The Pointlessness of Team Blaming

[DaBung]

This is a rampant plague in this game, it’s almost Standard practice for losers to blame the team or otherwise call-out ‘poor’ play. While the luck of the draw on teams is utterly infuriating, dictating the outcome of the match for all but the best players and many of the teams are unquestionably bad; complaining to them about it is ultimately always more than pointless…

 

Consider, a ‘bad’ player is going to be one these things:

1 - A troll, playing badly on purpose 

2 - Just not Good

3 - Is just casual and doesn’t really care about winning

For 1 they probably enjoying any kind of reaction from the people they are trolling, so not reacting is the best way to deal with them.

For 2 they are trying, and telling them they are useless is not exactly helping them improve, what they need is advice to what they should have done. 
For 3 they aren’t going to care what you say, so your just wasting your time 

 

As a player that regularly falls into the no.2 slot there I can say I would love to know what players thought I should have done when they call me an idiot etc… I would actually listen believe it or not and do my best to follow their advice if it seems sensible. What else can I do?…. I do think part of the problem here is just how good many players are, I am never going to be competitive with players who played this since it came out with my mere 2 years of playing with any realistic amount of commitment for a full time working person. 
 

I know in reality this is often a way of venting the frustration, particularly when you know victory was possible if you ally was just that bit better. Just consider their position a bit more, there are benefits to be gained and frankly nothing to lose from this. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

22 minutes ago, DaBung said:

This is a rampant plague in this game, it’s almost Standard practice for losers to blame the team or otherwise call-out ‘poor’ play. While the luck of the draw on teams is utterly infuriating, dictating the outcome of the match for all but the best players and many of the teams are unquestionably bad; complaining to them about it is ultimately always more than pointless…

 

Consider, a ‘bad’ player is going to be one these things:

1 - A troll, playing badly on purpose 

2 - Just not Good

3 - Is just casual and doesn’t really care about winning

For 1 they probably enjoying any kind of reaction from the people they are trolling, so not reacting is the best way to deal with them.

For 2 they are trying, and telling them they are useless is not exactly helping them improve, what they need is advice to what they should have done. 
For 3 they aren’t going to care what you say, so your just wasting your time 

 

As a player that regularly falls into the no.2 slot there I can say I would love to know what players thought I should have done when they call me an idiot etc… I would actually listen believe it or not and do my best to follow their advice if it seems sensible. What else can I do?…. I do think part of the problem here is just how good many players are, I am never going to be competitive with players who played this since it came out with my mere 2 years of playing with any realistic amount of commitment for a full time working person. 
 

I know in reality this is often a way of venting the frustration, particularly when you know victory was possible if you ally was just that bit better. Just consider their position a bit more, there are benefits to be gained and frankly nothing to lose from this. 

You are right. Absolutely. It's why I moved away from blaming specific players. To vent to my Div mates I tell them in VC instead of Ingame chat how displeased I am with the teams performance to vent and seek some sort of comfort. But to do that openly or to try to explain how bad someone played... no. It doesn't matter. There are as you said many reasons of which I can't be sure why they played badly or maybe even due to circumstances that I couldn't notice on the map. So I don't really have the right to actively blame certain persons unless they are clearly and purposefully griefing which can be spotted easily. 

 

Also after every loss to blame others instead of oneself is shifting blame and leading to not leaning from one's own mistakes. So despite blaming I try to tell myself and my Div mates to always attempt to play better in similar situations next time ourselves. We can't always carry the game but we sure as hell could improve our positions and make better decisions in the coming games no matter what teams we get. 

 

 

One thing though I love to do is troll players who cry in game. Enemy team for example being upset at me killing them in my CV are prime targets for some provocations. It's fair game then as they started it :D

[Wulf_Ace]

i just find it funny that player who blames the team is always a guy who dies first in some stupid way.

and if he is persistant enough,he stays and flames until the end of the game.

[FlyingBender]

Kill the reds, blame the greens!

[bobtherterrible]

It's kinda a long tradition now though isn't it?

[mdjmcnally]

Usually but not always is the guy playing a DD, the mini map shows that no support but still barrels in to contest the cap when blatantly no support then moans that didn’t get any support and then berates the team for the rest of the match.

 

is it really that hard to read where your own team is in and adjust your play.

