Hi! I'm the guy that throws your mathes, help me get better?

[Azetbur]

Hullo everyone!

 

I'm terrible at this game, and I won't blame any R&G for it either. No, the problem is me. In most games, I'm usually the one that dies in the first 5 minutes. If not, I'd probably be the one that's scored 4 hits in the entire match. Always in the lower bottom half of the leaderboard regardless of what happens.

 

Trouble is, I can't seem to figure out how to get any better. Here's the gamplay principles I've always tried to follow:

 

• Situational awarness: I play on a big screen, so I always keep the map as enlarged as it gets.

 

• Familiarity with my ship: I know my detection, artillery & torpedo ranges off the top of my head.

 

• Following my role: Unless the situation is desperate, I don't brawl against battleships in a cruiser, or go off to an empty cap in a battleship.

 

• Unpredictability: No going in straight lines, at one speed, straight for the cap. I change course frequently, and try and use alternative routes to my destination.
   
• Team work: I'm no lone wolf, on the contrary in fact. I love stay close to battleships and provide AA if I'm in a cruiser, or spot targets as a detroyer.

 

Here's the thing though, I'm still terrible. I don't see anything "wrong" with my gameplay per say. My aim, although by no means extraordinary, is decent. I've decided to go back to basics today, bought a Tier 2 ship and headed to battle. Which is why I'm here now... after a few games of absolute carnage, mostly by bots, I'm just realizing to what extent I really don't know what I'm doing.

 

So, any feedback is very much appreciated, and thanks for taking your time to read this!

[_HomTanks_]

Well, you sound like a wise person to have self awareness, to identify what you're lacking and then come to the forum to hear out others on how to do things better so early on in the game. I'm sure you'll get many good answers here and will get better in time, be patient. Gl, hf.

[lameoll]

back to basics is not T2 tbh i would start at T5 if u want to go back to basics to learn.

 

That said its hard to judge what u do wrong without any replay or screenshot.

[Dr_Snuggles]

Those guys are still around:

Maybe have a go there:

 

 

 

[Bear__Necessities]

Play some T5/6. Keep some replays. Post them here and we can talk you through your games. 

[tollonator]

Your willingness to learn is already a commendable step in the right direction.

 

You have some good points that will eventually lead you in the right direction. Furthermore, watch some good players stream their gameplay. In streams you will see the "reality" of gameplay, the games shown are not cherry picked like some amazing damage YouTube videos. flamuu is very knowledgeable and has taught me how to aim in most situations, I'm even pulling off some trickier citadels from time to time. He gets quite salty though in his commentary. Flambass also knows the game in and out and he usually analyzes the game situations as they go on and acts accordingly. There are many other great players out there, streams from players in top clans like [BANCV] can be worth to check out. 

 

Another good way to learn the game is to play in a division over voice communication and have some more seasoned players help you out with positioning, angling and calling out targets. Maybe if you can find a clan willing to help you? And I've seen some great folks here on the forums that are willing to division and help. 

 

Now for a little "story" about my learning process (still ongoing ofc), completely optional to read:

 

When I started out in May 2020 I was overwhelmed with information and just tried to brute force it through the tiers. I advanced quick in one of the most broken ship lines without a clue, and suddenly I was t9 in a Sov. Soyuz and a serious liability to my team. 

 

We formed a clan with a group of friends and tried out clan battles. I was terrible. But the second clan battle season that our clan played in was an eye-opener for me. I started to slowly learn how to position, angle, and the art of kiting. My aim improved massively too (I also watched KOTS and good streamers play). 

 

So I got a boost through clan battles and slowly those lessons I learned there helped me out in randoms and ranked. 

 

My wr is still quite horribad because of my early playstyle, but I'm slowly improving, and always trying to learn more. 

[Panocek]

Given you already have this much self reflection which is rare nowadays, I guess you could take a calm, collected look at your "fail" replays and try to figure out what have you done wrong and how you could rectify that the next time. And I'm sure you'd get constructive feedback if you were to post your replays as well

 

Random example; premature death in a DD when battling caps:

-what was cause of your death? torps? then try position yourself to make torpedo evasion easier from expected angles, or bring DD that have access to Hydro

-you've got outgunned hard by the enemy? Where was your team support then? If you can't drag divmate (with voice comms preferably) near the cap or team refuses to get anywhere to the cap, then don't contest it.

 

 

 

[Cyclops_]

May I suggest joining a clan??, then you can div up and learn from your clan mates 👍

[Camperdown]

49% WR is not terrible and you are willing to learn, so there is hope.

