Another coal thread

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Yes, it's another coal thread, but I don't want to hijack another. I need opinions on what to get next.

 

I had decided to get Marceau. I am not good at DDs (but relatively good at FR cruisers), but getting better. Also I wonder if Marceau will get removed next.

 

But then two things happened: Napoli was released and I unlocked Hindenburg (plus GK is getting special status).

 

I enjoy cruisers (I know, right?). Should I get Napoli instead of Marceau? Or get Lütjens and laugh maniacally in my Hindenburg (and GK, I guess), as I burn everything to the ground?

 

Decisions, decisions...

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

Sounds to me like you have no bad choices there. I am still undecided between Yoshino and Napoli, leaning towards Yoshino because I don't know how much longer she'll be in the armory (although I have no reason to think she'll be removed any time soon). 

Marceau is SO much fun, and I suck at DD's and especially at warp 10 DD's. Lutjens is a must-have Ze Germans a lot, he can make the difference between dying and surviving. 

So good luck with your choice, you can't really go wrong. 👍

[ColorsOfRainbows]

7 minutes ago, PsychoClownfish said:

Sounds to me like you have no bad choices there. I am still undecided between Yoshino and Napoli, leaning towards Yoshino because I don't know how much longer she'll be in the armory (although I have no reason to think she'll be removed any time soon). 

Marceau is SO much fun, and I suck at DD's and especially at warp 10 DD's. Lutjens is a must-have Ze Germans a lot, he can make the difference between dying and surviving. 

So good luck with your choice, you can't really go wrong. 👍

So ur whole post is saying u cant help? XD

 

I also would wish some ideas forwhatcoal ship to get

[___RadioActive____]

If you're not good with dds just get the Napoli. You'll enjoy it  

[principat121]

2 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Or get Lütjens and laugh maniacally in my Hindenburg

Yes. That would be my recommandation. Lütjens is not the strongest of the unique commanders, but he can be utilized in cruisers, battleships, destoyer and carrier. And that is a neat feature.

 

Every ship removement is announced at least two months before from Wargaming. So there is no haste to make a dicision right now if you are in doubt. There is no urge to spend your coal, just safe it until are have a clear vision in mind.

 

Maybe in 6 months WG releases a fantastic new cruiser for coal and you might regret your dicision from today.

[tocqueville8]

I think it's important to understand that Hindenburg has almost 70% more HE DPM than Napoli, and about 120% more AP DPM.

 

And more range.

 

And more torps up close.

 

And an excellent hydro or Def AA.

 

Napoli has great concealment, smoke and some fantastic secondaries, but she pays a veeeeeery hefty price for them in any long-range fight, and there are plenty of those at T10...

 

Napoli can be fun, but I'd get Marceau first.

[SodaBubbles]

1 minute ago, tocqueville8 said:

I think it's important to understand that Hindenburg has almost 70% more HE DPM than Napoli, and about 120% more AP DPM.

 

And more range.

 

And more torps up close.

 

And an excellent hydro or Def AA.

 

Napoli has great concealment, smoke and some fantastic secondaries, but she pays a veeeeeery hefty price for them in any long-range fight, and there are plenty of those at T10...

 

Napoli can be fun, but I'd get Marceau first.

Napoli is fun in coop but whenever I see one on red I think "food". Hindy is always a tough opponent. 

Marceau is an easy ship to have fun in, but I found I influence the battle outcome more in other DDs. But that's probably just me....

[Miscommunication_dept]

Napoli and Marceau are two of the most fun ships in the game.

I think Napoli is more fun but Marceau is probably stronger.

I would usually suggest Marceau as first coal purchase as it’s so strong. But if you don’t like DDs,it would be a poor choice.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

3 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Napoli and Marceau are two of the most fun ships in the game.

I think Napoli is more fun but Marceau is probably stronger.

I would usually suggest Marceau as first coal purchase as it’s so strong. But if you don’t like DDs,it would be a poor choice.

You people are not making it easy on me. 

 

I love DDs, I'm just not very good :) I also love french cruisers and I am quite decent in them. I understand french destroyers play a little like the cruisers? Maniacal firestarters going 50 knots?

 

I tend to say... Lütjens or Marceau first, then Napoli (though as a decent CV player I should get Immelmann at some point too, but that's a discussion for another day).

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

22 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

I tend to say... Lütjens or Marceau first, then Napoli (though as a decent CV player I should get Immelmann at some point too, but that's a discussion for another day).

Since the captain rework you get a lot of mileage out of special captains if you have different premium ships you can slap them on since you can now build class specific.

Marceau, lots of fun, but you probably should try french high tier destroyers first to see if you like them.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I wouldn’t get a commander unless you’ve got most coal ships you want and at least 2 premiums that will make use of them.

 

Lutjens works well in all German classes but unless you have several ships you can use him on you’ll be better off with a ship.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

42 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

I wouldn’t get a commander unless you’ve got most coal ships you want and at least 2 premiums that will make use of them.

 

Lutjens works well in all German classes but unless you have several ships you can use him on you’ll be better off with a ship.

