesty by now I expect that by the time Submarines in WoWs are done, WT finished every single combat vehicle on air land and sea in every single variant possible from 1905 to 2022

We seriously need more reports since we now have to report 2 CVs and 4 Subs every game...

[Yedwy]

13 minutes ago, Warthog1942 said:

Like for real, Im waiting for more than 3 years now that you implement submarines into this game, how much testing can one need?

 

Im not really in a mood to come running in certain time frames just to test a submarine for 3 days.. I finally wanna play and enjoy them, took WT a single April Fools to perfectly implement them..

and in all honesty by now I expect that by the time Submarines in WoWs are done, WT finished every single combat vehicle on air land and sea in every single variant possible from 1905 to 2022

You do, do you? How nice for you for sharing that in your first post after allegedly being a beta tester account...

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

16 minutes ago, Warthog1942 said:

Like for real, Im waiting for more than 3 years now that you implement submarines into this game, how much testing can one need?

 

Im not really in a mood to come running in certain time frames just to test a submarine for 3 days.. I finally wanna play and enjoy them, took WT a single April Fools to perfectly implement them..

and in all honesty by now I expect that by the time Submarines in WoWs are done, WT finished every single combat vehicle on air land and sea in every single variant possible from 1905 to 2022

You seem unaware that the current team of producers and gameplay designers really don't know how to build engaging naval gameplay much. They have been struggling since 2018 or so.

 

Lesta are balancing around popularity, so if you want them this bad, you better start playing them all day. Also, if you play them really poorly lesta will also buff them for you. Good luck coming weeks mate 

[NewHorizons_1]

OP : Will Submarines ever be finished in WoWs?

Me : Will Submarines ever finish WoWs off?

 

 

[Camperdown]

21 minutes ago, Europizza said:

You seem unaware that the current team of producers and gameplay designers really don't know how to build engaging naval gameplay much. They have been struggling since 2018 or so.

 

Lesta are balancing around popularity, so if you want them this bad, you better start playing them all day. Also, if you play them really poorly lesta will also buff them for you. Good luck coming weeks mate 

No, they are balancing around impopularity.

[Onsterfelijke]

39 minutes ago, Takethatyoubeast said:

Well subs came in were nerfed so no one played them so now in the next update they will get a buff

 

I can’t see how they will ever fit into the WOWs game style but WG seem determined to make them fit somehow 

I think they will great for Operations...

[GarrusBrutus]

Then go play WT. 

[Nibenay78]

When do I get my ballistic nuclear missile ships? I can't wait to auto-win or auto-die..

[invicta2012]

1 minute ago, Onsterfelijke said:

I think they will great for Operations...

Not sure about that, tbh. Most Ops require travelling and striking across some distance. Tier VI subs will struggle with that. I'm also not convinced that WG can make Bot AI follow their (increasingly confused) ASW method.

[arttuperkunas]

39 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

You do, do you? How nice for you for sharing that in your first post after allegedly being a beta tester account...

He is the voice of the silent majority that really wants submarines

[Onsterfelijke]

4 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Not sure about that, tbh. Most Ops require travelling and striking across some distance. Tier VI subs will struggle with that. I'm also not convinced that WG can make Bot AI follow their (increasingly confused) ASW method.

Maybe not in certain Operations but defense of New port should be ok AND they could develop new ones. AI NPC is how good they make them i would like the killer bots back :)

[Cammo1962]

5 hours ago, WarGamblingUnlimited said:

They don't want to repeat rushed cv rework fiasco (or do they say so).

And that's why we're guinea pigs in random, ranked and co-op battles  

[Yedwy]

9 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

And that's why we're guinea pigs in random, ranked and co-op battles  

Perhaps this will be the new model of giving access to free ships in the future - you get them rented after you play number of battles in the same tier ship, ofc since all silver ships are in fact now rentals you will need a premium to do so... 

[HassenderZerhacker]

maybe not, but WoWS is finished for me...

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

7 hours ago, Warthog1942 said:

Like for real, Im waiting for more than 3 years now that you implement submarines into this game, how much testing can one need?

 

Im not really in a mood to come running in certain time frames just to test a submarine for 3 days.. I finally wanna play and enjoy them, took WT a single April Fools to perfectly implement them..

and in all honesty by now I expect that by the time Submarines in WoWs are done, WT finished every single combat vehicle on air land and sea in every single variant possible from 1905 to 2022

WG won't consider submarines finished until they manage to find enough players playing them, and the reason they think that's not the case is because they are not strong enough, so they'll continue buffing them and people will continue not playing them, because they'll still be boring as hell. So the estimated time for submarine to finish their testing phase is expected to be... Never.

