American BB split

[BoxOfAngryBees]

So i just got the Kansas ....

 

I didnt like the Colorado but every once in a while I do like the gameplay. "Try out the american split line" i thought "cant get any worse than colorado" i thought.

good lord was I wrong ....

 

After comparing the guns of the kansas (and the minnesota, by extension, as they share the same gun) to a few other guns (carolina/kearsarge, amagi, bismarck). I was shocked to see just how horrendous the guns are .... they are the worst guns at T8 stats wise (and t9 even, for that matter) and by quite the margin, even .... There is literally nothing redeeming about the line and it is bottom tier in every meaningful aspect. The AA might be top of the class but thanks to the ludicrous carrier meta, thats like being the fastest man with a fork at a soup eating competition.... Im tempted to go into a rant here, but I wont.

Am i doing something wrong? Ive watched some peeps on the youtubes but all they are really doing is shrugging  ... is this line really as bad as Im experiencing it?

And on a side note, I find it a bit insulting that that the Kearsarge has the much better North Carolina guns on top of it being a hybrid ... really taking the fukkin pi$$ if you ask me.

 

.... I also just saw that the Colorado is my most played ship .... quite the sour realization, seeing as I didnt like it

[Panocek]

10 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

Am i doing something wrong?

Yes, you're not skipping the line with Free Exp as WG envisioned.

 

Most recent tech tree releases consist of ships that can be charitably described as "meh" and only T10 is decent to good, to... incentivize usage of Free Exp or premium account to sped up the grind.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

The Colorado actually has pretty decent guns... only, by the time she actually gets 'there', there's precious little to shoot at.

[BoxOfAngryBees]

2 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

The Colorado actually has pretty decent guns... only, by the time she actually gets 'there', there's precious little to shoot at.

At t7 theyre good, which is why I also enjoyed the gameplay - under the right circumstances, I was even able to push in the Colorado quite succesfuly ... but when I look at the Kansas/Minnesota, they have basically equivalent penn ... and that at T8 and t9! I may as well throw HE but with that kind of dispersion, anything less than the size of a BB and im not hitting squat ... but with the penn, all my HE shells are going to shatter ... And with the continental size of the ship and its superstructure as well as its glacial maneuverability, any pushing would be plain stupid

its almost as if this is some kind of grudge theyre acting on ...

 

but whatevs - no one is forcing me to grind this atrocity so ill leave it, i suppose... To bad too, kinda like the gameplay.

[NewHorizons_1]

I've got perma cammos for both Kansas (Gold Eagle from early access) & Colorado (Independence Day) and still the only time they get played is to knock off rewards such as snowflakes.

I suppose I ought to start the grind towards Vermonster, but I dread that the progress is going to be somewhere between "glacial" and "tectonic"

3 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

The Colorado actually has pretty decent guns... only, by the time she actually gets 'there', there's precious little to shoot at.

Now try playing these in co-op - where matches are really short.

 

34 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

... like being the fastest man with a fork at a soup eating competition

Great metaphor

[GulvkluderGuld]

Kansas is a floating crime against humanity  the player base, Minnesota is only a floating atrocity. Vermont is actually playable.

 

Seriously though, you picked the wrong line. Go with the fast BBs or even better, go with a different nation!

[SodaBubbles]

For sure. Kansas is ridiculous and Minnesota trash.

I actually had fun with Kansas grinding it up in coop, though. It's such incredible trash that it was a challenge against the old bots (the updated bots suck and are no fun to play against).

In Minnesota I had a 337K coop game, so had some fun grinding that in coop.

I played Kansas in Randoms once. Once.

It sucks that the developers ruined what could have been a really fun and challenging line of BBs with slow reloads, poor gun performance, and iffy armor. Kansas is one of the easiest BBs to citadel too, on top of her crap guns.

[lafeel]

1 hour ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

Am i doing something wrong?

Yes, you should have gone for the Ncal instead.

[BoxOfAngryBees]

1 minute ago, lafeel said:

Yes, you should have gone for the Ncal instead.

Im already down to the Iowa, dont really want to get into t10 gameplay because I dont buy premtime or really bother with camos or flags (Ill use the ones i have but im not buying any new ones out of principle), so ill go broke doing so.

 

guess ill see if I cant scratch that gameplay itch with a different ship

[lafeel]

31 minutes ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

Im already down to the Iowa, dont really want to get into t10 gameplay because I dont buy premtime or really bother with camos or flags (Ill use the ones i have but im not buying any new ones out of principle), so ill go broke doing so.

 

guess ill see if I cant scratch that gameplay itch with a different ship

Friendly suggestion: Make it something that isn't saddled with a 23 knot top speed and a 40 second reload.

 

Anything else really..

[tocqueville8]

1 hour ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

After comparing the guns of the kansas (and the minnesota, by extension, as they share the same gun)

Minnesota can mount the -11% dispersion module in the last slot, Kansas can't.

 

As a result, she is much less infuriating:

 

 

Weirdly enough, Minnesota has the highest average dmg of any T9 BB for me, and she's the only BB I ever got a Solo Warrior with... 

[totally_potato]

4 hours ago, BoxOfAngryBees said:

So i just got the Kansas ....

 

I didnt like the Colorado but every once in a while I do like the gameplay. "Try out the american split line" i thought "cant get any worse than colorado" i thought.

good lord was I wrong ....

 

After comparing the guns of the kansas (and the minnesota, by extension, as they share the same gun) to a few other guns (carolina/kearsarge, amagi, bismarck). I was shocked to see just how horrendous the guns are .... they are the worst guns at T8 stats wise (and t9 even, for that matter) and by quite the margin, even .... There is literally nothing redeeming about the line and it is bottom tier in every meaningful aspect. The AA might be top of the class but thanks to the ludicrous carrier meta, thats like being the fastest man with a fork at a soup eating competition.... Im tempted to go into a rant here, but I wont.

