Wargaming needs to issue user manuals to their ships

[kissforu8]

Dear Wargaming and fellow captains,

 

With the advent of facebook ads, I see sooooo many people who DO NOT KNOW how to play the game. Things should be clarified, such as :

1) Ship roles : If you're a DD, your primary role is to SPOT. If you're a cruiser, your role is to kill DDs and support fire. If you're a BB, your role is to kill DDs and exert zone of control (needs to be clearly explained to people) ennemies.

2) BROADSIDES. 'nuff said. YES, even for you, german BB player.

3) General consumables explanation. Just yesterday, I counted 3 times a DD smoked up in hydro range of a cruiser. It didn't end well for our team.

4) LEMMING TRAINS and why they're bad.

5) Tanking : Who should tank ? Maybe we can stop having backline Kurfursts after that.

 

Feel free to add more topics.

 

One of the main reasons I feel the level of play is going down the drain in this game, is that the ranked system is a joke. Make it like league, with a hidden "elo" system, instead of stupid stars. Yes it will be harder to get rewards, but the level reached will give real value.

Also, achievements should give flags again. Achievements rewarded good players and made the community a better place, now they're just for bragging.

 

Also, I have been chatbanned a few times. Some of the times I can understand, others seem to be only related to when I discuss game "balans" in chat, without any swearing or insulting to anyone (yes, not even to the WG "design"/marketing team). It would be interesting for the people to understand WHY they are being chatbanned. Excerpts from their chat and time stamp could be a good way to help.

 

The game is good, the community is great, the CCs are amazing. Please do something so that you retain the good players. 10% of my clan has left in the last 2 months...

 

Thanks,

 

kissforu8

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

People read manuals?

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Joking aside, there should be a tutorial (not a video, there are those) that shows things like angling, leading your target, stealth, torping etc. Except, of course, that'd be a lot of work and there is zero incentive to do it.

[Rockstone_III]

5 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Joking aside, there should be a tutorial (not a video, there are those) that shows things like angling, leading your target, stealth, torping etc. Except, of course, that'd be a lot of work and there is zero incentive to do it.

They do... its called "how it works. 

Here is the one about armor: How it Works: Armor | World of Warships - YouTube
 

So no, it wasn't too much work for them
(and I am sure you knew this - you just wanted to be an a...) 

[Cyclops_]

4 minutes ago, Commander_Rockstone said:

They do... its called "how it works.

Here is the one about armor: How it Works: Armor | World of Warships - YouTube
 

Maybe before they can upgrade modules etc to the ship they have just bought, they have to Watch said Video to unlock said upgrade??, but i have no doubt that those that dont care will just FF'd through the Vid so as to take the upgrade 

[ReapingKnight]

13 minutes ago, kissforu8 said:

If you're a BB, your role is to kill DDs and exert zone of control (needs to be clearly explained to people) ennemies.

I'm going to say no to this...

A crusier role would be to counter DDs but that depends on the DD and the crusier. A BB can certainly assist in killing the DD but so can other DDs as well given that DDs become more valuable the longer the game goes on (more so if there are no CVs).

 

The whole "plan" for WG was a Rock Paper Scissors type of role alignment...obvs this is a broad spectrum as some ships don't fit those.

 

BB = Rock

Crusier = Scissors

DD = Paper

[Hugh_Ruka]

Well the useful manuals are written by LWM ...

[Anthoniusii]

The problem is not WG's only .The real issue is the fact that the vast majority of players came to this game from World of Tanks and continue to use the same tactics.

WG made that easier by ussing too many rocks and islands in its maps in World of Warships. That is why  its often to see people use their ship in reverse like driving a tank! Or hide behind rocks exposing their allies to hostile fire without any suport. The WG problem is the same with both games. It seams that because of huge tasks making new  tanks/ships in each team there are sub team to accelarate the work. Each sub team NEVER co operates in the matter of ballance. Also they made simple rules according to each tank/ship task that are hilarius. Just like a huge in size anti-tank gun with a size of a two stores building remains un-notticed because it "belongs" to that kind the same applies with Destroyers that despite the fact that an average man can spot a 100m ship with his own eyes in more than 5 kms distance in WoWs DDs are un notticed in distances bigger than 4 kms unless there is a radar of hydro on ship. The roles and the rules that WG made for ballancing that simly does not exist encourage players to play ships like playing tanks!

