Never Enough Gifts!

[Wicket_Boomber]

26 minutes ago, tfrtm said:

Opened 9 mega crates.

Only flags.

So much for WGs 'probability'

I bet same will happen to me :(

[Sir_Sinksalot]

26 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

Steelwhaling is the website that lets you track how far you are with your snowflakes.

 

You mean snowflakes that are rewarded from T5+ ships or something else? I don't see how that former would have any bearing on how many T10 ships each player within the entire playerbase has or how you can then calculate to claim that 40-50k players have at least 4-5 T10 ships?

 

26 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

You pay much more money grinding to T10 than buying a premium ship. 

 

That's not a fact it's an opinion. What is a fact is that players have grinded T10 ships entirely for free. It's also a fact that we win free premium time, boosters, consumable camo with increased XP returns so no, that argument is debunked too. Sure, some players will undoubtedly pay money to purchase premium time and boosters at moments when it suits them to do so but that's still not a logical argument for attributing various rewards to T10 ships only. Even the notion of attributing these same things to T8 and T9 premium ships(A point that I made) would be slightly flawed of me to suggest since some of those can be acquired with coal so if the argument is these rewards are attributed to T10 ships to reward WG's most valued customers, which is obviously those that pay chunky amounts of money, then it would have to be attributed to very selected premium ships of T8 and T9, such as those that can only be purchased for real money and top price at that. No the whole T10 ship because players pay much more money grinding is completely flawed. There's also perma-camo, the mentioned coal ships and free signals that translates into playing higher tiers entirely for free too, no credits really lost, or gained, but still free play without needing a premium account or spending money.

 

26 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

So you get two flies in one stroke. The whole snowflake event is based on ''rewarding'' those who buy the most and those who have been here so long that they already have all the tech tree ships. 

 

So you also think the snowflake event is rewarding those who spend the most money? But isn't the vast majority of those ships only tech tree ships which are entirely free? And of those, most are lower tier, cheap, easy to grind for free and also probably obtained from those events for early access simply by plinking down the targets during each time gate... nah, that argument doesn't make sense either. If you're referring to the T10 only ships, it's still free ships at the end of the day. Like I said, I only assumed it was set as T10 ships so not too many players get access to them and of those, not too many have a massive amount of T10 ships so ultimately WG don't end up gifting away lots of free premium ships. That's just a theory obviously I have no way of knowing this.

 

26 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

WG uses statistics to balance and decided their actions. So they are going to draw as much money out of us as possible. At the end of the day, it is all free goodies to draw us in to spend money and play more.

 

Undoubtedly, being the business that it is of course. It just doesn't really make sense though. Like I said if that was the case, which surely it is(as in trying to tailor this game to max out profit), then surely there would be a much greater enticement placed on things that WG know 100% makes money like "cash only" premium ships and selling premium time only as part of a bundle that comes with snowflakes or certs or crates. Sure, we can see that in affect with the premium crates whereby the premium crates that cost real money get way better prizes and % chances than the free crates, but just not so clear with the above incentives. Even if the argument is that this is a move by WG to encourage players to spend money to grind lots of T10 ships asap, then it STILL isn't really that fast is it? You recon about 200 battles per T10 ship? I know a lot of ppl would simply prefer to throw money at jumping to T10 instantly yet this isn't an option, same people sure as F won't be grinding 200 battles lol, let alone a thousand for 5 ships so those people simply won't bother paying for that supposed premium time and boosters WG(or you) think they will.. so it's still not really a good argument as to why WG do it.

[BarthalomewKuma]

32 minutes ago, tfrtm said:

Opened 9 mega crates.

Only flags.

So much for WGs 'probability'

Man I opened whole 15 MEGA containers (9 like you from atests + 6 from dubs I had sitting on account for over year and didn't plan on using them on anything since I bought 5 stages for Marlborough anyway already) ... and guess what only signals and camos. 0 ships except T6 London pity at 14th pull.

I mean if someone will say that there is "value" in those containers - must be total moron. Just because someone pulls on idk Thunderer doesn't mean those containers are worth even HALF of thier price. Quarter would be hard pressed.

Lets put it that way in doubloons perspective (and to some degree true because I bought 6 for those) I have whaled over 15k doubloons to get 0 ships except Pity T6 london at 14th container (so its not drop its GUARANTEE ship at this stage according to rules) - and got totally nothing but virtual signals of questionable value. And 15k dubs is actually almost as much as to buy T9 right from shop (using coupon it actually is). 15k dubs if you want to whale can give you multiple AAA games without any RNG involved. Multiple I repeat.

