[BOATY] The_Chiv Players 1,592 posts 18,060 battles Report post #1 Posted December 8, 2021 Recently @Iearlgrey posted a tweet about ubisoft introducing NFT cosmetics into game. This got me thinking a bit. Is this something WG would do? Well.... I digress... The question is what else would WG do to make money? LOOTBOXES: Well loot boxes were a great cash cow, but the backlash they got over them has been pretty detrimental to their profits and now with the forced release of their drop rates consumers will be informed and thus they probably wont be making as much off them in the future. WG will naturally try to replace this lost revenue any way they can. Youtube Premium Subscriptions: This one was just recently implemented and just feels like a stupid idea. Personally I know that I only watch these videos for codes/giveaways/ and to see Dasha do the patch updates. I can not say that I have ever gone back and rewatched a video, or even watched one that didnt have any of the before mentioned items. Dont get me wrong they are well made, but I think I would much rather spend my time and money else where. NFT Cosmetics: I can 100% see Wargaming latching onto this concept. Imagine they do a Collab with say Jurassic World 3. There will be the obvious crap camos, then the ones everyone wants, and then special limited edition ones with animations and effects as well as a number posted on the side of the hull. These Camos can be trade or even sold to other players with a trade cost being say 10% that WG would collect. Now imagine thousands of these types of skins and an exchange with market values for said skins. This could be extremely risky for sustainability but would make a whole hell of a lot of money for WG. NFT LIMITED EDITION SHIPS: Now we are moving away from cosmetics and instead we are looking at selling limited quantity special ships. No not Reskins of existing ships like say the Des Moines, but one of a kind special ships with unique stats, and performances. In short, PAY 2 WIN(as long as you are not a moron). Add in that exchange I brought up previously and you can start seeing some machinations of massive profits. WEGE COIN: WG crypto currencies. Now before you ask why would you ever buy into something like this, well... The crypto can be farmed by playing. Achieve over x amount of Base xp to generate a extremely low amount of said coin like 1500bxp= .005 wege coin. Oh yes and you must first buy into the coin system at a stake of 1k coins before you start to generate. Said coins would also be another way you can buy or trade NFT items. This would in effect muddy the waters for any sort of traditional book keeping and thus make any sort of regulatory action extremely difficult to prove. Now I know what you all are thinking. "CHIV STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS FFS". Trust me I am not giving them any ideas they have not already considered at least half a dozen times. This is more a cautionary warning to you the customer. Remember at the end of the day WG is a company. Their sole concern is the generation of profits for the least amount of effort and investment. 3 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #2 Posted December 8, 2021 CHIV STOP GIVING THEM STUPID IDEAS FFS!! 7 14 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #3 Posted December 8, 2021 I expect some of that to happen. That will increase my spending on the game tenfold. From zero euros to ten times zero euros. 3 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] The_Chiv Players 1,592 posts 18,060 battles Report post #4 Posted December 8, 2021 Just now, Bindolaf_Werebane said: I expect some of that to happen. That will increase my spending on the game tenfold. From zero euros to ten times zero euros. Ahhh but here is the catch. You are not the consumer they are targeting. With a system like this you can easily shift around tons of money. Money that may come from less then reputable activities... This isnt even something new to be honest with you. Historically Art has been used as a means of money laundering but in the past 3 years massive regulations have come into effect thus limiting this avenue. Now with NFTs having no regulations and crypto having very little regulations, one could easily combine these two together and in fact clean any dirty money and WG could turn a 10% profit. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,647 battles Report post #5 Posted December 8, 2021 stupid question but anyway: What's NFT ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R_N_G] Bindolaf_Werebane Players 1,387 posts 12,045 battles Report post #6 Posted December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: stupid question but anyway: What's NFT ? Here is how I understand it. Each picture on the internet (like a gif) has a source, the first one created if you will. People have been buying those for tons of money. You will ask "but anyone can download those and repost them". Yes, but those are not the original! (yes, it's at best a money laundering scheme, at worst a bubble, a scam). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] The_Chiv Players 1,592 posts 18,060 battles Report post #7 Posted December 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: stupid question but anyway: What's NFT ? Non-fungible tokens. To put it simply. You know how you can buy in real life a limited edition of something and normally that something will have a little plate saying 0001 of 9999? Similar concept but instead of something tangible, it is something digital. Mostly being applied to Art but now soon to be applied to cosmetic skins for video games thanks to Ubisoft. NFT's use a similar Blockchain system to Crypto currencies. Thus you can buy and sell them and they can appreciate or depreciate in value. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] The_Chiv Players 1,592 posts 18,060 battles Report post #8 Posted December 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said: Here is how I understand it. Each picture on the internet (like a gif) has a source, the first one created if you will. People have been buying those for tons of money. You will ask "but anyone can download those and repost them". Yes, but those are not the original! (yes, it's at best a money laundering scheme, at worst a bubble, a scam). Just because you own an NFT does not mean you own the rights to the picture. At best it is like a lithograph print of a famous work of art. Normally done in a limited quantity and still of value but no where near the value of the original. