Cheshire.

[MadBadDave]

Cheshire is one of those ships (along with Belfast), that I’d really like to acquire, I can understand why WG pulled Belfast at the time (being OP), that may be a few years ago but with powercreep, widespread radar and the MM (often bottom tier), I really can’t understand WGs reluctance to make an absolutely absurd amount of money by putting it back in the store.

 

But why isn’t Cheshire available?,  given how dire Albermarle is (seen any in the last 6 months 😉), can anyone please tell me why you can’t get Cheshire ?.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Are you sure you want Cheshire?

It’s not a good ship.

[wot_2016_gunner]

First of all, WG would yes make a lot of money if they would put OG Belfast back for sale, but the thing is that the OG Belfast is completely BROKEN for T7; it gets Slot 5, which only T8+ get, smoke, hydro and radar (and btw, the only other radar at T7 are Indy-chan and Atlanta) and also has both HE and AP with a good reload (7.5s, which is the old Fiji reload before the 0.5s nerf). 

 

Adding it back on sale would turn into an absolute spam of these; remember the old 10x Smolensk screenshots? yyyeah, something like that. 

 

They did added Belfast 43 at T8 some time ago, but it's a bit of a downgrade compared with the old one.

 

As far as Cheshire not being available that's because removed from sale in Update 0.9.4, i don't really know why; tho it was written that they might get back at a later date

 

VII Yūdachi, VII Gorizia, VII Poltava, and VIII Cheshire will be available in the Premium Shop until June 5, 2020 5:00 UTC. These ships may return to the Premium Shop at a later date..

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/sales-and-events/premium-shop-094/

 

now, it's already almost 1 year and a half since they got removed and to that i do have to ping someone @YabbaCoe @MrConway as worlds about these 4? will they ever return? anything?

[Jvd2000]

I got Cheshire as a SC reward last year at the anniversary event. The Cheshire exists so that the excitement of finally receiving a premium ship can be turned into a feeling of dread when you realize the “ gift “ WG has bestowed upon you…

 

I remember receiving condolences from forum members after reporting my luck..

[MadBadDave]

1 minute ago, gopher31 said:

Are you sure you want Cheshire?

It’s not a good ship.

To look at Albermarle appealed to me and it does have its Good points but it’s left in the shadows by so many other great T8’s, Cheshire appeals becuase of the AA, name, caliber and HE,   would you say Tiger 59 and Belfast 43 are better than Cheshire ?. 

[MadBadDave]

7 minutes ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

First of all, WG would yes make a lot of money if they would put OG Belfast back for sale, but the thing is that the OG Belfast is completely BROKEN for T7; it gets Slot 5, which only T8+ get, smoke, hydro and radar (and btw, the only other radar at T7 are Indy-chan and Atlanta) and also has both HE and AP with a good reload (7.5s, which is the old Fiji reload before the 0.5s nerf). 

 

Adding it back on sale would turn into an absolute spam of these; remember the old 10x Smolensk screenshots? yyyeah, something like that. 

 

They did added Belfast 43 at T8 some time ago, but it's a bit of a downgrade compared with the old one.

 

As far as Cheshire not being available that's because removed from sale in Update 0.9.4, i don't really know why; tho it was written that they might get back at a later date

 

VII Yūdachi, VII Gorizia, VII Poltava, and VIII Cheshire will be available in the Premium Shop until June 5, 2020 5:00 UTC. These ships may return to the Premium Shop at a later date..

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/sales-and-events/premium-shop-094/

 

now, it's already almost 1 year and a half since they got removed and to that i do have to ping someone @YabbaCoe @MrConway as worlds about these 4? will they ever return? anything?

Great response, thanks,   Op Belfast would flood the queue until people got bored, but I do disagree re T7,  given the amount of times you face T8 and T9’s.   You very rarely see any original Belfast these days and when you do they don’t stand out. 

[Hakssor]

6 minutes ago, wot_2016_gunner said:

First of all, WG would yes make a lot of money if they would put OG Belfast back for sale, but the thing is that the OG Belfast is completely BROKEN for T7; it gets Slot 5, which only T8+ get, smoke, hydro and radar (and btw, the only other radar at T7 are Indy-chan and Atlanta) and also has both HE and AP with a good reload (7.5s, which is the old Fiji reload before the 0.5s nerf). 

 

Adding it back on sale would turn into an absolute spam of these; remember the old 10x Smolensk screenshots? yyyeah, something like that. 

 

They did added Belfast 43 at T8 some time ago, but it's a bit of a downgrade compared with the old one.

 

As far as Cheshire not being available that's because removed from sale in Update 0.9.4, i don't really know why; tho it was written that they might get back at a later date

 

VII Yūdachi, VII Gorizia, VII Poltava, and VIII Cheshire will be available in the Premium Shop until June 5, 2020 5:00 UTC. These ships may return to the Premium Shop at a later date..

https://worldofwarships.eu/en/news/sales-and-events/premium-shop-094/

 

now, it's already almost 1 year and a half since they got removed and to that i do have to ping someone @YabbaCoe @MrConway as worlds about these 4? will they ever return? anything?