Am i doing something wrong? Ive watched some peeps on the youtubes but all they are really doing is shrugging  ... is this line really as bad as Im experiencing it?

And on a side note, I find it a bit insulting that that the Kearsarge has the much better North Carolina guns on top of it being a hybrid ... really taking the fukkin pi$$ if you ask me.

 

.... I also just saw that the Colorado is my most played ship .... quite the sour realization, seeing as I didnt like it

don't worry

 

Minnie gets a bit better, and Vermont is a monster

[AkerJack]

It is just a different game play for me. I have both lines and even though I prefer the Montana line (which is my favourite ship) I find good also the other ones. With the Minnesota I erased in 1 salvo a Conqueror and with the Vermont I can hit hard almost everyone besides the AA is fantastic. But she must be played from afar, she s no brawler because of the speed and never must go yolo.

 

As I said...it is just a different play style.

[Miscommunication_dept]

Vermont is a deadly ship, soldier on through the grind.

 

 

[Yedwy]

12 hours ago, Panocek said:

Yes, you're not skipping the line with Free Exp as WG envisioned.

This

 

Or even better - get the Ohio and ignore it?

[The_Pillager]

10 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

This

 

Or even better - get the Ohio and ignore it?

Thats what I did and I am quite happy with it ^^

 

Encountered a Kansas yesterday on my maiden voyage in my black Shinyhorse .

He brutally smacked me twice on my way to get him, but his reload was too long, so I got close enough to torp and citadel him and survive.

 

Kansas ist just ... a desaster ... sorry to say.

Personally i didnt bother to go further up the line.

 

[Panocek]

15 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Or even better - get the Ohio and ignore it?

On other hand, why get Ohio when you could get yourself a Georgia, same but better guns mounted on much more enjoyable hull and tier lower

[Yedwy]

2 minutes ago, Panocek said:

On other hand, why get Ohio when you could get yourself a Georgia, same but better guns mounted on much more enjoyable hull and tier lower

Is Georgia available?

[doerhoff_damian]

Vor 3 Minuten, Yedwy sagte:

Is Georgia available?

not anymore. Maybe she will become availible again in the future. Like in 5 Years for example.

Unless you count the santa crates as being availibe

[The_Pillager]

Wasnt Georgia not one of these ships that got removed lately ?

Think so.

[Panocek]

Just now, Yedwy said:

Is Georgia available?

Thats why could was used, sadly

[Yedwy]

1 minute ago, Panocek said:

Thats why could was used, sadly

Well we are talking present day, I do have her though

[The_Pillager]

On the other hand, Georgia is quite vulnerable when positioned wrong. I am dying way too early in it ^^

[Sir_Sinksalot]

Maybe you should have taken the North Carolina path instead?

 

I asked the forum for some notable comparisons differences and which line is more "meta" and overall more fun to play and while there were some leaning towards neither line(lol) more leaned towards the N-C line purely because they were faster BB's and the Kansas line are tragically slow hp piñatas for casual dmg farmers.

 

While I have not played the Kansas line I can report that I am pleasantly surprised by the N-C and it's fast become one of the more enjoyable grinds, very happy with my decision to take this line instead. Suits my cowardly sniping playstyle very much. I may have only recently started playing randoms on a regular basis but thousands of PvE battles at least honed my aiming skills and I can land shots with these BB's reliably enough.

 

Just to compare both these T8 BB's most notable differences that ultimately sealed my decisions.

 

Number of Guns = Kansas 4X3 vs 3X3

Reload Time = N-C 30s vs 40s (40s? om*g!!)

Gun Range = N-C 23.3km vs 22.7km

Concealment = N-C 15.2km vs 16.1km

Top Speed = N-C 27.5k vs 23k (23k? om*g no! just no!)

AP Shell velocity = Kansas 770m/s vs 701m/s (701m/s? om*g! but it redeems itself)

Accuracy = N-C 2 sigma vs 1.7 (see? N-C redeemed. 2 sigma for a BB is amazing. Learn to lead the slower shells and they reliably hit where you aim)

Dispersions= Kansas.... or is it? Almost the same tbh and when we consider the N-C has longer gun range means that both are most likely identical for vert and hor dispersion or VERY close.

HP= Kansas 67k vs 66k (meh...).

 

So there you have it. I have a little more cowardly sniper playstyle with the N-C compared to a Bismarck but most the difference between the N-C and Kansas is the reload time and ship speed. The Kansas unarguably leaves no margin for missing shots because a 40 seconds reload is a shhhh ton of downtime and inactivity no matter which way you cut it. What that means is if you miss your target or if your target gets killed just after you pull the trigger, it's going to be 1min and 20 seconds before you get to shoot again. Another miss? then make it 2 minutes of inactivity dealing no damage.... wow just, wow. Plus there's other moments that 40 second reload will be annoying too, like when an enemy ship makes a mistake or pops out from behind cover yet your guns are still 10 seconds away from a reload and the moment to heavily punish that target is lost.

 

When you couple that glacial gun reload to the ships glacial speed it just gets worse and worse. If the targets in your area are all dead or left before you had a chance to make some meaningful damage you just can't relocate quickly and might just have a very frustrating battle where you didn't do anything wrong really, yet finish the battle without having done much. Same deal if the teammates on your flank all die or run away quickly when the enemy makes a push down your flank, you can't relocate and will get farmed to death. Having the ability to "run away and fight another day" counts in this game and I've been in many battles where my flank failed, I ran away to the other flank and rallied back at the enemy to win the battle with a good personal result.. No there's nothing much about the Kansas or that style of ship that would appeal to me.

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

NC was a very good tier 8 BB, but my impressions are, of course, many years old.