[Long_live_France_I_surr]

4 hours ago, DaBung said:

This is a rampant plague in this game, it’s almost Standard practice for losers to blame the team or otherwise call-out ‘poor’ play. While the luck of the draw on teams is utterly infuriating, dictating the outcome of the match for all but the best players and many of the teams are unquestionably bad; complaining to them about it is ultimately always more than pointless…

 

Consider, a ‘bad’ player is going to be one these things:

1 - A troll, playing badly on purpose 

2 - Just not Good

3 - Is just casual and doesn’t really care about winning

For 1 they probably enjoying any kind of reaction from the people they are trolling, so not reacting is the best way to deal with them.

For 2 they are trying, and telling them they are useless is not exactly helping them improve, what they need is advice to what they should have done. 
For 3 they aren’t going to care what you say, so your just wasting your time 

 

As a player that regularly falls into the no.2 slot there I can say I would love to know what players thought I should have done when they call me an idiot etc… I would actually listen believe it or not and do my best to follow their advice if it seems sensible. What else can I do?…. I do think part of the problem here is just how good many players are, I am never going to be competitive with players who played this since it came out with my mere 2 years of playing with any realistic amount of commitment for a full time working person. 
 

I know in reality this is often a way of venting the frustration, particularly when you know victory was possible if you ally was just that bit better. Just consider their position a bit more, there are benefits to be gained and frankly nothing to lose from this. 

thats why i only blame the matchmaking now. the MM is problematic!

I am having more and more games that you could tell the outcome in just 5 minutes.....

[Ocsimano18]

If I check the stats on the post battle screen of a player making bad moves, I usually find that their WR is about 45%, so I can’t blame them for playing badly. Occassionally, it’s an 55+% guy who makes a bad move. I can’t play them either, I also sometimes make bad moves. If you want to have a better team, then move up to ranked silver and gold, you’ll see less blatant mistakes there.

[Camperdown]

While I agree with you in principle, there are a couple of things I find infuriating:

- players that simply aren't trying. They just float and piew. They don't help, they ignore priority targets etc 

- players that actively avoid any exposure to just farm damage even if it lets down the team badly

- players who actively move away from the action

- players that abandon their flank

- DDs that refuse to spot or hide behind bigger ships

- cruisers that refuse to support DDs 

- BBs that just farm damage on BBs and don't target cruisers

 

While I know that most of this is misguided incompetence or narrow minded egotism, it does bother me. So when you ask these players to help out or stop their counterproductive behaviour and they just tell you to sod off, I can get salty. I know it's useless, but I just can't help myself. And if they tell you to go  yourself, I don't feel obliged to stay silent.

 

If you are just not good (yet), I will not blame you for that. It will help if you try to contribute to the game. Don't yolo, don't camp, don't abandon your flank or your teammates and try to respond to requests for help (if they make sense and you are in a position to help). 

Do that, and at least I won't blame you in chat. 

 

Sorry, that's the best I can do 

 

 

[DaBung]

8 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

i just find it funny that player who blames the team is always a guy who dies first in some stupid way.

and if he is persistant enough,he stays and flames until the end of the game.

The one time I moaned about a team this exact thing happened to me. Complained how they Yoloed in and died…. They proceeded to yolo in and die 🤪 I did admit to my mistake, but it was a good reminder not to dig my own grave 😆

 

17 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Sorry, that's the best I can do 

I think it’s important to have some way of managing the frustration, personally I think moaning to friends as one of the posters said is a good one… or just not playing for a while, time cures all after all. 
 

Talking about camping and pushing, this is a balance I find very hard to get right as a mediocre player… I always push too hard or not enough at the wrong time etc… I think more experienced players forget how hard this is for newer or less gifted players to learn. It’s one of the hardest aspect of the game in my opinion and you only need to mess up once and your dead (or your teammate is). 

[quickr]

9 hours ago, DaBung said:

I would actually listen believe it or not and do my best to follow their advice

You would not. no one ever does.

 

[Pukovnik7]

10 hours ago, Wulf_Ace said:

i just find it funny that player who blames the team is always a guy who dies first in some stupid way.

and if he is persistant enough,he stays and flames until the end of the game.

Yeah, that is a regular occurence. One game I remember really stood out for me because... well, it was obvious to anyone but that guy that he was going to die. He was in a cruiser, and sailed into the cap - and even beyond it. In fact, he overtook me (I was playing a destroyer), passed through the cap... broadside to a destroyer, a cruiser and I think one or two battleships? I told him to go back, that he is going to die... he told me that I am an idiot and to should shut up. Predictably, he died. Next thing he did? He started complaining in chat about how we are morons, incompetents, how we did not support him and he, the poor soul, died due to our incompetence...

 

Well, hell. I mean, I am far from most patient player, and I am somewhat given to rushing a cap in a destroyer and even in a battleship... but I bloody take responsibility for it, and I do feel like I have gotten better in avoiding sticky situations when doing so. But some people just have Marianas Trench sized egos which make them allergic to even the thought of learning, because that would mean admitting to being wrong, and they can never be wrong... nevermind that he just yoloed into a cap in a cruiser, gave broadside to two battleships and a destroyer, and ate three citadels and half a dozen torpedoes. No, he did nothing wrong, nothing to see there, moving on to blaming the team and CAPS LOCK-ing in the chat.

[Redcap375]

I grew up in a world that wasn't afraid to tell someone the truth. If your crap and in my team, i'm gonna call you crap if you die like a crippled chicken.  No bones about it and they don't wanna listen then I couldn't give a stuff, if they don't like it, fine.

 

I don't believe in living with blissful ignorance and people need to come to terms with reality. Only when you embrace that can you truly fix the problem or be content with what you have. 

 

Just had a game where it was over before it begun..."onesided, gg" was my message right from the start and: We lost, badly.

 

Most games are over before it's begun. It's the hard truth of life. 

 

 

 

 

 

[bobtherterrible]

1 minute ago, Redcap375 said:

I grew up in a world that wasn't afraid to tell someone the truth. If your crap and in my team, i'm gonna call you crap if you die like a crippled chicken.  No bones about it and they don't wanna listen then I couldn't give a stuff, if they don't like it, fine. I don't believe in living with blissful ignorance and people need to come to terms with reality. 

 

Just had a game where it was over before it begun..."onesided, gg" was my message right from the start and: We lost, badly.

 

Most games are over before it's begun.

 

Many would say that deciding it's a lost cause right at the start and spreading bad sentiment among your team is as bad as anything else. I'm certainly not going to try that hard when some cretin is spamming negative vibes in the chat. 

 

I have had MM running for a while for interest's sake. 
It's amazing how low the average win rate is on teams.

It's also amazing how many games don't go to form.

[Figment]

Meh, got called a noob for being top three in a Haarlem yesterday, luring five ships (including his) out of position to overextend into a crossfire and killing off three, including the clearly-not-a-noob. He then whined that (my 61% WR Haarlem) has bad stats on it (yes it can get instagibbed lowering average damage per match, who knew?) so I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about. He of course, had his stats hidden, but would reveal them to me if I promised I'd instantly quit if they'd be better than mine. (lol, sure, a Kiev captain that kept missing torps and proclaimed I hit an island, even if I just used it as strategic forward position cover, determined his position through the spotting warning and baited his torps, thrice (none hit and it never occured to him in the late game to use his Kiev's guns from smoke to kill my 6K remaining Haarlem - of course I hydroed him to death from 5km since he stayed in his fog, the clearly-not-a-noob) and this put him into a ragefit post-match.

 

He even whined with horrible grammar and spelling of course, which he said was too cool slang for me to comprehend, that he as some sort of a master of intellects wouldn't be able to explain Shalespeare to me. Yes, Shalespeare. I then of course freely quoted from Hamlet, King Lear and MacBeth, but he didn't even recognise I was using Shakespearean quotes and applying it to him... Oh well. He proceeded to call me a monkey for having a couple bad stats on some ships and then I asked if he enjoyed being shot by trained monkeys. "It was four vs one!" Never mind that I was the only one targeting him as the rest was targeting a carrier. Not that he noticed with his amazing situational awareness.

 

 

 

Ah the butthurt. Such enjoyment. So was the report of improper behaviour.

[Harvin87]

11 horas antes, Wulf_Ace dijo:

i just find it funny that player who blames the team is always a guy who dies first in some stupid way.

and if he is persistant enough,he stays and flames until the end of the game.

Lmao yes, and after they suicide in 3 min then comes the classic "Thnx for the support, n00bs"

[Redcap375]

6 hours ago, bobtherterrible said:

Many would say that deciding it's a lost cause right at the start and spreading bad sentiment among your team is as bad as anything else. I'm certainly not going to try that hard when some cretin is spamming negative vibes in the chat. 