 

But to those thinking that I'm surprised - hell [edited]no. That was to be expected - the bigger the container in WG - the lesser the reward. I only post as reminder for those who intend to actually use credit card.

Good thing in the end I have spent 0 money on WoWs for last 1 year (those dubs were there for God know how long. Glad they are gone - even less reasons to be excited about anything in WoWs.)

[Morski_Dzik]

Just from 2 free crates WG pop out ... Poltava :)

from 4 mega crates pop out camo  5  Mosaic 

                                                               20 New Year Sky

                                                               and 30 Hydras

                                                                and 12500 Coal

                                                               stil 5 cert to go

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

32 minutes ago, Wicket_Boomber said:

Young and naive... how community could do research ? santas gift was released today -_- , you are full of Sh#¤...

You do realise we have last year's statistics, and they ended up giving roughly the same odds that Wargaming announced.
And yes, two people can have the same ship, because not many people actually have Constellation or a lot of the new premiums. So of course those get pulled first when everyone has most of the older ones already. Basically no one on the NA forum has gotten a Constellation. Why? Because they all buy the American ships because a lot of them are Americans. Tirpitz could have been part of a shortlist and no one would notice because almost everyone has a Tirpitz already.

[Gloatover]

Mega Gifts... 

[Kerotomas]

Just don't buy the crates, you won't get any of the rare ships unless you have every other one especially the tier 5-7 ships.

[RuruushuVuiBuritania]

24 minutes ago, Sir_Sinksalot said:

 

You mean snowflakes that are rewarded from T5+ ships or something else? I don't see how that former would have any bearing on how many T10 ships each player within the entire playerbase has or how you can then calculate to claim that 40-50k players have at least 4-5 T10 ships?

 

 

That's not a fact it's an opinion. What is a fact is that players have grinded T10 ships entirely for free. It's also a fact that we win free premium time, boosters, consumable camo with increased XP returns so no, that argument is debunked too. Sure, some players will undoubtedly pay money to purchase premium time and boosters at moments when it suits them to do so but that's still not a logical argument for attributing various rewards to T10 ships only. Even the notion of attributing these same things to T8 and T9 premium ships(A point that I made) would be slightly flawed of me to suggest since some of those can be acquired with coal so if the argument is these rewards are attributed to T10 ships to reward WG's most valued customers, which is obviously those that pay chunky amounts of money, then it would have to be attributed to very selected premium ships of T8 and T9, such as those that can only be purchased for real money and top price at that. No the whole T10 ship because players pay much more money grinding is completely flawed. There's also perma-camo, the mentioned coal ships and free signals that translates into playing higher tiers entirely for free too, no credits really lost, or gained, but still free play without needing a premium account or spending money.

 

 

So you also think the snowflake event is rewarding those who spend the most money? But isn't the vast majority of those ships only tech tree ships which are entirely free? And of those, most are lower tier, cheap, easy to grind for free and also probably obtained from those events for early access simply by plinking down the targets during each time gate... nah, that argument doesn't make sense either. If you're referring to the T10 only ships, it's still free ships at the end of the day. Like I said, I only assumed it was set as T10 ships so not too many players get access to them and of those, not too many have a massive amount of T10 ships so ultimately WG don't end up gifting away lots of free premium ships. That's just a theory obviously I have no way of knowing this.

 

 

Undoubtedly, being the business that it is of course. It just doesn't really make sense though. Like I said if that was the case, which surely it is(as in trying to tailor this game to max out profit), then surely there would be a much greater enticement placed on things that WG know 100% makes money like "cash only" premium ships and selling premium time only as part of a bundle that comes with snowflakes or certs or crates. Sure, we can see that in affect with the premium crates whereby the premium crates that cost real money get way better prizes and % chances than the free crates, but just not so clear with the above incentives. Even if the argument is that this is a move by WG to encourage players to spend money to grind lots of T10 ships asap, then it STILL isn't really that fast is it? You recon about 200 battles per T10 ship? I know a lot of ppl would simply prefer to throw money at jumping to T10 instantly yet this isn't an option, same people sure as F won't be grinding 200 battles lol, let alone a thousand for 5 ships so those people simply won't bother paying for that supposed premium time and boosters WG(or you) think they will.. so it's still not really a good argument as to why WG do it.

So you are basically dedicating entire paragraphs to things that can easily be explained by just knowing how WG has operated over the last couple years.

I have 41 T10s with less than 4000 battles played. It is easily doable. It is all about money and WG knows people will spend. There are more premium ships than there are tech tree ships in T5-T10. I have tried to explain it to you. The Steelwhaling website shows the amount of Certificates (T10s only) that can be collected, which equates to the number of T10s per player that I have specified. They encourage you to spend money or to keep coming back, it cannot be that hard to understand, right? It just comes across as ''why do T10s get all the free stuff and I don't?'' Because they do not care about you. You play coop and Operations, of course they don't. They focus on making monetization as unremarkable or as simple as possible. 