Their role is to dilute the pool for containers like the christmas ones or supercontainers. New whales will have to go through them before getting the OP ships. I doubt we will see them anytime soon, very few people would buy them as they are mediocre.

[Pururut]

48 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Cheshire is one of those ships (along with Belfast), that I’d really like to acquire

If masochism is your forte then Tiger 59 is available in the armory. I dont recommend getting premium ships based on your Azur Lane preferences if that is the case. 

 

14 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Cheshire appeals because of the AA, name, caliber and HE,

Grind yourself a Baltimore. Good HE, AP, AA, radar, hydro and is more resilient against citadels when angled. 

[MadBadDave]

15 minutes ago, Pururut said:

If masochism is your forte then Tiger 59 is available in the armory. I dont recommend getting premium ships based on your Azur Lane preferences if that is the case. 

 

Grind yourself a Baltimore. Good HE, AP, AA, radar, hydro and is more resilient against citadels when angled. 

I’ve got Balti and DM.    I’ve also got Goliath and Mino, among many other T10’s,  it’s my birthday soon and I usually get a load of Steam vouchers,  so it’s either a Premium or another Game Red Dead 2 maybe ?.   I’ve recently got Napoli which I really like (prefer it to Petro), at this moment in time a Premium Brit Cruiser appeals and tbh from what I’ve read and seen Cheshire “seems” to be the best of a bad bunch ?. 

[_HomTanks_]

1 hour ago, MadBadDave said:

Cheshire is one of those ships (along with Belfast), that I’d really like to acquire, I can understand why WG pulled Belfast at the time (being OP), that may be a few years ago but with powercreep, widespread radar and the MM (often bottom tier), I really can’t understand WGs reluctance to make an absolutely absurd amount of money by putting it back in the store.

And i want Kitakami, Iwaki Alpha, etc. They were removed all of a sudden...(<-with this logic, all ships should be brought back to the game but since it is not the case and won't happen, we ought to learn not to live in the past). Besides, the old Belfast doesn't stand out anymore just like you stated. Why would you want it?

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But why isn’t Cheshire available?,  given how dire Albermarle is (seen any in the last 6 months 😉), can anyone please tell me why you can’t get Cheshire ?.

Again why would you want a Cheshire? It's a very difficult ship to play. Belfast 43 at least has smoke and radar combo at T8.

[MadBadDave]

22 minutes ago, Hakssor said:

Their role is to dilute the pool for containers like the christmas ones or supercontainers. New whales will have to go through them before getting the OP ships. I doubt we will see them anytime soon, very few people would buy them as they are mediocre.

Collectors like to collect, especially if it’s a rare ship,  I for one like to see rare and unpopular ships becuase tbh the opponent doesn’t know what to expect, for example a noob cv player won’t know how good Cheshire’s AA is, and it only takes a tiny WG buff to turn an average ship into a good one.   

[MadBadDave]

5 minutes ago, WgPlsNerfColorado said:

And i want Kitakami, Iwaki Alpha, etc. They were removed all of a sudden...(<-with this logic, all ships should be brought back to the game but since it is not the case and won't happen, we ought to learn not to live in the past). Besides, the old Belfast doesn't stand out anymore just like you stated. Why would you want it?

Again why would you want a Cheshire? It's a very difficult ship to play. Belfast 43 at least has smoke and radar combo at T8.

All Brit cruisers require a higher skill set but the pay off is worth the effort, (my personal fave is Goliath),  the chances are it’s Belfast 43 that I’ll get because Cheshire’s not available but having the option and not knowing why you still can’t get Cheshire is a mystery given how many people slate it ?.

[invicta2012]

5 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

 I’ve also got Goliath and Mino, among many other T10’s,  it’s my birthday soon and I usually get a load of Steam vouchers,  so it’s either a Premium or another Game Red Dead 2 maybe ?.   I’ve recently got Napoli which I really like (prefer it to Petro), at this moment in time a Premium Brit Cruiser appeals and tbh from what I’ve read and seen Cheshire “seems” to be the best of a bad bunch ?. 

Cheshire is Albemarle's hull, and is made of Explodium. If you want that Tier V cruiser experience at high tiers, go right ahead. I'm told Plymouth is quite good (but that's for Steel) and Gibraltar looks silly (and is only for RP).

 

I'd like a downtiered Drake, really - 3 x 3 203 mm on a durable hull rather than all the guns on a biscuit tin. 