[kissforu8]

17 minutes ago, ReapingKnight said:

I'm going to say no to this...

A crusier role would be to counter DDs but that depends on the DD and the crusier. A BB can certainly assist in killing the DD but so can other DDs as well given that DDs become more valuable the longer the game goes on (more so if there are no CVs).

 

The whole "plan" for WG was a Rock Paper Scissors type of role alignment...obvs this is a broad spectrum as some ships don't fit those.

 

BB = Rock

Crusier = Scissors

DD = Paper

Except in all tiers, everyone should focus DDs. Yes you're not going to chase a DD in a BB, but you should still shoot at one every time you can (well maybe except if it's a Marceau).

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

25 minutes ago, Commander_Rockstone said:

They do... its called "how it works. 

Here is the one about armor: How it Works: Armor | World of Warships - YouTube
 

So no, it wasn't too much work for them
(and I am sure you knew this - you just wanted to be an a...) 

Let me point out a part of my post you did not read: "NOT A VIDEO, THERE ARE THOSE".

[invicta2012]

42 minutes ago, kissforu8 said:

With the advent of facebook ads, I see sooooo many people who DO NOT KNOW how to play the game. Things should be clarified, such as :

1) Ship roles : If you're a DD, your primary role is to SPOT. If you're a cruiser, your role is to kill DDs and support fire. If you're a BB, your role is to kill DDs and exert zone of control (needs to be clearly explained to people) ennemies.

2) BROADSIDES. 'nuff said. YES, even for you, german BB player.

3) General consumables explanation. Just yesterday, I counted 3 times a DD smoked up in hydro range of a cruiser. It didn't end well for our team.

4) LEMMING TRAINS and why they're bad.

5) Tanking : Who should tank ? Maybe we can stop having backline Kurfursts after that.

This is all a bit 2017, mate. No point explaining old fashioned pre-CV rework roles to people.  Try a more modern explanation:

 

1 - If you're a DD, your role is to spot. Or.... to be spotted by the CV and destroyed by rocket planes. Or Skip Bombers. Or whatever it is WG is peddling these days. Otherwise you can be spotted by Radar cruisers and deep fried in concentrated HE spam. Fun Fun fun!

2 - A cruiser player? Welcome. Did you bring radar? Why not?  Your job is to hide behind an island and radar DDs. Otherwise the cruiser's role is to get spotted early doors taking an ill-advised pot shot at a BB and lose 90% of your health to an overmatching BB shell. Enjoy!

3 - A Battleship? Can you overmatch things? Why not? Oh, you're a secondary ship? You used to play DDs and charged into caps and died and you think that will be more successful with a big HP pool and armour belt? Ah, you poor innocent lamb chop. 

4 - Broadside is best side. Unless you're in a French or Russian BB, in which case going slowly backwards and forwards like a kid playing with a VHS machine is the way to go. 

5 - Smoke screens are great - because if you can't see them, they can't hit you. 

6 - Lemming Trains: these are great for avoiding personal responsibility. No-one is to blame if everyone is to blame. 

7 - Who should tank? Someone *else* should tank. 

8- Are you sure you wouldn't like to play a Submarine instead?

[Seraphice]

Hey!

We do indeed have tutorials for our game!
First of all we have the how it works series that explains basic concepts and interactions in our game, you can find it here:

Then we have a more detailed tutorial for specific ships that goes into the strengths and weaknesses of certain ships and their recommended upgrades in our Armada series:

And we have the same for some newly released tech tree lines:

Those are all the youtube tutorials that we ourselves have posted, but there are plenty out there from other Community Contributors and Content Creators around the world.