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,647 battles Report post #9 Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, The_Chiv said: Non-fungible tokens. To put it simply. You know how you can buy in real life a limited edition of something and normally that something will have a little plate saying 0001 of 9999? Similar concept but instead of something tangible, it is something digital. Mostly being applied to Art but now soon to be applied to cosmetic skins for video games thanks to Ubisoft. NFT's use a similar Blockchain system to Crypto currencies. Thus you can buy and sell them and they can appreciate or depreciate in value. Then these only make sense if you can trade. In WoWs this is NOT possible and you cannot view the inventory of another player. Anyway, the whole system needs an impartial certification authority that cannot be fudged. Given WGs history on "changing the deal as they see fit", their trustworthiness is not a guarantee for anything of this sort. Same for Ubisoft/Activision/EA and the like ... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RuruushuVuiBuritania Players 695 posts 5,720 battles Report post #10 Posted December 8, 2021 Given that NFTs are just glorified money laundering, I am interested to see if they will survive long enough to be adopted on mass by the gaming industry, after being doomed to die just like crypto, when governments catch up and get their hands on it... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HPF] Ocsimano18 Players 3,476 posts 13,949 battles Report post #11 Posted December 8, 2021 Who the #@&% would pay for NFT having no value except scarcity? Scarcity itself has no worth, except if you can use it as a currency. Using game items as a currency makes no sense. There are buyers for everything, but a sane person would not get them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #12 Posted December 8, 2021 Vor 12 Minuten, Ocsimano18 sagte: Who the #@&% would pay for NFT having no value except scarcity? The same brittle minds who bought the Schlieffen or other EA "scarce" crap? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #13 Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Hugh_Ruka said: stupid question but anyway: What's NFT ? Not a stupid question. Below is a link to English Wikipedia. There are doubtless many other sources of information out there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] MementoMori_6030 [NECRO] Players 6,381 posts Report post #14 Posted December 8, 2021 And at this very moment, Judit Polgar has announced some personal NFT artwork during her commentary of the Chess World Championship... apparently, NFT is today's hot stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LADA] Gvozdika [LADA] Players 975 posts 10,423 battles Report post #15 Posted December 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said: Who the #@&% would pay for NFT having no value except scarcity? Scarcity itself has no worth, except if you can use it as a currency. Using game items as a currency makes no sense. There are buyers for everything, but a sane person would not get them. Simple - Muppets. There are five great forces at work in the universe. Gravity, Electromagnetism, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force and Muppets. That last one happens to form the core of WG's best paying customers. 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Maris_Piper Players 2,012 posts Report post #16 Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Camperdown said: CHIV STOP GIVING THEM STUPID IDEAS FFS!! Pleeeaaaassse Stop it Chiv, the WeGe ministry of Dumb Idea's is running on Overdrive as it is 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #17 Posted December 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Procrastes said: Not a stupid question. Below is a link to English Wikipedia. There are doubtless many other sources of information out there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-fungible_token And if anyone wants a real headache, spend a couple of hours looking into the taxation of fungible assets. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #18 Posted December 8, 2021 59 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: Then these only make sense if you can trade. In WoWs this is NOT possible and you cannot view the inventory of another player. Have you met our playerbase? They will latch on no matter what. MoMoneyThenSense ^^ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,647 battles Report post #19 Posted December 8, 2021 17 minutes ago, Europizza said: Have you met our playerbase? They will latch on no matter what. MoMoneyThenSense ^^ You do have a point there ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[I-J-N] Karasu_Browarszky [I-J-N] Players 13,025 posts Report post #20 Posted December 8, 2021 Anyone want to come up and see my NFT's? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mad_Dog_Dante Players 6,636 posts Report post #21 Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Ocsimano18 said: a sane person would not get them. Stop making a solid businesscase for NFT's plz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SodaBubbles Players 1,553 posts 1,028 battles Report post #22 Posted December 8, 2021 Dammit. I blocked the term 'NFT' on most of my social media websites..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RAIN] GarrusBrutus Players 3,711 posts 12,557 battles Report post #23 Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, The_Chiv said: Now with NFTs having no regulations and crypto having very little regulations, one could easily combine these two together and in fact clean any dirty money and WG could turn a 10% profit. Straight to gulag with you, Chiv! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[S-E] FixCVs_Nautical_Metaphor Players 3,532 posts 29,240 battles Report post #24 Posted December 8, 2021 Let's play a game. I call it "Giving Wargaming Bad Ideas". Whoever comes up with the most interesting and lucrative new scheme for them, wins. The first and most obvious step for WG is to finally introduce mines. After all, they are what gave the Italian navy some of their biggest successes in WWII. Historical accuracy!!1 Users of course need to buy mines if they want to use mines, and there would of course be regular mines for credits but also premium mines for doubloons. And a half year after introducing the mines, and three months after introducing a paid-in-advance mine delivery subscription service, they could then introduce degaussing for selected ships (for a small fee), which renders mines ineffective on selected ships. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[AMOC] NewHorizons_1 [AMOC] Players 3,860 posts 46,919 battles Report post #25 Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Gvozdika said: Simple - Muppets. There are five great forces at work in the universe. Gravity, Electromagnetism, Strong Nuclear Force, Weak Nuclear Force and Muppets. That last one happens to form the core of WG's best paying customers. Can't remember where I saw it but "The Universe is made from protons, neutrons, electrons and m0r0ns" always tickled my physics funny bone. I thought for a second there you were going to equate WG with Dark Energy. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites