Never Enough Gifts!

[ColonelPete]

48 minutes ago, tsounts said:

It would have been probably better had we been able to get super containers for our tier x ships instead of the certificates.

It is doubtful that people would get more ships out of these.

[Seraphice]

14 hours ago, Federix02 said:

I opened 14 big santa crates (from certificates).

 

In 13 crates I found only flags and 3000 gold.

 

In 1 crate I found Marblehead Lima.

 

I already owned Marblehead.

 

Yes, because WG listed Marblehead AND Marblehead Lima in the group of ships that can be found in the santa crates, regardless of they are clones, only the camo is different. 

 

I feel fooled.

 

So guys dont spend money in this game!!!

Hi!

We are sorry you feel this way, but all of this information is clearly outlined in our devblog, portal articles, here on the forum, reddit, and even in-game.
 

 

9 hours ago, tsounts said:

It would have been probably better had we been able to get super containers for our tier x ships instead of the certificates. 

For the anniversary, you can obtain supercontainers, however for christmas, we want to appropriately theme the rewards in the christmas spirit, and thus santa's gift containers are chosen.
This year we have given players the option to choose which type of gift they can obtain using tokens, instead of only giving players the regular santa's gift container per ship.

Fair seas captains!
~Sera

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

On 12/10/2021 at 3:01 PM, Wicket_Boomber said:

Honey , last year was 2020 , this year 2021 WG have other scams , we know % of chance to get ship , so last year stats does not matter ...

So, we are three days on and where are these scams you are talking about? Since no one has come forward with any evidence that they exist... I'm just going to say: WG put so much effort into getting the Christmas boxes right, that we got more bugs than usual. 

[KillStealBoss]

18 hours ago, tsounts said:

It would have been probably better had we been able to get super containers for our tier x ships instead of the certificates.

Again supers? We have them once a year in September. I wouldn't want to have them now again. 

[Ihre_Altersvorsorge]

Honestly I‘m fine with the containers this year. I bought maaany containers and the average was around 1 ship every 10 containers. Often times many more. And also because the list of possible ships is displayed you kind of can predict which ship you‘ll get. 

For example I had almost every T5 premium from the beginning. So the ‚least‘ what I could have gotten were a few T6s and T5s and of course everything above. From the first 100 containers I got ships, which were combined more worth than the 100 mega containers. (Smolensk included). After that I had to wait a long time for another T X.

Is it some form of gambeling? Hell yea sure. But I can go into a Casino with 2000€ and come out with zero.

Here I went in with 2000€ and got every single ship I ever wanted (every single one on the list to be exact). Enough Coal for three legendary commanders. A lifetime supply of camos and flags. Over 1000 days of premium and a lot of dubloons.

Was it worth it ? For me yes. I have fun playing the game and I invest heavily in my gaming hobby. Some people go Skiing or fly to a tropical island for a week. Well I want to get a few ships in one of my favorite games. 

 

I‘m not the biggest fan of the ‚only gambeling during christmas‘ thing. I think the best christmas was where you could get the Graf Spee for free. 

But I have no problem investing into a hobby that I like either. 

 

I‘d say the boxes are worth it if you got the low tier premiums already and want the T7 and above. Otherwise its not really worth if you dont want to invest a huge amount. 

 

Cheers
 

 

 

 

[Federix02]

23 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Hi!

We are sorry you feel this way, but all of this information is clearly outlined in our devblog, portal articles, here on the forum, reddit, and even in-game.
 

Fair seas captains!
~Sera

Hi Sera,

 

Thanks for the response. I know, these are the rules, but I think that listing together as rewards 2 ships differing only for the camo is not correct.

 

And I intended to say that with different rules I would spend money in this game.

[Sir_Sinksalot]

On 12/12/2021 at 6:16 PM, Redwing6891 said:

As long as players won't stop bragging about their gambling successes, loot boxes will not go away. Because the next Joe or Jane will think that they might also be lucky. 

 

The only way to make WG stop (eventually) is by not buying any 'gifts'.

 

I am aware of all the 'commercial business arguments' and am happy to support a legitimate business by purchasing their wares. I have in the past bought several premium ships and I might do again provided WG put something forward that is reasonably priced and not some science-fiction papership monstrosity. 

 

But I will not buy loot boxes, containers, 'Santa's gifts'. Not now, not ever. And if Santa is listening, then he would not be very pleased with his name being drawn into this. Unfortunately, he doesn't have a trademark so he won't be able to express his displeasure through the legal system. 

 

Gambling is a blight on the gaming industry and must be stopped.

 

Ya I agree with some of that.

 

Well firstly I wouldn't necessarily agree that all players that post screenshots of their low percentage prizes are bragging. Yes, some are undoubtedly bragging and almost promoting mistruths as much to suggest that they bought a few crates and it rained high-end rewards. I don't know why they do that and it's obviously untrue, misleading and we can now see the real liklihood of getting a high-end reward thanks to WG's new openness about their crates contents % drop rate. Btw not sure why WG suddenly started sharing that, perhaps some new EU GDPR call but anyway it's there to see. But some others that post their winning screenshot are simply sharing their excitement in the knowledge that they were fully aware the chances of winning ship X, Y or Z are extremely low and that they were one of the tiny few lucky enough to get them, they know they were extremely lucky and that's why they're sharing their excitement, so there's that too. 

 

As for "gambling boxes", I would have a similar opinion in the sense that I also don't feel they have any place in a non-gambling video game, and certainly not a game that's considered suitable for kids to play. Gambling is an adult-only form of entertainment, and this game is not adult only. If this was an online casino game, 18+, then I have absolutely NO PROBLEM WITH IT, at least no problem in what it's offering since it's no secret and an actual gambling outlet. If you look at WoT their loot boxes include new premium tanks that can only be obtained by purchasing these loot boxes. So I don't like the fact these loot boxes with lucrative items that can't be obtained any other way are pushed in front of a playerbase fronted as being suitable for kids that in turn will pressure their parents to buy them and will obviously not be happy until they get that lucrative item that's an extremely low % drop rate so this puts massively unfair pressure on their parents, causes unfair conflict within that family, the kids obviously need their parents to buy them for them, perhaps if they didn't get the prize from the loot boxes gifted by their parents they steal the credit card and all that sort of shhhht. Plus I don't like how it's introducing kids to gambling and making it so addictively attractive. These kids will grow up, get jobs and it could develop into a real life problem all sourced back to when they were kids playing video games.  

 

Even if this game was 18+ and these loot boxes were therefore only targeted at an adult audience, I would still have issue because this is a online PvP and PvE video game, not a gambling business and I feel there should be separation. Your business is either for gambling, or it's not. I don't like these grey area loopholes companies like WG are currently exploiting whereby loot boxes and digital goods are not classed as a form of gambling. Not all countries share that opinion though and so WG are not allowed sell these loot boxes in all countries. Unlike me, there are a lot of adults with gambling addictions and very susceptible to that. These same people with gambling addictions most likely play these game to escape their gambling addiction through the art of distraction and separation, yet now they can't and they will undoubtedly fall victim to their own disability and I consider addictive gambling a form of disability, a very very dangerous one at that, certainly not to be exploited by some greedy immoral people or company that knows exactly what they are doing. Attaching warnings and "gamble sensibly" is really a bs smoke screen because for people with this affliction gambling sensibly and self control is simply not an option. For them the only way is separation and distraction. We see this on TV and pop-ups too though, not just gaming, there's no escape for these poor souls at the moment and I really feel sorry for them. It's a dark time for that topic and undoubtedly in the future gambling outlets will be surely restricted to places of business specifically designed for gambling such as the bookies etc. I really hate the way it's currently mashed into everything, games, sport, adverts, online vids, everything. 

[Fesvil]

It takes a tiny amount of brain to understand that if there was this allegedly huge outcry in the community about lootboxes in general, there wouldn't be any boxes. The drop chances and check box were preemptive  measures taken to ensure no trouble from countries on the verge of introducing restrictions or consumer organizations on the verge of causing issues. Wargaming were planning ahead.

 

Now to the drop chances, you need thousands to get a good enough sample to see percentage wise drop chances. There is also the guaranteed drop, which skews it slightly in their favour.

 

To be honest, I would hate to say that for me personally, the drop chances are more or less spot on. But I have 3-4 clan mates who seemingly are all the golden goose because they get almost twice the ships I did. crap happens, I love the flags and most of the camouflages (and coal, steel and dubs). For once doubloon drop = two new boxes.

 

An advice: My plan was to try to get T9 ships this year, alas none of the new T9 were included (except the oooooold Marco P), but all my rare TX ships I happily had spent Coal on were.. Bummer there.. Sorry, long time before the advice, but, plan ahead. Think ahead. Set a fixed amount of money you are willing to spend on it, I've seen users spend thousands on thousands of crates to accrue steel, well it saves you time, but... Find out what you want to spend (if you want to spend, because you get ALOT FOR FREE) and stick to it!

 

These boxes are not bad like whiners want you to believe, their not good either. They are what you think they are, for me they're good, really good, but if you don't want flags to level faster, get more credits, captain exp or free exp (what a corny expression, should be useless exp as there are no more free exp boats.. but hey.. I digress) then the boxes are bad. 

 

Make up your own mind instead of listening to what others get or not, is the content good -> set a limit, stick to it!. Is the content bad-> grab the free crap and spend nothing.

 

I believe in free will and your own responsibility alas there are those that wants to regulate everything because there are a few people that needs a regulation to not go completely bonkers, that's stupid, but that's just my opinion. 

 

Don't ever waste your money, but more importantly, NEVER waste your time!

 

Merry Christmas.

 

-Fes 

 

 

[ZeMalm]

On 12/14/2021 at 2:46 PM, Schleeeeecki said:

Here I went in with 2000€ and got every single ship I ever wanted

I am not judging you. But why spend 2000 on virtual ships that you are not gonna play?

[Fesvil]

11 minutes ago, ZeMalm said:

I am not judging you. But why spend 2000 on virtual ships that you are not gonna play?

Seems kind of judgemental to say he will not play what he got. 

 

I know I probably will not play all the premium ships I have, but there are other reasons to get them (for me? Steeeeeel).

 

And I find it a bit odd that people claim virtual stuff is so much worse than the real stuff. I suppose they never go on vacations, I mean that's just a memory once it's over. Physically you cannot bring it with you unless you move there, and then it's not a vacation. That's perhaps the daftest example, but what about movies? music?

 

Yeah, you might have the physical media, but you might more likely use the streaming service for movies and music, are they also a waste?

 

To be honest, whatever you spend TIME on is not useless, it's precious. So it doesn't matter if it is virtual or physical, only what you value. Spending money on that is as good as spending money on anything else that's a hobby, especially from a wife's point of view :-).

 

-Fes

 

 

[Maris_Piper]

TBH I have no problems at all with this years Satan Crates, I got some freebies and got the usual Meh Signals and Throwaway cammo's, I got Naff all worth having with the T-X tokens and I've bought Jack Ship Crates with real Money, So not disappointed as to be disappointed you have to have been expecting to get something worth having to start with, and it is Wargambling after all 

PS. My Daughter bought me a Ship in a Bottle for Christmas, she said your never going to get one ins a Box 

[Redwing6891]

1 hour ago, Fesvil said:

It takes a tiny amount of brain to understand that if there was this allegedly huge outcry in the community about lootboxes in general, there wouldn't be any boxes. The drop chances and check box were preemptive  measures taken to ensure no trouble from countries on the verge of introducing restrictions or consumer organizations on the verge of causing issues. Wargaming were planning ahead.

 

Now to the drop chances, you need thousands to get a good enough sample to see percentage wise drop chances. There is also the guaranteed drop, which skews it slightly in their favour.

 

To be honest, I would hate to say that for me personally, the drop chances are more or less spot on. But I have 3-4 clan mates who seemingly are all the golden goose because they get almost twice the ships I did. crap happens, I love the flags and most of the camouflages (and coal, steel and dubs). For once doubloon drop = two new boxes.

 

An advice: My plan was to try to get T9 ships this year, alas none of the new T9 were included (except the oooooold Marco P), but all my rare TX ships I happily had spent Coal on were.. Bummer there.. Sorry, long time before the advice, but, plan ahead. Think ahead. Set a fixed amount of money you are willing to spend on it, I've seen users spend thousands on thousands of crates to accrue steel, well it saves you time, but... Find out what you want to spend (if you want to spend, because you get ALOT FOR FREE) and stick to it!

 

These boxes are not bad like whiners want you to believe, their not good either. They are what you think they are, for me they're good, really good, but if you don't want flags to level faster, get more credits, captain exp or free exp (what a corny expression, should be useless exp as there are no more free exp boats.. but hey.. I digress) then the boxes are bad. 

 

Make up your own mind instead of listening to what others get or not, is the content good -> set a limit, stick to it!. Is the content bad-> grab the free crap and spend nothing.