[Ronchabale]

They will follow WG:s normal intregration progress:

 

1. Buff to gain "target" popularity and sales

2. Sell ships with real powerful anti submarine systems

3. Power creapt like everything else

 

Remember the AA cruiser 💩 (Atlanta)

[Warthog1942]

Vor 22 Stunden, NewHorizons_1 sagte:

OP : Will Submarines ever be finished in WoWs?

Me : Will Submarines ever finish WoWs off?

 

 

Well I played the rentals for some hours now and I can say, in this state they will Never finish WoWs off, in fact they will never accomplish anything and they wasted several years of development.

 

They are so weak in general, sure the torpedos can do a ton of damage, but its hard to get there. You are forced to dive below 60m or you arent going anywhere.

Way too many ships have depth charge bombers that can ruin your day really fast with their incredibly stupid range (depth charge explosion range), sure their damage isnt the biggest but if you get clustered by 40 of them, where do you wanna go?

By that time not even fired one torpedo because if you are in operational depth you are going to get spotted by sonar, radar and probably even fishes that tell the enemy your location so you get instantly bombed and then your diving capacity is running out faster on 3x than Usain Bolt can finish a 100m sprint.

So either get in operational depth.. spend 20-25 seconds to get a target solution for your torpedos and struggle with the 75 depth charge bombers coming after you and the DDs coming running - or sit at 60m, try to sneak around, get in operational depth behind them, and then repeat the same depth charge spam again.

 

Not viable, absolutely useless, you cant even try to be tactical and go for the enemy CV since until you dived over there the game is over. 

 

I've played enough Naval games, especially about Submarines, hence Im so hyped about them.. but in this game they are literally worthless to play. I mean the secondary turrets you have, dont even work!

 

I ran out of diving capacity so I was forced to surface.. right next to me is a DD with ~2400 hp left.. I get up to surface and it took him some solid 5-6 seconds to kill me with my remaining 4000 hp from the 145 depth charges coming after me.

But you would think in that time my secondary guns would have shot atleast once on him right?! No. didnt even bother to move an inch.

 

I've left this game years ago because it got boring as hell and the meta was silly, there were better and more interesting games to play than this.. sadly on WT, Submarines were only an April Fools Event so far, and there is no other PvP game with Submarines use in such Naval combat.

 

I came back because some Update said theres Subs now, after spending too much time on trying to find out where tf you can actually unlock them I got the first Sub

 

U-69 was decent to play since you dont get spotted 24/7, but its slow as heck.. so before you get anywhere great the game is over. Atleast you can do some good damage on ships tho, with some luck get 2 kills, usually 1. 

 

U-190 was better than that, especially like the higher diving capacity because it made the Submarine a bit more viable and worth the time. Good damage 1-2 kills are in, 3 unlikely because of diving capacity, speed and reload + acquiring target. Less depth charge spam and it could be fun and balanced.

 

U-2501.. two words.. absolutely worthless. 

 

12 more days of rental and then the game is uninstalled again.

 

ps: US Submarines can be left in the dust, the German Submarines are much better in every way.. longer diving, higher distance, faster speed, more damage, better looks, actually good equipment (rather 30secs diving capacity x3 .. or some shitty 20% on vertical and horizontal rudder setting time?)

sure the higher you go in Ranks, the US Subs will outclass the Germans in Reload.. but since you are meant to play stealth the reload time isnt all too tough to handle, in addition to the higher damage you need less torpedos anyway. 

 

So why even implement them anyway? Nations are mixed in this game.. its not like WT Realistic Battles that Germany will be OP then.

[Tanaka_15]

On 12/17/2021 at 8:15 AM, Warthog1942 said:

how much testing can one need?

A lot, a this state they are game braking.

[Yedwy]

On 12/17/2021 at 8:58 AM, Camperdown said:

No, they are balancing around impopularity.

And WG should really stop trying to convince anyone about their "advanced balancing tools" popularity is literally the ONE AND ONLY metric they use, if a ship/class is reasonably popular - good, if its not popular enough - buff, if its overly popular - nerf, if its INSANELY popular - remove it and make it a gambling crate only ship to "monetize on it"

[MixuS]

1 hour ago, Warthog1942 said:

I've played enough Naval games, especially about Submarines, hence Im so hyped about them.. but in this game they are literally worthless to play. I mean the secondary turrets you have, dont even work!

Then why don't you go play the subs in those other naval games?

[Aethervoxx]

Submarines might finish off WoWS so, in that sense, Subs may eventually be finished .

[DirtyHeddy]

In a far, very far future maybe there will be all ship types and they are well balanced.