But at this point, let's just agree to disagree.

[Fesvil]

Haters gonna hate, even if you hug them.

 

If you don't want to invest money, don't. As far as I see, WG has complied to most of the whining the users did and some legislations in some countries:

- You now have to confirm your age before you are allowed to purchase these boxes

- There's the disclaimer.

- And finally, the drop chances for everything is disclosed.

 

That doesn't mean we will have users that have no understanding of probability and expect to buy X crates and get the exact percentagewise match to what WG says is the over all chance. I bet those users don't know Yahtzee or have never played it or any dice throwing game for that matter. 

 

Just spend what you think it's worth, ignore all else.

 

And a final note to those that feel that time != money: alllllrighty... Have a nice one.

 

Merry Christmas.

 

-Fes

[BarthalomewKuma]

2 minutes ago, Fesvil said:

Haters gonna hate, even if you hug them.

 

If you don't want to invest money, don't. As far as I see, WG has complied to most of the whining the users did and some legislations in some countries:

- You now have to confirm your age before you are allowed to purchase these boxes

- There's the disclaimer.

- And finally, the drop chances for everything is disclosed.

 

That doesn't mean we will have users that have no understanding of probability and expect to buy X crates and get the exact percentagewise match to what WG says is the over all chance. I bet those users don't know Yahtzee or have never played it or any dice throwing game for that matter. 

 

Just spend what you think it's worth, ignore all else.

 

And a final note to those that feel that time != money: alllllrighty... Have a nice one.

 

Merry Christmas.

 

-Fes

Okay I have lost 0 real money this round and opened 15 mega containers (all resources were gained ingame through various means) ... but it doesnt change the fact that those mega containers others will have to buy for real money - and arguably a lot of money for computer game. You said a lot of words but here is my input :

1. What makes you think there is no shortlist (just because WG said so ?)

2. What makes you think that rates they provided are real ?

3. If they post result later for what dropped out of crates - what are chances this data is real (lets be honest - if rates would look absolutelly abysmal they wouldn't post them for obvious reason but trim them up) ?

 

Yeah you don't have answers to those - and you shouldn't have them, I don't either. But there is really few companies I treat with such mistrust as WG.

They proved so many times they have players in absolute contempt - and that is including paying players (I used to be one) - to such degree that literally they will even go to extents as punish you for sponsoring them. How so ? Well for example in WoT even if you spend tons of money - but you eventually just want to play your vehicles - they will just add new ones so ridiculously powerful that your old ones are there only to suffer and be farmed.

WoWs ain't much better - try using old original gunboats/hybrids to fight new "top dogs in DD fighting" like Ragnar or Smaland in idk Grozovoi or Gearing. Heck even Daring doesnt fare well and it used to be king back then.

So yes ...they do punish paying or not paying players 24/7 - unless they keep paying. While Ragnar may be poor example as it is for steel - then Smaland not so much (was for free xp that you could burn for dubs or just ultra whale from containers now). Point stands - WG hates you even if you spoon feed them for long time - should you dare to stop doing so.

[Sir_Sinksalot]

30 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

So you are basically dedicating entire paragraphs to things that can easily be explained by just knowing how WG has operated over the last couple years.

 

And by entire paragraphs you mean a line or two? Nice dramatization though if you lack the ability to read I can dumb it down to a few words which undoubtedly you would hen peck for flaws hence the slightly more expansive reply more to cover corners from that than anything else... this is another paragraph?

 

30 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

I have 41 T10s with less than 4000 battles played. It is easily doable. It is all about money and WG knows people will spend. 

 

Good for you though again it's debunking your claim since you just outlined now for the second time how easily it is to acquire a T10... when your argument is that WG is rewarding those who spend the most money... right? Since a premium account only gives +50% xp or something like that? Hence if you got 41 T10 ships for spending money on premium time then the free2play bum would have at least 30 ships too? more like 35 since he will get free premium time? Ya no you're spot on. Your argument would basically suggest that WG have an attitude that screws the guy who bought all the expensive higher tier premium ships costing way more money than a few months premium time. Does that make sense to you? Surely you're not that blinkered.

 

30 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

They encourage you to spend money or to keep coming back, it cannot be that hard to understand, right? It just comes across as ''why do T10s get all the free stuff and I don't?'' Because they do not care about you. You play coop and Operations, of course they don't. They focus on making monetization as unremarkable or as simple as possible. 