 

I believe in free will and your own responsibility alas there are those that wants to regulate everything because there are a few people that needs a regulation to not go completely bonkers, that's stupid, but that's just my opinion. 

 

Don't ever waste your money, but more importantly, NEVER waste your time!

 

Merry Christmas.

 

-Fes 

 

 

Sorry, TL;DR. 

 

Took your advice in the last line of your post, though. Thanks!

 

Merry Christmas to you, too.

[Redwing6891]

25 minutes ago, ZeMalm said:

I am not judging you. But why spend 2000 on virtual ships that you are not gonna play?

I am not judging @Schleeeeecki either, each to their own.

 

I am just imagining what I might have done with this much money. And it wouldn't have been spent on pixel ships, that's for sure.

[DarthDon49]

I have two fleets, one here on the EU server and one on the NA. As I've had to cut back on my gaming, I'm going to sell my EU account, therefore, I'll buy zero "gifts".

[CapetanNikolis]

smolensk

 

[416taylor]

On 12/10/2021 at 10:40 AM, Hanse77SWE said:

Agincourt

Don't forget Viribus unitis. The ship whose AA is the crew shooting with handguns.

[416taylor]

On 12/10/2021 at 1:20 PM, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

You do realise we have last year's statistics, and they ended up giving roughly the same odds that Wargaming announced.
And yes, two people can have the same ship, because not many people actually have Constellation or a lot of the new premiums. So of course those get pulled first when everyone has most of the older ones already. Basically no one on the NA forum has gotten a Constellation. Why? Because they all buy the American ships because a lot of them are Americans. Tirpitz could have been part of a shortlist and no one would notice because almost everyone has a Tirpitz already.

it's very simple, get all ships in list and you will recive a supercontainer with ship or steel I got all rare ships from 40 megacontainers two years ago.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

1 minute ago, 416taylor said:

it's very simple, get all ships in list and you will recive a supercontainer with ship or steel I got all rare ships from 40 megacontainers two years ago.

I am aware... I owned all the ships bar Yukon before the event started. No need to inform me when the person you should be informing is @Wicket_Boomber, who has no evidence and what proof they have given has been disproven.

[416taylor]

On 12/10/2021 at 2:29 PM, tfrtm said:

Probability means to get flags from ALL yours mega crates.

Easy to understand this.

We need a lot of flags now with submarines. The game can end very early.

[416taylor]

On 12/13/2021 at 3:05 PM, Seraphice said:

Hi!

We are sorry you feel this way, but all of this information is clearly outlined in our devblog, portal articles, here on the forum, reddit, and even in-game.
 

 

For the anniversary, you can obtain supercontainers, however for christmas, we want to appropriately theme the rewards in the christmas spirit, and thus santa's gift containers are chosen.
This year we have given players the option to choose which type of gift they can obtain using tokens, instead of only giving players the regular santa's gift container per ship.

Fair seas captains!
~Sera

The rate is wrong it should be 1,2,3 instead of 1,3,5

[416taylor]

The big problem is the snowflakes. I struggeling with 18/402 that I have left, and with anniversity in close mind. I mean 800 battles in coop, and don't try lecturing me about 300 BXP in random that would take three times longer.

Just give us steel and coal for the ships we have

[Seraphice]

14 hours ago, 416taylor said:

The rate is wrong it should be 1,2,3 instead of 1,3,5 

Even with the 1, 3, 5 ratio, for regular big mega, the statistics are still in favour of the mega crates, the numbers aren't exactly in your favour there.
There are plenty of forumites who have done the math on it, so lowering it down to 1 2 3 would not be very logical.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

On 12/10/2021 at 9:29 AM, Strothy said:

Don't spend any money

Agree.

[416taylor]

12 hours ago, Seraphice said:

Even with the 1, 3, 5 ratio, for regular big mega, the statistics are still in favour of the mega crates, the numbers aren't exactly in your favour there.
There are plenty of forumites who have done the math on it, so lowering it down to 1 2 3 would not be very logical.

Fair seas captain!
~Sera

Some wg hangarounders then. I'm sure the playerbase prefer 1,2,3 rate.

[416taylor]

I wonder what we will get for reward except for the emblem when they releese it in 0.11.0. I was thinking 500 ships in harbour could be worth something for WG. hope atleast not any camos or premium days. How about a Alabama VL