How to Spend your Steel?

[Ocsimano18]

I’ve the Bourgogne as my first steel ship, and will have enough steel to buy anything with the coupon.

 

I’m kind of interested in 3 ships, but not enough to be able to decide.

 

1. Stalingrad, because of the OP guns. I don’t like the playstyle of the Moskva, because of the punier guns. Stalingrad got nerfed heavily since her release, I’m not sure if she is still a good choice. She could also be removed to make room for Sevastopol, but getting a steel port queen is a kind of waste.

2. Shikishima. I kind of like the Yamato with the legendary module, and play her occassionally. Shiki has better AA and secondaries, so it might worth to get her. However, the upcoming release of Satsuma, could render getting the Shiki less useful.

3. Ragnar. The main reason to get her would be her being OP. But, I already have the Smaland. Also I prefer hunting DDs and torping BBs, instead of farming them with dakka-dakka.

4. I can hold on to my steel for an upcoming ship getting too much love from the developers. (Sevastopol?). I can grind one steel ship per year, so I could play the OP ship upon release, having the longest unnerfed meta playtime.

 

Which option would you choose?

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

I have Ragnar (not OP, but fun) and don't care about Stalingrad or Shikishima. Thus I'd keep my steel.

 

[Panocek]

3 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

1. Stalingrad, because of the OP guns. I don’t like the playstyle of the Moskva, because of the punier guns. Stalingrad got nerfed heavily since her release, I’m not sure if she is still a good choice. She could also be removed to make room for Sevastopol, but getting a steel port queen is a kind of waste.

Stalingrad as I've found out is basically Moskva+

 

Guns have very high penetration, comparable to NorCal/SoDak 406mm guns which sounds impressive... except you still can't punch through angled main belts of T10 battleships outside of yolo ranges. Flat broadsides are fine, but against such targets Petro is just as effective. However, unlike Petro, her HE shells are actually decent in damage, fire chance and penetration, also her long range accuracy doesn't suffer as much.

 

71k hp takes some time to dismantle with non citadel hits, but fires can be legitimate concern. Citadel while is not Moskva-high, its still not something to show to the enemy.

 

For cautious, methodical playstyle, she is still good ship, but any moments of bravery with hint of yolo can send you back to port sooner than later, just like Moskva.

[Wulf_Ace]

25 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I’ve the Bourgogne as my first steel ship, and will have enough steel to buy anything with the coupon.

 

I’m kind of interested in 3 ships, but not enough to be able to decide.

 

1. Stalingrad, because of the OP guns. I don’t like the playstyle of the Moskva, because of the punier guns. Stalingrad got nerfed heavily since her release, I’m not sure if she is still a good choice. She could also be removed to make room for Sevastopol, but getting a steel port queen is a kind of waste.

2. Shikishima. I kind of like the Yamato with the legendary module, and play her occassionally. Shiki has better AA and secondaries, so it might worth to get her. However, the upcoming release of Satsuma, could render getting the Shiki less useful.

3. Ragnar. The main reason to get her would be her being OP. But, I already have the Smaland. Also I prefer hunting DDs and torping BBs, instead of farming them with dakka-dakka.

4. I can hold on to my steel for an upcoming ship getting too much love from the developers. (Sevastopol?). I can grind one steel ship per year, so I could play the OP ship upon release, having the longest unnerfed meta playtime.

 

Which option would you choose?

you dont have Stalingrad komrad??

 

that thing is a cruiser with yamato stalinium shells, armor of a kurfurst, survavability of a Maus, speed of a kleber. 

No ,really, i am not a fan of russian fantasy ships but that thing if gets nerfed by 50% he would still be in top 5 ships! You look at the guns and think, meh they are not that strong, then you go in game and fire them and question yourself am I in yamato or stalingrad,hmm BUT komrade he has flat firing arcs, so you hit perfect citadels.

I HATE myself for saying to you ,but stalingrad is a must ship,even if you have Petropavlovsk.

[GulvkluderGuld]

I still play my stalingrad. The guns are just so amazing it never gets old, they are not comparable to Moskvas at all. Nerfs to radar duration isnt a dealbreaker. 