[_HomTanks_]

Just now, MadBadDave said:

All Brit cruisers require a higher skill set but the pay off is worth the effort, (my personal fave is Goliath),  the chances are it’s Belfast 43 that I’ll get because Cheshire’s not available but having the option and not knowing why you still can’t get Cheshire is a mystery given how many people slate it ?.

I can't answer that mystery either but i know how Cheshire plays. Yes it has good AA but you don't want to be spotted by cv (unless you're one on one) ironically cuz when you do get spotted, you're likely to get citadeled. It gets citadeled from front, side, back anywhere. It's got short firing range considering T8s entertain T9-T10s. Hard hitting salvos but every 12.5sec. It is just another behind a rock cruiser.

[Hakssor]

17 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Collectors like to collect, especially if it’s a rare ship,  I for one like to see rare and unpopular ships becuase tbh the opponent doesn’t know what to expect, for example a noob cv player won’t know how good Cheshire’s AA is, and it only takes a tiny WG buff to turn an average ship into a good one.   

If she becomes available again, people will learn about her eventually. Also a noob CV might avoid you or might have the panel mod which tells him AA values. When I buy a ship, I usually think how she would compete against skilled players first. Noobs are not really relevant because they can be outplayed anyway with a good ship. If a ship is only good against noobs then she is not really worth it. 

[MadBadDave]

22 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Cheshire is Albemarle's hull, and is made of Explodium. If you want that Tier V cruiser experience at high tiers, go right ahead. I'm told Plymouth is quite good (but that's for Steel) and Gibraltar looks silly (and is only for RP).

 

I'd like a downtiered Drake, really - 3 x 3 203 mm on a durable hull rather than all the guns on a biscuit tin. 

Drake is a definite improvement over Albermarle and a great intro to the Goliath.  Thing is no one can really say why Cheshire’s not available given how poorly people rate it, there must be a reason, could the reason have been “another T8 premium” prior to Tiger 59 and Belfast 43 coming out ?. 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

You people just don't know how to play the Cheshire.

 

1. Engage enemy.

2. Descend into engineering.

4. Activate the charges and scuttle your ship.

5. Too late! In step 3 someone already exploded you!

[MadBadDave]

LWM did an excellent Belfast and Belfast 43 review, it’s safe to assume she hated the Cheshire with a vengeance but her summing up is very interesting.   I take it the real option 3 was jump ship 😉.

 

[Verblonde]

2 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

Cheshire is one of those ships ... that I’d really like to acquire

Isn't it a little early to be *that* drunk...?

 

Cheshire is what happens to you if you somehow manage to offend *every* god in *every* pantheon and those gods are feeling particularly vindictive.

 

 

<thoughtful pause> Actually, gods, I think I'll take the eagle pecking out my liver every day after all...

[KillStealBoss]

It has pretty nasty AA for T8. With Def AA on it can be super annoying even for T10 CVs . 

[MadBadDave]

24 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

It has pretty nasty AA for T8. With Def AA on it can be super annoying even for T10 CVs . 

That’s what I’d heard, Brit cruiser AA is pretty good as it is, so a cruiser with better AA is at least some thing.  Something that isn’t available.

[Jvd2000]

44 minutes ago, Verblonde said:

Isn't it a little early to be *that* drunk...?

 

Cheshire is what happens to you if you somehow manage to offend *every* god in *every* pantheon and those gods are feeling particularly vindictive.

 

 

<thoughtful pause> Actually, gods, I think I'll take the eagle pecking out my liver every day after all...

I am trying to find my post last year but the event is far far far stowed away in my mind ( I unsuccessfully tried to forget the experience) I have a lingering thought that it was you who gave his condolences to me when I won my Cheshire

[Foxhound421a]

Cheshire was a logical decision by wargaming Exeter is good so a modernised version will good then they used a Neptune hull famed for its citadel! you also don’t get Exeter or Neptune’s agility and acceleration. Frankly at tier 7 Cheshire would be good and you could have a tier 8 based on the Surrey with 4 pairs of 9.2inch guns 

[lovelacebeer]

It is rather weird the Cheshire was removed, as others have said she has some rather significant draw backs so she can’t have been removed for being over powered.

 

Hopefully she will return next year as part of some event although with WG who knows...

[MadBadDave]

41 minutes ago, Foxhound421a said:

Cheshire was a logical decision by wargaming Exeter is good so a modernised version will good then they used a Neptune hull famed for its citadel! you also don’t get Exeter or Neptune’s agility and acceleration. Frankly at tier 7 Cheshire would be good and you could have a tier 8 based on the Surrey with 4 pairs of 9.2inch guns 

See a T7 Cheshire Premium would have made sense, for them then to bring in Tiger 59 and Belfast 43 at T8, I do think Tiger 59 should have been a T9

 

I did like Surrey and was very pleased when they slightly remodelled her, that fore head was something else.

 

This topic at least has pointed me in the direction of what next to get; Belfast 43, but the big question; why remove an underwhelming premium remains a mystery.