We also have a discord server tailored specifically to helping new players, run by volunteers. Most of them are experienced and veteran players with a lot of experience in high-level competitive and will be able to expertly answer all of your questions. You can find this discord here: https://discord.gg/GxufvN7R or alternatively you can go to discord.gg/wows and head over to the gameplay help channel, where these folks can also be found

Then we also have a document made by those volunteers who can give you an insight into what are the best builds for each ship in the game and what variations you can try. You can find the document here: bit.ly/wowsbuilds

That will be all for now, but I'm sure there are plenty of community members everywhere willing to help each other out!

Fair seas captain!

~Sera

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

9 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

Hey!

We do indeed have tutorials for our game!
First of all we have the how it works series that explains basic concepts and interactions in our game, you can find it here:

Then we have a more detailed tutorial for specific ships that goes into the strengths and weaknesses of certain ships and their recommended upgrades in our Armada series:

And we have the same for some newly released tech tree lines:

Those are all the youtube tutorials that we ourselves have posted, but there are plenty out there from other Community Contributors and Content Creators around the world.

We also have a discord server tailored specifically to helping new players, run by volunteers. Most of them are experienced and veteran players with a lot of experience in high-level competitive and will be able to expertly answer all of your questions. You can find this discord here: https://discord.gg/GxufvN7R or alternatively you can go to discord.gg/wows and head over to the gameplay help channel, where these folks can also be found

Then we also have a document made by those volunteers who can give you an insight into what are the best builds for each ship in the game and what variations you can try. You can find the document here: bit.ly/wowsbuilds

That will be all for now, but I'm sure there are plenty of community members everywhere willing to help each other out!

Fair seas captain!

~Sera

That's all great and you should pin this post somewhere. However, many (myself included) think there should be a play tutorial. You know, drop you in a training room in a Fuso, with a voice narrating: "this is your ship, W propels it forward at these speeds. Bring your ship to half speed ahead to continue with this tutorial".

[kissforu8]

10 minutes ago, Seraphice said:

Hey!

We do indeed have tutorials for our game!
First of all we have the how it works series that explains basic concepts and interactions in our game, you can find it here:

Then we have a more detailed tutorial for specific ships that goes into the strengths and weaknesses of certain ships and their recommended upgrades in our Armada series:

And we have the same for some newly released tech tree lines:

Those are all the youtube tutorials that we ourselves have posted, but there are plenty out there from other Community Contributors and Content Creators around the world.

We also have a discord server tailored specifically to helping new players, run by volunteers. Most of them are experienced and veteran players with a lot of experience in high-level competitive and will be able to expertly answer all of your questions. You can find this discord here: https://discord.gg/GxufvN7R or alternatively you can go to discord.gg/wows and head over to the gameplay help channel, where these folks can also be found

Then we also have a document made by those volunteers who can give you an insight into what are the best builds for each ship in the game and what variations you can try. You can find the document here: bit.ly/wowsbuilds

That will be all for now, but I'm sure there are plenty of community members everywhere willing to help each other out!

Fair seas captain!

~Sera

Hello Sera and first thanks for the answer.

 

Yes there are (good) video tutorials by WG or CCs that make things great for the invested player. However, I would like something basic with each ship or branch that you unlock about how to play them, in 5 lines, that you HAVE TO READ and click "I understand" before being able to play the ship.

[AkerJack]

If nobody watches the videos, what makes you think that they will read the manual? There are videos as stated above from WG itself, CC and on YouTube made by veterans...but very few people, specially the new players, would go through them because they wanna play and not "waste time" to learn and how to play, and this is because they don't see it as an investment to become e good player and make the game better...

[kissforu8]

4 minutes ago, AkerJack said:

If nobody watches the videos, what makes you think that they will read the manual? There are videos as stated above from WG itself, CC and on YouTube made by veterans...but very few people, specially the new players, would go through them because they wanna play and not "waste time" to learn and how to play, and this is because they don't see it as an investment to become e good player and make the game better...

that's why I want to make it a mandatory in-game read

[AkerJack]

It's gonna be like any internet T&C click to agree... everybody will scroll and jimp straight to to end to clock "continue"....sadly I might add

[El2aZeR]

You are bold to assume the average player can even read. 

 

On a more serious note, you should know practically no one is going to bother reading or watching anything.

[arttuperkunas]

1 minute ago, El2aZeR said:

Your are bold to assume the average player can even read. 