 

CopyNpaste above comment. If that were true(and the spending money aspect certainly is 100%), then a lot of these rewards would be attributed to specific "money only" premium ships and not free T10 tech tree ships since those can be acquired entirely for free and played entirely for free, regardless of your opinion that would suggest otherwise. Why are these rewards pinned to T10 ships only? It's not money spending customers since we debunked that argument several times over and there was ways to pin them on things that are way more attributed to spending money than simply having T10 fee tech tree ships... it's interesting. If it's indeed because WG think the amount of T10 ships reflects the amount of money a player has spent then like I said, it's a massively flawed mindset but in-keeping with most decisions they've made.

 

30 minutes ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

But at this point, let's just agree to disagree.

 

Indeed, since your logic of WG rewarding those who pay the most money is flawed via the fact T10 ships are entirely free and that you also outlined repeatedly how easy it easy to obtain T10 ships, lots of them at that.

[Bad_Mojo_incoming]

4 hours ago, Strothy said:

Don't forget, there is only one to blame if you buy the crates and don't get what you want....

 

YOU YOURSELF 

Well, no, I got 2 'mega' gifts with the 10 certificates I got off my 10 tierX ships....(Like HELL I'm giving WG a cent more)

-20 Uroboros flags (wow, I'm flattered)

-12.5k coal (this one is good)

 

So basically half worth it, half not.

[S_h_i_v_a]

20 T-X Ships = 4 santa  mega container = 1 T7 Flint cruiser/destroyer hybrid:  the same we will get with asian cruisers. 

 

[ColonelPete]

Got Smolensk froma Free Crate and Leone from a Mega Crate I bought with a certificate.

 

[prokopi123]

I had 9 snowflakes, bought one of each container type. The smaller ones gave some useless stuff, but the only mega one gave a Boise. After I wasted my doublons on the Black Friday "sale" and got nothing, I am not spending any additional money on these...

[tfrtm]

55 minutes ago, Fesvil said:

That doesn't mean we will have users that have no understanding of probability and expect to buy X crates and get the exact percentagewise match to what WG says is the over all chance. I bet those users don't know Yahtzee or have never played it or any dice throwing game for that matter. 

Probability means to get flags from ALL yours mega crates.

Easy to understand this.

[BarthalomewKuma]

10 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Got Smolensk froma Free Crate and Leone from a Mega Crate I bought with a certificate.

 

probably because you are shilling for WG day and night on forums without break. If that is price for getting ships out of containers - I will gladly pass and go empty handed.

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

probably because you are shilling for WG day and night on forums without break. If that is price for getting ships out of containers - I will gladly pass and go empty handed.

Did you not get the present you wanted or why are you in such a bad mood and clueless?

[BarthalomewKuma]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

Did you not get the present you wanted or why are you in such a bad mood and clueless?

ah ol "ColonelPete" and if you don't agree with him you must be in bad mood or clueless - no 3rd option.

 

Biggest WG shill , you never wait long until he posts how amazing company Wargaming is and how generous :DDDDDD.

 

Now click report button to your friendly moderator(there must be intimate relationship between you and them - so I  know retribution is imminent yet I still post that) and tell him there is mean person and needs to be banned or suspended (which is actually good so I won't have reason/possibility to post there anymore = save my time for better crap). Either way ... doesn't matter in the end. Even if I log in - is to play ships not to make 33,153 posts on WoWs forums praising WG day and night. I wouldn't do that even if I was paid real money for such service.

[Wicket_Boomber]

1 hour ago, RuruushuVuiBuritania said:

You do realise we have last year's statistics, and they ended up giving roughly the same odds that Wargaming announced.
And yes, two people can have the same ship, because not many people actually have Constellation or a lot of the new premiums. So of course those get pulled first when everyone has most of the older ones already. Basically no one on the NA forum has gotten a Constellation. Why? Because they all buy the American ships because a lot of them are Americans. Tirpitz could have been part of a shortlist and no one would notice because almost everyone has a Tirpitz already.

Honey , last year was 2020 , this year 2021 WG have other scams , we know % of chance to get ship , so last year stats does not matter ...

[Wieland]

5 hours ago, Jonathan078NL said:

What are the shortlisted ships this year? 

Agincourt

[ColonelPete]

18 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

ah ol "ColonelPete" and if you don't agree with him you must be in bad mood or clueless - no 3rd option.

 

Biggest WG shill , you never wait long until he posts how amazing company Wargaming is and how generous :DDDDDD.