You are probably not fully ready for T 7 and 8, where you will meet T9 and 10, so don't be too ambitious climbing the tiers. Play a bit more on T5-6.

Each ship type has its own do's and don'ts.

DD: don't yolo in, don't piew piew all the time. Stay dark, stealth torp and shoot only to kill. Don't sit still in smoke, you will be a torp magnet. 

Cruisers: stay angled, don't get focused by entire red fleet, try support your DDs but don't die trying, don't go alone, don't just farm damage but shoot to kill, pull back when you get too much fire and cease fire when out of range, learn to kite, position is key, seek some cover when you can but don't just sit behind an island.

BB: don't show broadside, support your DDs  and CLs, use AP when you can penetrate but HE when not, push when your flank has advantage but defend and kite away when not, don't use damage control when you have just 1 fire.

CVs: don't. Just don't.

Subs: that's just filthy.

 

Choose a few ships you feel comfortable in and learn to play them well. Post some replays here to get tough love and learn. It may take another 1000 games to get over 51% WR, but it's worth it.

 

GL HF.

 

 

 

[triumphgt6]

Agree with Cyclops - join a clan and play with others. There are plenty of clans around - the very competitive ones will have requirements with regard to WR etc but most are just groups whom like playing the game - always worth looking around and pick one with most if not all of the clan structures built as this will accelerate you XP etc earnings.

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, Azetbur said:

I'm terrible at this game,

49% WR isn't terrible, come on. It's average, which is fine.

And you seem to have played fewer than 1000 battles in 5 years, which might mean you're simply "always out of shape", so to say.

 

1 hour ago, Azetbur said:

Here's the thing though, I'm still terrible. I don't see anything "wrong" with my gameplay per say.

 

You have a very low survival rate, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

It's hard to see what the problems are without a replay. If you could post a few on this thread, it might be helpful...

[Altsak]

2 hours ago, Azetbur said:

Situational awarness: I play on a big screen, so I always keep the map as enlarged as it gets.

 

Minimap ship names and last known positions set on aswell?

[CptBarney]

58 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

49% WR isn't terrible, come on. It's average, which is fine.

And you seem to have played fewer than 1000 battles in 5 years, which might mean you're simply "always out of shape", so to say.

 

 

You have a very low survival rate, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

It's hard to see what the problems are without a replay. If you could post a few on this thread, it might be helpful...

Too be fair the first problem is the lack of consistency if hes only played that many during a time period of that long. So hes not able to pick up many habit (good or bad). But yeah we need replays really. But if he can play more consistently that will help solidify that as well.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Start using mods.

They dont give any advantage, but can present information in a way, that is friendlier for some.

 

If you are interested, PM me. I can help you out, as a friend helped me out years ago.

[Yedwy]

@OP there is nothing wrong with your principles, could be you are just not experienced enough to apply them in Full with your battle Count and density, for in depth analysys we do need replays

[MadBadDave]

4 hours ago, Azetbur said:

Hullo everyone!

 

I'm terrible at this game, and I won't blame any R&G for it either. No, the problem is me. In most games, I'm usually the one that dies in the first 5 minutes. If not, I'd probably be the one that's scored 4 hits in the entire match. Always in the lower bottom half of the leaderboard regardless of what happens.

 

Trouble is, I can't seem to figure out how to get any better. Here's the gamplay principles I've always tried to follow:

 

• Situational awarness: I play on a big screen, so I always keep the map as enlarged as it gets.

 

• Familiarity with my ship: I know my detection, artillery & torpedo ranges off the top of my head.

 

• Following my role: Unless the situation is desperate, I don't brawl against battleships in a cruiser, or go off to an empty cap in a battleship.

 

• Unpredictability: No going in straight lines, at one speed, straight for the cap. I change course frequently, and try and use alternative routes to my destination.
   
• Team work: I'm no lone wolf, on the contrary in fact. I love stay close to battleships and provide AA if I'm in a cruiser, or spot targets as a detroyer.

 

Here's the thing though, I'm still terrible. I don't see anything "wrong" with my gameplay per say. My aim, although by no means extraordinary, is decent. I've decided to go back to basics today, bought a Tier 2 ship and headed to battle. Which is why I'm here now... after a few games of absolute carnage, mostly by bots, I'm just realizing to what extent I really don't know what I'm doing.

 

So, any feedback is very much appreciated, and thanks for taking your time to read this!

