USS Black will be nerfed before being available for coal.

[WorthyOpponent]

 

 

The old owners will also get affected by the change. 

 

here's the Reddit thread: 

Spoiler

 

Personally, I just hope it won't turn into a second Flint or Yueyang case, but we'll see...

I'm searching for something to go for using Coal nowadays,

[Redfoxrommy]

Black is strong ?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

6 minutes ago, Redfoxrommy said:

Black is strong ?

According to WOWS numbers, quite good at winning games, yes. I have it and never considered it to be overly powerful as it's quite passive but it is a good bote nevertheless.

[Redfoxrommy]

Black stats is good beacouse owners  have above avarage skills .( they take it via to reach rank one severel times or buy by steel  )  if its sells like other pre ships it wont be in this current state. 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Can a mod consolidate the two threads, perhaps?

[DDG_121]

Definitely I remember it was only available if you reach Rank1 like three times in a row which was a real grind at the time.

 

So we can safely say owners are good, at least above average IMO

 

Hence the stats are good.

[Hades_warrior]

What a stupid comment by this guy LiveOnEvil. Yea, lets nerf hard earned Missouri, the first special ship in this game just so new players crybabies can buy her with their money. Easy peasy.

[WorthyOpponent]

23 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

What a stupid comment by this guy LiveOnEvil. Yea, lets nerf hard earned Missouri, the first special ship in this game just so new players crybabies can buy her with their money. Easy peasy.

"If I suffer, I must drag everyone else down with me." is a pretty common way of thinking in humanity. 

[fumtu]

39 minutes ago, Zimbiye said:

Definitely I remember it was only available if you reach Rank1 like three times in a row which was a real grind at the time.

 

Black was award for five time reaching R1, Flint was for three times.

 

39 minutes ago, Zimbiye said:

So we can safely say owners are good, at least above average IMO

 

Hence the stats are good.

 

Lot of owners are good, but not all Black players obtained it by reaching R1. Black was sold for steel and was not expensive too, especially if you have coupon. Stats are good because she is a great ship, not just because of players.

[WeGreedy]

I don't have Black, I don't want Black and I think she is fine.

She maybe was strong some time ago.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

What a stupid comment by this guy LiveOnEvil. Yea, lets nerf hard earned Missouri, the first special ship in this game just so new players crybabies can buy her with their money. Easy peasy.

 

The Misery scandal is not directly comparable, because the Missouri is a premium ship that was available for Free XP and the token price of 1 (one) credit. So, the Missouri is not a special ship but one of the old true premium ships that we thought WG(mz) would not dare to touch.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

The Misery scandal is not directly comparable, because the Missouri is a premium ship that was available for Free XP and the token price of 1 (one) credit. So, the Missouri is not a special ship but one of the old true premium ships that we thought WG(mz) would not dare to touch.

WG touched my premium Atlanta quite a bit around 0.8.0. :(

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, Europizza said:

WG touched my premium Atlanta quite a bit around 0.8.0. :(

 

You mean the general change that pretty much wrecked AA for all ships?

 

It also wrecked my cruiser play .. in general (**** you ever so much WG ).. because I used to run most of my CL/CA's with AA builds to have the ability to support the capital ships and DD's in battle.

[Hades_warrior]

4 hours ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

The Misery scandal is not directly comparable, 

Actually it is because crybabies wanna have all the good stuff, but without hard work as others obtained the same ships.

And if they can get only nerfed versions they will riot to nerf it for everyone else as well which is quiet dumb.

Its logic to make return of some legendary ships that was (very) hard to get with some nerf tweaks IF they (weegee) plan to make her much easier to get (or even easiest with $$$).

[Bybernd]

Ok then make the old ships aviable for their old conditions, so we can have equal work.

[Verblonde]

8 hours ago, Redfoxrommy said:

Black is strong ?

I think she's pretty decent, and my stats seem to support that, although it's a tiny data-set (and my Benham results are also included as they illustrate the problem with using personal experience to form a view on this sort of thing):

 

 

(My overall DD WR is only 49.56%, *but* I did get Black towards the end of her availability, so I sucked a bit less than I did previously.)

 

My suspicion is that Black's stats will crater when the regular customer base gets their hands on her, mainly because the average player seems to not know how to get the most out of DD radar (even if protected by smoke), and it's quite hard to hit anything with the sea mines. My concern is that WG will over-do the nerfing before getting enough data from the Great Unwashed, as it were.

 

I'm not reaching for my pitchforks just yet though; quite apart from anything else, I have Orkan, Smaland, and Ragnar, and - in the current radar-heavy meta - you can make a case for taking at least two of them over Black.

 

I wonder what they'll do to Black; an easy one (that isn't all one-way) might be to give her RN smoke? She still keeps her defining party piece, whilst not being able to sit for hours in US smoke, spamming the opposition? People might not object to that, as RN smoke is more use against planes?