 

Now click report button to your friendly moderator(there must be intimate relationship between you and them - so I  know retribution is imminent yet I still post that) and tell him there is mean person and needs to be banned or suspended (which is actually good so I won't have reason/possibility to post there anymore = save my time for better crap). Either way ... doesn't matter in the end. Even if I log in - is to play ships not to make 33,153 posts on WoWs forums praising WG day and night. I wouldn't do that even if I was paid real money for such service.

Suggest a third option. I do not see one. You have no clue how how these containers work or what I post.

And I did not post how amazing WG is or how generous they are, where is your problem?

 

If I were shilling day and night and WG would reward that, I would get premiums all the time. Considering your theory, there would not be any premiums left to get.

 

If you do not want to post here, just stop it. Did you not think about that or is that too advanced for you?

[pittrivers]

Just to clarify;

'A gift or a present is an item given to someone without the expectation of payment or anything in return'.

[BarthalomewKuma]

38 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Suggest a third option. I do not see one. You have no clue how how these containers work or what I post.

And I did not post how amazing WG is or how generous they are, where is your problem?

 

If I were shilling day and night and WG would reward that, I would get premiums all the time. Considering your theory, there would not be any premiums left to get.

 

If you do not want to post here, just stop it. Did you not think about that or is that too advanced for you?

I know how RNG works better than you  - I have master degeree in mathematics in one of most renwoned unis in world - thats why I haven't bought a single container using real money. Exactly because I know how it works and in particular how WG containers works to be precise. 

Third option is - just because they post "official" rates - doesn't mean that those rates work like that . It is just like I would play game with you and make rules - doesn't mean I have to follow them - I should but how do you know I do ? It is AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

You sound like WG is not infamous for shortlists and whatnot and other hidden mechanics in thier supposed "transparent" policy regarding lootboxes and all sort of containers.

 

You shouldn't debate if posts about WG containers RNG are conspiracy theory - but the other way around - is WG telling truth a conspiracy.

 

Normally I would think you are just new to this game. But you are resident sleeper of this forum. So this is out of question.

 

Also I find it fishy you had no Smolensk - you play this game day and night - and when you don't - you spill filth on forums. 

Given this ship was easy to purchase with Coal or Coal + steel (worth it in that case) - any regular player would be able to purchase it without small problem. Noone even is close to being so active on forums as you do - so I don't buy you didn't hear about Smolensk removal announcement in time ... Pretty amusing situation don't you think so ? Just don't  tell me you didn't want Smolensk , especially when it was being removed ... that noone will buy so save time.

 

How do I know ? I was on 6 months break where I read they remove it and I still managed to buy it scrapping all Coal left + some steel.

But then again every single story you pull off borders with fiction and lunacy so I don't expect any coherency and/or logic from you.

 

Edit : Oh and just don't pull spreadsheet like you always do - for all we know data from WG and especially when it comes to sales is not to be trusted. For a reason and with good history for that.

[ColonelPete]

8 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

I know how RNG works better than you  - I have master degeree in mathematics in one of most renwoned unis in world - thats why I haven't bought a single container using real money. Exactly because I know how it works and in particular how WG containers works to be precise.

Then why do you make such outlandish claims?

8 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

You sound like WG is not infamous for shortlists and whatnot and other hidden mechanics in thier supposed "transparent" policy regarding lootboxes and all sort of containers.

But I never said that...

Why do you claim such a thing?

 

8 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

You shouldn't debate if posts about WG containers RNG are conspiracy theory - but the other way around - is WG telling truth a conspiracy.

I was not debating anything. I was just posting what I got, as do dozens of other people on the forum. I do not see you attacking them.

 

8 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

Also I find it fishy you had no Smolensk - you play this game day and night - and when you don't - you spill filth on forums. 

Given this ship was easy to purchase with Coal or Coal + steel (worth it in that case) - any regular player would be able to purchase it without small problem. Noone even is close to being so active on forums as you do - so I don't buy you didn't hear about Smolensk removal announcement in time ... Pretty amusing situation don't you think so ? Just don't  tell me you didn't want Smolensk , especially when it was being removed ... that noone will buy so save time.

 

How do I know ? I was on 6 months break where I read they remove it and I still managed to buy it scrapping all Coal left + some steel.

Because I do not like the ship and its game design. It makes games more static. Said that often enough on this forum. Wonder why you do not know that, since you claim to know my posts that well...

But you are free to check here:

https://wows-numbers.com/player/529243319,ColonelPete/

That is a third party site.

2 minutes ago, BarthalomewKuma said:

Edit : Oh and just don't pull spreadsheet like you always do - for all we know data from WG and especially when it comes to sales is not to be trusted. For a reason and with good history for that.

I never posted data on sales....