You already demonstrate far more common sense and ability of a lot of players you’ll see in your next game,  Ignore players / WG’s obsession with stats, like WR,  PR is a good guide to your game involvement, ie if it’s low you sit back and don’t contribute if it’s high then clearly your doing damage, some will say tosh it’s just a damage stat, but imho is it better to do 100k damage or 20k damage.

 

The state of the game is the worst I’ve seen in 3 and a half years,  and given WGs attitude (M/M, power creep, selling high tier premiums, etc,etc,etc) that isn’t going to change anytime soon.

 

Just do the best you can do and when your “team” loses  take satisfaction that you played well. 

[Saltface]

@Azetbur

Hello there, best way for the forum to help you is to post a replay.

 

Be well

salt

 

[Hugh_Ruka]

Well ... your WR is perfectly fine for the amount of Randoms played. You are not terrible, just average (same here btw.).

 

If you are willing to learn, find a decent clan and/or do some replay analysis ... it is very much different what you see when you are yourself not playing ...

[asalonen]

8 hours ago, tocqueville8 said:

49% WR isn't terrible, come on. It's average, which is fine. And you seem to have played fewer than 1000 battles in 5 years, which might mean you're simply "always out of shape", so to say.

This is exactly what I was about to say.

@Azetbur stats-wise you're doing fine. Your stats are very much average despite a very low number of games. In the Minekaze you're clearly good. Players who joined as early as you commonly have 5 to 10 times as many games. So more than anything, you're just out of touch.

 

I just wouldn't stress about it. Since you have the willingness to learn, if you play more you get better. 

[Ronchabale]

18 hours ago, Azetbur said:

Hullo everyone!

 

I'm terrible at this game, and I won't blame any R&G for it either. No, the problem is me. In most games, I'm usually the one that dies in the first 5 minutes. If not, I'd probably be the one that's scored 4 hits in the entire match.

Look at the spawns, there often a strong and a weak flank, dont be over aggressive on a weak flank, chance of overextending and dying early are high, get a bit closer and then turn, concealment is your friend, try to open fire when already in a kiting position

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Always in the lower bottom half of the leaderboard regardless of what happens.

The longer you stay alive the more damage u can do

Don´t be too hungry, let the opposing team make the mistakes, there is always that guy...

 

Viewing streamers gameplay can help a lot

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Trouble is, I can't seem to figure out how to get any better. Here's the gamplay principles I've always tried to follow:

 

• Situational awarness: I play on a big screen, so I always keep the map as enlarged as it gets.

 

• Familiarity with my ship: I know my detection, artillery & torpedo ranges off the top of my head.

 

• Following my role: Unless the situation is desperate, I don't brawl against battleships in a cruiser, or go off to an empty cap in a battleship.

 

• Unpredictability: No going in straight lines, at one speed, straight for the cap. I change course frequently, and try and use alternative routes to my destination.
   
• Team work: I'm no lone wolf, on the contrary in fact. I love stay close to battleships and provide AA if I'm in a cruiser, or spot targets as a detroyer.

 

Here's the thing though, I'm still terrible. I don't see anything "wrong" with my gameplay per say. My aim, although by no means extraordinary, is decent. I've decided to go back to basics today, bought a Tier 2 ship and headed to battle. Which is why I'm here now... after a few games of absolute carnage, mostly by bots, I'm just realizing to what extent I really don't know what I'm doing.

 

So, any feedback is very much appreciated, and thanks for taking your time to read this!

 

Looks like Sensible plays to me

(apart from the tier 2 bit, you wont learn a thing playing against bots, best learning ground is in randoms around tier 6)

Stay away from tier 8-10 until u are more sure of urself

Looking at your ships.. BB:s are the most forgving ships to play however the slooow US BB:s are very outdated (Jap or Soviet BB lines are way better)

 

And dont look at your stats, your overall win rate has nothing to do with your actual level, the first abyssymal scores/rarings will haunt your overall rating for years if you dont pay 24 / 7

Took me thousands of games to get over 50% overall

Check your recent stats

 

[General_Alexus]

You are an avarage player so there is nothing inherently wrong with your games. You pull your weight but dont contribute much to winning other than doing the same avarage 50% player in the enemy team is doing for his own team.

Especially in randoms you cant realy change much about "strategy" of your team as it is up to each player to do his thing.

 

(if you have charisma, you might influence strategy with use of ingamechat, but this is rather advanced and you might also distract your teammates doing more harm than good, be sure you know what you are talking about before giving advice via ingamechat)

 

On the other hand, tactics are thing you might influence. Even though its a teamgame, the game spreads out in many 1vs 1 or 2 vs 2 situations where you want to trade your own HP favorable against the enemy.

 

In terms of Winrate, lets talk about "close games", because thouse influence your Winrate the most. If only 10/100 games are close but you are able to win them by your actions, your winrate is 60%. This is because you win 50% of your games just by chance when you just play avarage. Of course we dont know which games are thouse magical 10/100 in advance so we need to treat every game as if it is one of thouse 10/100.

 

A close Game where you play a crucial role in winning often has thouse 3 phases where you contributed in one or more ways:

Early game: You got caps, you got to farm dmg without taking much in return, you got a DD killed or seriously crippeled.

Midgame: You win a flank and secure a crossfire by killing ships or pushing them away, You win a DPM advantage for your Team by killing ships and not loosing much HP in return.

Endgame: You win by trading your ship against several others, you win by Cap or securing/defending caps, you win by simply securing your ships and let the points that are in your favor tick down (this is a big one, lost countless games because 50% players pushed for damage instead of simply running/going dark and winning in 1-2 minutes time

 

As a more practical hint, you might want to brush up on tactics, as I said even though its a teamgame, you want to win thouse 1 vs 1 situations as they play a huge part in winning a DPM advantage for your team.

Just a few examples that you know what I am talking about:

 

Using acceleration/deacceleration to doge more shells.

Baite other players in shooting you when they should not.

Abusing the Aimassist in this game: Turning out on slow speed, instead of full turn, [edited] with the aimassist (when you press "X" on an enemy ship), so alot of people who dont know this will miss because of it.

Using smoke/Ilands effectively to farm damage without taking dmg.

For example only smoke up after the enemy DD shoot you so that he stays spotted by your teammates.

Another example would be that the rendersystem around ilands can also be abused to shoot with your backturret without beeing spotted.

(thouse bugs are in the game for soo long that they can be considered a feature)

 

There are also more advanced tactics, like using a stupid move of your teammate (you cant to anything about this) to at least farm damage yourself. Situational awareness is not only important for yourself, but you must be aware of what your (stupid) team is doing.

[Ze_Reckless]

These numbers are comparable to mine when I had ~1k battles. My biggest problem was survival, I would never care for my HP and try to use all guns more often than I should have.

Sometimes I would trade my ship for two in the first 5 minutes and then watch my team lose.

 

This is what I did to correct that behaviour:

• When I died I stayed in battle, watched how others played. Learned from their successes and failures.
• I figured out why/how I died and what I could have done better to avoid it.
• I watched my own replays of good and terrible games. The first thing I noticed: I missed a lot when I played the battle, especially on the minimap. (opportunity to kill off a low hp target, I gave way too much broadside but didn't get punished = pure luck, etc.) Even in my best replays I will find something that I could have done better.
• I forced myself to look at the minimap most of the time. First priority question: What can kill me, visible and undetected threats? I tried to predict what the enemies could do to surprise me.
• I tend to be too aggressive so I focused on stopping myself from overcommitting. Also I tried to focus on defense (basic stuff like using front guns only), just tried to not throw away my ship for nothing. Keeping my eyes on the minimap was crucial for this.

I didn't get better over night, it was a long process.

 

In 2015/16 I felt that I was starting to really understand this game when I had 1 - 1.5k battles. With all the additions to the game since then it may take longer to get to that point.

[SeaWolf7]

18 hours ago, Azetbur said:

Hullo everyone!

 

I'm terrible at this game, and I won't blame any R&G for it either. No, the problem is me. In most games, I'm usually the one that dies in the first 5 minutes. If not, I'd probably be the one that's scored 4 hits in the entire match. Always in the lower bottom half of the leaderboard regardless of what happens.

 

Trouble is, I can't seem to figure out how to get any better. Here's the gamplay principles I've always tried to follow:

 

• Situational awarness: I play on a big screen, so I always keep the map as enlarged as it gets.

 

• Familiarity with my ship: I know my detection, artillery & torpedo ranges off the top of my head.

 

• Following my role: Unless the situation is desperate, I don't brawl against battleships in a cruiser, or go off to an empty cap in a battleship.

 

• Unpredictability: No going in straight lines, at one speed, straight for the cap. I change course frequently, and try and use alternative routes to my destination.
   
• Team work: I'm no lone wolf, on the contrary in fact. I love stay close to battleships and provide AA if I'm in a cruiser, or spot targets as a detroyer.

 

Here's the thing though, I'm still terrible. I don't see anything "wrong" with my gameplay per say. My aim, although by no means extraordinary, is decent. I've decided to go back to basics today, bought a Tier 2 ship and headed to battle. Which is why I'm here now... after a few games of absolute carnage, mostly by bots, I'm just realizing to what extent I really don't know what I'm doing.

 

So, any feedback is very much appreciated, and thanks for taking your time to read this!

Cudos for reaching out Sir

 

One thing that i notice regards to your stats is i get the impression you change ship roles allot. (correct me if wrong) Even though you state you are familiar with you ship "and know my detection, artillery & torpedo ranges off the top of my head."   You play Cruisers and DD's being the most, mixed in with some BB and CV play as well as subs too...so which ship are you referring to? all 34? I couldn't do that.

Sure This is going to give you a good overview of the game in general looking from the perspective of different ships you encounter in the game. However if you are tying to improve and get some consistency in games its harder to do this if you ship peramiters/skills and attributes keep changing often.

 

Try and stick with 1 class of ship a little longer ie this Month ill play destroyers and my aim is to stay alive till the end of the game etc. This Mointh cruisers and ill cover DD's religiously etc..Whatever you choose stick with it till you feel you have improved and gained good or significant knowledge that that Specific role brings to you team before moving on to a completely different set of ship roles and peramiters. If this is changing all the time frequently its gunna be hard to stay alive because you detection concealment firing range etc etc are changing too often. You cant influence the game if your dead so staying alive is key.

 

Just a thought and my 6 cents.

Good luck.

 

[arttuperkunas]

49% at 1k games is where most of us were  at that point. What you probably need is experience rather than advice, i.e. learning the thousand little things that separate an ok player from a good one. That said, as others have already mentioned, post a replay for detailed comments.

[The_Chiv]

19 hours ago, Azetbur said:

Hullo everyone!

 

I'm terrible at this game, and I won't blame any R&G for it either. No, the problem is me. In most games, I'm usually the one that dies in the first 5 minutes. If not, I'd probably be the one that's scored 4 hits in the entire match. Always in the lower bottom half of the leaderboard regardless of what happens.

 

Trouble is, I can't seem to figure out how to get any better. Here's the gamplay principles I've always tried to follow:

 

• Situational awarness: I play on a big screen, so I always keep the map as enlarged as it gets.

 

• Familiarity with my ship: I know my detection, artillery & torpedo ranges off the top of my head.

 

• Following my role: Unless the situation is desperate, I don't brawl against battleships in a cruiser, or go off to an empty cap in a battleship.

 

• Unpredictability: No going in straight lines, at one speed, straight for the cap. I change course frequently, and try and use alternative routes to my destination.
   
• Team work: I'm no lone wolf, on the contrary in fact. I love stay close to battleships and provide AA if I'm in a cruiser, or spot targets as a detroyer.

 

Here's the thing though, I'm still terrible. I don't see anything "wrong" with my gameplay per say. My aim, although by no means extraordinary, is decent. I've decided to go back to basics today, bought a Tier 2 ship and headed to battle. Which is why I'm here now... after a few games of absolute carnage, mostly by bots, I'm just realizing to what extent I really don't know what I'm doing.

 

So, any feedback is very much appreciated, and thanks for taking your time to read this!

Situational Awareness: RMB is your friend and is a great way to your head on a swivel while pounding shells on target.

 

Familiarity with your ship: I would suggest you do simple youtube search using this format. World of warships and then ship name. Watch learn imitate.

 

Following my role: Ok so here is the thing when it comes to roles. Not all ships apply to the preconceived class rolls. Some DDs are REALLY bad at capping and or spotting other dds.

 

Unpredictability: This is a good thing, but the moment you fire your guns and give away your position it is a bit of a moot point till you are back in concealment again. I will say that Engine mod and learning to brake juke can save you a ton of damage while waiting to get back to conceal. 

 

Team Work: There are several things that you can do that can make a world of difference.  Spotting, focus fire on priority targets(dds and radar ships), and supporting DDs who risk their necks to provide you vision are probably the three biggest things you should focus on. 

 

The best advice I can give to you is to play a few matches and then to go rewatch the replay and change perspective so you can see how the match plays out. See where you could do better. Learn from your mistakes. Oh yeah..Just cause you have a rear turret(s) doesnt mean you always need to use them, showing too much broadside is always a mistake.