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, Hades_warrior said:

Actually it is because crybabies wanna have all the good stuff, but without hard work as others obtained the same ships.

And if they can get only nerfed versions they will riot to nerf it for everyone else as well which is quiet dumb.

Its logic to make return of some legendary ships that was (very) hard to get with some nerf tweaks IF they (weegee) plan to make her much easier to get (or even easiest with $$$).

 

Then again, Missouri was not directly nerfed performancewise, merely powercrept to oblivion. Also, the gimmicky Missouri credit mission goes some way of mediating the problem for those who originally splashed the free XP on the ship. In some ways I'm happy the Missouri (as the legendary ship, not as the credit printer of all time) is now available for the 'crybabies' who missed it the first time around.

 

If what I'm reading behind the lines is that you are implying the Black will soon also be available in a Premium Shop near you, I tend to agree finding that a very distinct possibility. I'm also thinking that those players who either got the original Black as a ranked reward or grinded for the steel needed to get it got shafted here. In this regard, it's definitely a more clear cut difference to the case with the Missouri (even though practically every old time owner would rather have the original baked in credit multiplier and a separate version of the Missouri for the new players).

[Verblonde]

4 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

If what I'm reading behind the lines is that you are implying the Black will soon also be available in a Premium Shop near you, I tend to agree finding that a very distinct possibility.

My guess would be Satan Box bait, as that's the model they've followed with Neustra (so far, anyway)...

[SeaWolf7]

13 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

My guess would be Satan Box bait, 

More than likely, obviously to boost sales i guess.

I don't really understand how WG think this is a good thing for there customers? Soooo is this like a Belfast thing again?.

 

"we will redo the Belfast and call it a Belfast even tough it performs nothing like a Belfast and has no traits like the Original Belfast"

(ps we reserve the right to change any of the changes after you have purchased said item: WG)

 

But if you have the ORiginal black then its untouched?

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, SeaWolf7 said:

More than likely, obviously to boost sales i guess.

Soooo is this like a Belfast thing again?.

 

"we will redo the Belfast and call it a Belfast even tough it performs nothing like a Belfast and has no traits like the Original Belfast"

(ps we reserve the right to change any of the changes after you have purchased said item: WG)

 

But if you have the ORiginal black then its untouched?

 

 

No, it will get touched as well.

[SeaWolf7]

8 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

No, it will get touched as well.

 

 

I think this is incredibly bad actually.

Didn't you get rewarded the Black back in the day when you reached rank 1 3x in old ranked?  

Id be pissed after all that effort tbh.

 

 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

Black because of having Radar alone and therefore massive influence in caps in combination with smoke is obviously highly influential on winning the early game and therefore most times the late game too. I would go as far as to say that anyone denying Black being to strong would be the same as saying that Enterprise after the rocket nerf isn't to strong anymore is just delusional

[Hades_warrior]

1 hour ago, Bybernd said:

Ok then make the old ships aviable for their old conditions, so we can have equal work.

It wouldn't be an equal work if they make them for their old conditions.

Like I was talking about Missouri. He's value at the time was 750,000 free EXP, but nowadays you get that amount in very short time. So what equal work would be 2 mil. free EXP, or better to say, 3 mil., if you look how much time the grind would consume.

 

On the subject of Black, I think they should nerf it for the comeback into Armoy for Coal. Black owners get her for 3x Rank 1 back at the time when Ranked was still playable compared to this and last year.

 

31 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

(even though practically every old time owner would rather have the original baked in credit multiplier and a separate version of the Missouri for the new players).

Yes, that would be somehow fair enough (since they already did bring her back for a short time window).

Imagine having credit printer ship that you had to grind nearly one full year to get it and than some new player comes with their money and get her with 2 mouse clicks.

Every other Original Missouri owner like me can understand me very well.

[fumtu]

26 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

l wonder what they'll do to Black; an easy one (that isn't all one-way) might be to give her RN smoke?

WG wants to make her weaker, not stronger, and RN smoke would definitely make her stronger. 
 

My guess would be either putting smoke and radar on the same slot or, mor likely, temper with soft stats like concealment or reload.

 

23 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

If what I'm reading behind the lines is that you are implying the Black will soon also be available in a Premium Shop near you, I tend to agree finding that a very distinct possibility.

 

 

WG just said that they would need to see what they will change and to test those changes and that everything will be announced in dev blog, and you expecting that they will do that in short period of time? They were provoked on thos response now, it was not planned announcement. So don’t expect it any time soon, probably not before spring or summer next year.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

4 minutes ago, Hades_warrior said:

 

Like I was talking about Missouri. He's value at the time was 750,000 free EXP, but nowadays you get that amount in very short time.

 

 

How, exactly?