 But is has a methodical, deliberate playstyle. Big citadel the main downside.

 

Shikishima I'm at a loss to see what it brings to the table that YamaSushi dont already bring (AA? phooey)

 

Ragnar I've only limited experience with so far but like it. Was adviced it can be a superioer Småland and so far limited engagements in CBs have proven that right, although there are major differences.

Offensively, 150 mm guns means 30 mm pen and better ballistics to farm cruisers. The greatest advantage is defensive though: 25 mm plating to shatter most gunboat DD HE shells. 

Twice as strong 4 km AA zone compared to Småland, but no torps - it is a uncompromisingly a gunboat by design but with all the consumables and gunboat playstyle you know from Småland and even better guns.

[tocqueville8]

37 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

3. Ragnar. The main reason to get her would be her being OP. But, I already have the Smaland. Also I prefer hunting DDs and torping BBs, instead of farming them with dakka-dakka.

 

Keep in mind that Ragnar can farm cruisers as well (with some care): she's got 152 mm guns, meaning she can pen 30 mm with HE, a common cruiser plating.

 

I haven't looked into it, but I'm assuming she can also citadel cruisers with AP at a decent range. Her guns are also MUCH more accurate than the Smaland's.

[tocqueville8]

2 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Shikishima I'm at a loss to see what it brings to the table that YamaSushi dont already bring (AA? phooey)

 

 

1) Actual AA: 10 flak bursts, plus the Yamy doesn't have ANY mid-range aura, and the least said about the Musashi the better...

2) 30 mm stock pen on the secondaries, meaning she can melt most cruisers as well as anything British or French, if she can get close enough

[Trench4nt]

Vor 1 Stunde, Ocsimano18 sagte:

1. Stalingrad, because of the OP guns. I don’t like the playstyle of the Moskva, because of the punier guns. Stalingrad got nerfed heavily since her release, I’m not sure if she is still a good choice. She could also be removed to make room for Sevastopol, but getting a steel port queen is a kind of waste.

 

Well, they did not nerf gun characteristics nor the armour scheme. They nerfed radar duration and reload. You still find recently published matches with 350k+ dmg on youtube. So I do not think it is a "heavy" nerf. 

 

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2. Shikishima. I kind of like the Yamato with the legendary module, and play her occassionally. Shiki has better AA and secondaries, so it might worth to get her. However, the upcoming release of Satsuma, could render getting the Shiki less useful.

 

Okay, opposite argumentation: you grind a couple of month steel for getting a Yamato with improved AA. I doubt whether the AA really protects you against CVs (think of Nakhimov). In addition, even an average CV player (like me) in a Haku can do massive damage to lonely sailing Shikis. The AA argument is not that substantial. It has never been.

You should chose Shikishima if you love Yamato. If you only like her then continue playing with he legendary upgrade because it is more efficient.

 

Zitat

3. Ragnar. The main reason to get her would be her being OP. But, I already have the Smaland. Also I prefer hunting DDs and torping BBs, instead of farming them with dakka-dakka.

 

Watched a twich stream of a Ragnar player today (a unicum one). It cost him 8min(!) to "farm" a two ship Vladivostok div that obviously had specked into fire prevention. He was successful only after his Kremlin div mate helped him and got 67k dmg... Ragnar is OP in the sense that it can hunt down destroyers with its radar heal combination and then start BB farming at long range (cause you are very clumsy without boost). The damage number is mainly driven by the type of BB you get. After a careful evaluation, I do not prefer this kind of playstlye because you are constantly looking for farming targets. Of you like Khaba, take her.

 

Zitat

4. I can hold on to my steel for an upcoming ship getting too much love from the developers. (Sevastopol?). I can grind one steel ship per year, so I could play the OP ship upon release, having the longest unnerfed meta playtime.

 

Maybe Incomparable also will be released for steel. Although Sevastopol looks quite strong, the current armour layout of the mid section only consist of 30mm of plating. Therefore, it seems the ship is made for "range sniping". It is somewhat comparable to Stalingrad but without radar and, bow-in, it fires four shells only plus a long reload.