 

[Saltface]

I once was dumb enough to believe that more "tutorials" are needed and that the Seasoned players should take the time to teach Novice players instead of flaming them.

 

While I still believe that Seasoned players should not flame the new ones (or incompetent ones for that matter) I do not believe any more that "teaching" is part of the role here.

No one will read any kind of tutorial, manual, guide, primer etc. Most people DO NOT WANT TO LEARN how to play the game. Thy don't care. End of story. 

 

If you want to learn, the internet is full of reading, viewing and other material. Feast up.

[ColorsOfRainbows]

1 hour ago, kissforu8 said:

Dear Wargaming and fellow captains,

 

With the advent of facebook ads, I see sooooo many people who DO NOT KNOW how to play the game. Things should be clarified, such as :

1) Ship roles : If you're a DD, your primary role is to SPOT. If you're a cruiser, your role is to kill DDs and support fire. If you're a BB, your role is to kill DDs and exert zone of control (needs to be clearly explained to people) ennemies.

2) BROADSIDES. 'nuff said. YES, even for you, german BB player.

3) General consumables explanation. Just yesterday, I counted 3 times a DD smoked up in hydro range of a cruiser. It didn't end well for our team.

4) LEMMING TRAINS and why they're bad.

5) Tanking : Who should tank ? Maybe we can stop having backline Kurfursts after that.

 

Feel free to add more topics.

 

One of the main reasons I feel the level of play is going down the drain in this game, is that the ranked system is a joke. Make it like league, with a hidden "elo" system, instead of stupid stars. Yes it will be harder to get rewards, but the level reached will give real value.

Also, achievements should give flags again. Achievements rewarded good players and made the community a better place, now they're just for bragging.

 

Also, I have been chatbanned a few times. Some of the times I can understand, others seem to be only related to when I discuss game "balans" in chat, without any swearing or insulting to anyone (yes, not even to the WG "design"/marketing team). It would be interesting for the people to understand WHY they are being chatbanned. Excerpts from their chat and time stamp could be a good way to help.

 

The game is good, the community is great, the CCs are amazing. Please do something so that you retain the good players. 10% of my clan has left in the last 2 months...

 

Thanks,

 

kissforu8

In what world is it the job of a bb to kill dds? I mean I shoot them but I will probably miss mostly... Cruisers kill dd 

 

Also I talk so much crap and never got chat banned i wish they would ban more people

 

 

[NaikonP]

12 minutes ago, ColorsOfRainbows said:

 Cruisers kill dd

DDs kill (or get them killed by outspotting them) DDs mostly. CVs kill or get DDs killed by spotting them. The only kind of cruisers that are somewhat good at killing DDs are radar cruisers. And even then mostly when said DD is an idiot (unless they have the balanced stealth radar).

 

Please shoot the DD when youre in a BB. Even one overpen is like ~5% of the average health of a DD and its helps your DD who is trying to fight him.

Dont complain when your DDs die when fighting other DDs because the enemy BB support their DD while you dont.
 

[MadBadDave]

I’d start with the map before any manual 😉.

[arttuperkunas]

1 hour ago, NaikonP said:

DDs kill (or get them killed by outspotting them) DDs mostly. CVs kill or get DDs killed by spotting them. The only kind of cruisers that are somewhat good at killing DDs are radar cruisers. And even then mostly when said DD is an idiot (unless they have the balanced stealth radar).

 

Please shoot the DD when youre in a BB. Even one overpen is like ~5% of the average health of a DD and its helps your DD who is trying to fight him.

Dont complain when your DDs die when fighting other DDs because the enemy BB support their DD while you dont.
 

There are situation in which it makes more sense for the BB to shoot the German BB pushing into the cap or the radar cruiser lurking behind the cap, but as a general rule absolutely everyone should shoot a spotted DD when it is spotted. Even if those shells don't kill it, being under focus fire will force the DD away from the cap and restrict its freedom of movement.

[General_Alexus]

3 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

People read manuals?

I have a friend who works for a company translating user-manuals of electronic devices. I never once dared to ask her this question .