Hindenburg would be enough, almost, but I will also have GK. I have Scharnhorst B and Weimar, I guess. Immelmann I will get at some point. Pommern probably not.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

27 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Hindenburg would be enough, almost, but I will also have GK. I have Scharnhorst B and Weimar, I guess. Immelmann I will get at some point. Pommern probably not.

It is only useful on 1 silver ship plus a combo of premium ships. Switching Lutjens between 2 silver ships works as usual = pay.

[Ocsimano18]

Marceau is fun, as cruising at 55kts while obliterating any other DD is fun. I play Smaland more, as having radar and faster torps worked better for me than farming damage on BBs, once the red DDs are gone, but Marceau was my favorite DD before getting Smallie. Consider Marceau feels like a mini cruiser.

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

6 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

You people are not making it easy on me. 

 

I love DDs, I'm just not very good :)

Neither am I, but I hope to get better. By playing. I can't think of another way. 😂

[SolanumTuberosumRex]

4 hours ago, Europizza said:

It is only useful on 1 silver ship plus a combo of premium ships. Switching Lutjens between 2 silver ships works as usual = pay.

True, but there are quite a few worthwhile German premiums, some of which are/were for (almost) free, like Agir, Pommern and ZF-6. Weimar and Munchen are cheap, as was T-61. There is a reason Lutjens was my first 21 point commander. :D

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

12 hours ago, PsychoClownfish said:

True, but there are quite a few worthwhile German premiums, some of which are/were for (almost) free, like Agir, Pommern and ZF-6. Weimar and Munchen are cheap, as was T-61. There is a reason Lutjens was my first 21 point commander. :D

Same thing here. Also, I've gotten way more value out of my special captains then most individual coal ships when comparing. I always used them constantly, lots of matches with them at the helmn. Most coal ships I played occasionally, some even hardly like the Thunderer. Bought 'because it would be removed hype', hardly seen combat. Waste of good coal for me personally.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

58 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Same thing here. Also, I've gotten way more value out of my special captains then most individual coal ships when comparing. I always used them constantly, lots of matches with them at the helmn. Most coal ships I played occasionally, some even hardly like the Thunderer. Bought 'because it would be removed hype', hardly seen combat. Waste of good coal for me personally.

Thunderer is the one ship I bought that I wish I could have the coal back. Also the reason I never went past KGV in the British BB line. Utterly unfun (though I liked KGV alright).

[tocqueville8]

20 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

I understand french destroyers play a little like the cruisers? Maniacal firestarters going 50 knots?

Marceau is a bit different:

 

1) slow shells mean she's less of an open water gunboat, but she can camp islands better than Mogador/Kléber: the speed becomes less about dodging and more about repositioning from one cover to the next

2) better concealment means she's better at ambushing DDs, especially if one takes RPF and uses terrain, or rushes the DDs in their smoke

3) no reload boost, but better DPM, means one less thing to worry about when going after a DD

4) better AA means she can go after the CV: AA Expert awards are common in the Marceau

 

[Ronchabale]

I picked up Lütjenz a few days ago, best captain ever

[Lootboxer]

Marceau but only if you are accustomed to slow shells with rainbow arcs (a bit like USA 128s on Flint Atlanta and DDs but not as bad) otherwise you may find hart to hit anything father away and be let down. It's lots of fun anyway.

Napoli can be lacking in DPM and secondaries not always will make it up (some games you just can't use them much). But still huge fun to melt careless ships with them if you'll manage to get into range.

Special commander is the last one that I haven't got yet so i can't say anything about him except that he is the last.

 

[Montrala]

I would say that Marceau fun comes in concentrated doses, while Napoli fun is more extended over time. But I agree that they are one of most enjoyable coal T10s. I would add Salem to the mix - dpm just brings huge grin, especially when I get opportunity to nose-in Petro and win

[lup3s]

I'd go with Lütjens first; then Marceau (for Randoms) or Napoli (for Coop).

 

The "heal every 3 spotted ribbons" is an undervalued perk of Lütjens imo

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

3 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

Marceau is a bit different:

 

1) slow shells mean she's less of an open water gunboat, but she can camp islands better than Mogador/Kléber: the speed becomes less about dodging and more about repositioning from one cover to the next

2) better concealment means she's better at ambushing DDs, especially if one takes RPF and uses terrain, or rushes the DDs in their smoke

3) no reload boost, but better DPM, means one less thing to worry about when going after a DD

4) better AA means she can go after the CV: AA Expert awards are common in the Marceau

 

Hmmm.

 

So, maybe Lütjens first then.

[tocqueville8]

33 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Hmmm.

 

So, maybe Lütjens first then.

 

Nooooo, that's not what I said at all! 

 

Look, Marceau is a great ship, AND she's different enough from the tech tree line to be a different experience, which is what you want in a premium/freemium.

 

As for unique captains: I only got the ones that were free, and it might take you a while to level up one to the point where he's better than an established, regular captain that already has a lot of points. It's up to you.