 

 

[GulvkluderGuld]

20 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

1) Actual AA: 10 flak bursts, plus the Yamy doesn't have ANY mid-range aura, and the least said about the Musashi the better...

2) 30 mm stock pen on the secondaries, meaning she can melt most cruisers as well as anything British or French, if she can get close enough

Well I dont like BB playstyle of click-wait 30s-click much so I'm probably biased.

 

Mushi has T9 MM and dont see CVs as often as it sees tier 7 ships 

Shiki afaik still has the Yamato hull with the known weakness under the turrets. That being so, getting into secondary range doesnt seem advisable.

[WorthyOpponent]

I personally buy Made of Steel camos so the T10s I grinded have a reason to be actually used. 
But if I were to make that choice, I would say you can never go wrong with Russian ships. Being able to use Kuznetsov alone is a huge trait. No fire prevention anymore sucks but should be managable. 

[tocqueville8]

50 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Well I dont like BB playstyle of click-wait 30s-click much so I'm probably biased.

 

With the reload mod, she shoots every 24 seconds.

 

50 minutes ago, GulvkluderGuld said:

Shiki afaik still has the Yamato hull with the known weakness under the turrets. That being so, getting into secondary range doesnt seem advisable.

 

Sure. Or you can angle against the big guns while your secondaries dunk on some poor cruiser.

I mean...I used to do okay with a secondary République, and while that's a lot harder to citadel, she melts under HE spam. It's all down to circumstances...

[surfer_gr]

what should i get any ideas?

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Stalingrad is still excellent but its very static in gameplay and now is number one target for fires.

Best guns in the game though.

If you don't like Moskva, it might not be the best choice.

Ragnar looks excellent and will be my purchase next week, It is certainly more a farmer than Smalland though as it has much better shell speed and accuracy.

 

With Implacable and the new russian supercruiser coming, saving steel is not a bad option

[Mr_Frost_UI]

39 minutes ago, surfer_gr said:

what should i get any ideas?

 

I got Austin and its rly fun .. if you have patience that is , ALOT of it since its an occasional ship.

A DD killer and broadside farmer but you gotta keep those islands tight as hell.

I dont own the other 3

[HMS_Britannia]

Waiting to spend my steel/coupon until they announce what incomparable will be for 

[KruppStahl14]

Tough choice tbh.
I also went for Bourgogne first. But i regret it because french BBs are not my case. It need armour and firepower in the opponents face and no glass cannon with low caliber guns which have super bad accuracy on top. Horrible combination for me.

Didnt get Shikishima because i own both Yamato and Musashi. Shiki offers no advantage over Yamato in terms of overmatch and has three guns less. It only has this amazing firing sound.

Stalingrad is very strong even after multiple nerfs. But i already have much more soviet dreamboats in my port than i ever wanted. Doesnt feel right to play them.

FDR is busted but exclusive for people who enjoy playing the god class.

Austin is junk without reload booster active. Just a meme gimmick ship.

Plymouth is for RN CL enjoyers who want an alternative to Mino.

And Ragnar a meta Radar DD without torps. Friesland/Groningen enjoyers will like her i guess. But if you got Smaland you have the better one.

 

Aside from FDR nothing really broken. Which is fine compared to WoT. Which ship suits you really depends on which playstyle you like. And there they offer quite a variety.

[WalkingDutchman]

Stalin was my first steel ship. She was absolutely OP back in the day but I would strongly advise against spending your steel on it now. In the current CB season it's still great to have but that's because we're playing without CV. If you plan on taking your steel ship for a spin in randoms, as I presume you do, you're going to encounter plenty of airscum. And unfortunately for the Stalin, those games are not its forte. You'll basically have to play your Stalin like any other backrow cruiser and you'll be left regretting your decision.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

9 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

 

Keep in mind that Ragnar can farm cruisers as well (with some care): she's got 152 mm guns, meaning she can pen 30 mm with HE, a common cruiser plating.

 

I haven't looked into it, but I'm assuming she can also citadel cruisers with AP at a decent range. Her guns are also MUCH more accurate than the Smaland's.

I have looked into it. She can 

 

If I had to say two things about Ragnar, they'd be "accuracy" and "armor". Fun ship, but not easy.

[_HomTanks_]

11 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

.I can grind one steel ship per year

Then, hold on to your steel for now until a new steel ship is introduced.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

12 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I’ve the Bourgogne as my first steel ship, and will have enough steel to buy anything with the coupon.

 

I’m kind of interested in 3 ships, but not enough to be able to decide.

 

1. Stalingrad, because of the OP guns. I don’t like the playstyle of the Moskva, because of the punier guns. Stalingrad got nerfed heavily since her release, I’m not sure if she is still a good choice. She could also be removed to make room for Sevastopol, but getting a steel port queen is a kind of waste.

2. Shikishima. I kind of like the Yamato with the legendary module, and play her occassionally. Shiki has better AA and secondaries, so it might worth to get her. However, the upcoming release of Satsuma, could render getting the Shiki less useful.

3. Ragnar. The main reason to get her would be her being OP. But, I already have the Smaland. Also I prefer hunting DDs and torping BBs, instead of farming them with dakka-dakka.

4. I can hold on to my steel for an upcoming ship getting too much love from the developers. (Sevastopol?). I can grind one steel ship per year, so I could play the OP ship upon release, having the longest unnerfed meta playtime.

 

Which option would you choose?

 

I am in similar position - I buy Steel ship once a year with 25% Coupon OFF (around Christmas):

 

2019 = Stalingrad

2020 = Burgogne

2021 = ?

 

 

I am really undecided...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[Panocek]

3 hours ago, KruppStahl14 said:

Stalingrad is very strong even after multiple nerfs. But i already have much more soviet dreamboats in my port than i ever wanted. Doesnt feel right to play them

Amusingly, Stalingrad is "soviet dreamboat" that actually started materializing into reality, even if she ended as incomplete hull.

 

Which is more than rest of available Steel ships barring FDR can say about themselves

[TheAlba2014]

Hi all, didn't want to start a whole new thread (there's been a lot of "which ship for x"), but I'm finally in a position to buy my first steel ship, essentially I think it boils down to Stalingrad or Bourgogne?

 

Any thoughts as to what would be the better 1st pick (baring in mind things like potential removal etc...I don't envisage having enough steel any time soon to pick another up before removal if that were to happen).

[Captain_Breeze]

1 minute ago, TheAlba2014 said:

Hi all, didn't want to start a whole new thread (there's been a lot of "which ship for x"), but I'm finally in a position to buy my first steel ship, essentially I think it boils down to Stalingrad or Bourgogne?

 

Any thoughts as to what would be the better 1st pick (baring in mind things like potential removal etc...I don't envisage having enough steel any time soon to pick another up before removal if that were to happen).

Personally, I'd opt for Stalingrad.

 

Aside: I like your Para Handy Profile Picture. 

 

 

[TheAlba2014]

2 minutes ago, Captain_Breeze said:

Personally, I'd opt for Stalingrad.

 

Aside: I like your Para Handy Profile Picture. 

 

 

Thanks Breeze, been watching various vids on YT trying to decide, it's a close one. Not sure if Stalingrad would ever be in line to get removed, plus addition of the superships may change things up too.

 

On the pic, yeah, the good 'ol Vital Spark, wonder if they'll have Clyde puffers in the new dockyard since the Clyde is finally going to be in the game!

[Captain_Breeze]

2 minutes ago, TheAlba2014 said:

Thanks Breeze, been watching various vids on YT trying to decide, it's a close one. Not sure if Stalingrad would ever be in line to get removed, plus addition of the superships may change things up too.

 

On the pic, yeah, the good 'ol Vital Spark, wonder if they'll have Clyde puffers in the new dockyard since the Clyde is finally going to be in the game!

Aye, I saw that, the Clyde Dockyard, nice touch by WG. The wee puffers would be "Chust Sublime" as Para would say.....lol.

 

As to what ships may or may not be removed I have no idea.

 

I find with the Bourgogne that she is a target for HE spammers and she burns down quick, but then I prefer dd's and Cruisers better.

They are both good ships though. The Stalingrad is great at cits and very rewarding, for me anyway.

 

Good luck with your choice