 

I have had MM running for a while for interest's sake. 
It's amazing how low the average win rate is on teams.

It's also amazing how many games don't go to form.

 

Don't agree.  

 

Its mostly over and 6 years of experience has taught me that. Anything over 3-4% avr team WR, it's over.

 

Playing solo is pure chicken bones and you ride with the MM tide. There are far too many bad players around now and they offset your own good stats. 

[DaBung]

2 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

I grew up in a world that wasn't afraid to tell someone the truth. If your crap and in my team, i'm gonna call you crap if you die like a crippled chicken.  No bones about it and they don't wanna listen then I couldn't give a stuff, if they don't like it, fine. I don't believe in living with blissful ignorance and people need to come to terms with reality. 

 

Just had a game where it was over before it begun..."onesided, gg" was my message right from the start and: We lost, badly.

 

Most games are over before it's begun.

 

 

 

 

 

Problem with this kind of mentality is that it assumes ‘truth’ is a universal constant, which in my opinion it’s not. everyone has there own truth and it’s arrogant to assume yours overrules someone’s else’s.]
 

Within the context of the game I don’t really see what point your making, it does not change the points I made at the start. Any comment that is not a simple and timely explanation of what a good move would be (or have been) is the only thing worth any time with ‘bad’ players… everything else is somewhere between a waste of time and actively making the problem worse. 

[nlegolass]

Aethervoxx seems to dislike this thread intensly.

I wonder why.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

3 hours ago, DaBung said:

Problem with this kind of mentality is that it assumes ‘truth’ is a universal constant, which in my opinion it’s not. everyone has there own truth and it’s arrogant to assume yours overrules someone’s else’s.

I'm unsure how you can function with a mindset like that. My arsehole sits between my arsecheeks. It is quite an uncomfortable idea to me to hear yours may very well sit smack in the middle of your face. 

 

j/k

 

On topic: people ranting about how crap their team is are usually either right or wrong. It all depends on wether the team is actuualy good or not ^^

[Ronchabale]

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[Redcap375]

4 hours ago, DaBung said:

Problem with this kind of mentality is that it assumes ‘truth’ is a universal constant, which in my opinion it’s not. everyone has there own truth and it’s arrogant to assume yours overrules someone’s else’s.]
 

Within the context of the game I don’t really see what point your making, it does not change the points I made at the start. Any comment that is not a simple and timely explanation of what a good move would be (or have been) is the only thing worth any time with ‘bad’ players… everything else is somewhere between a waste of time and actively making the problem worse. 

 

 whattttt... 

 

You might have your own truths but I'll stick with the actual truths thanks. 

 

Like humans are destroying the rainforest, water is wet and there are bad players and teams in this game. 

 

The trouble is some people refuse to except the truth, its very human. So the question is... Do you take it laying down or do you stand up and do something about it. 

 

Many players would rather be kicked on the floor in the fetual position, expecting some knight in shinning armour to appear and win the game for them. What do they learn if nothing is said to them? 

 

To stay on the floor for longer. 

[Yosha_AtaIante]

4 hours ago, DaBung said:

Problem with this kind of mentality is that it assumes ‘truth’ is a universal constant, which in my opinion it’s not. everyone has there own truth and it’s arrogant to assume yours overrules someone’s else’s.]
 

Within the context of the game I don’t really see what point your making, it does not change the points I made at the start. Any comment that is not a simple and timely explanation of what a good move would be (or have been) is the only thing worth any time with ‘bad’ players… everything else is somewhere between a waste of time and actively making the problem worse. 

truth or "facts" are either that or lies. If you interpret the truth for something else then it's not the truth anymore.

 

It's like saying an apple is a tomato for you because in your view an apple definitely has to be a tomato too.

It doesn't make the apple a tomato though and it doesn't make the apple take on the peculiarities of a tomato either. The apple keeps being an apple no matter how much you want it to be a tomato.

[Takethatyoubeast]

I try not to blame, I’m more inclined to praise good play or good luck 🤣

 

Some of the chat from the enemy team against their own team is really bad in the “Chat all” option 

 

That said I did call a triple Kearsarge division on the red team “Saucy” for which I apologise 

[SlavicNoOb]

19 hours ago, DaBung said:

This is a rampant plague in this game, it’s almost Standard practice for losers to blame the team or otherwise call-out ‘poor’ play. While the luck of the draw on teams is utterly infuriating, dictating the outcome of the match for all but the best players and many of the teams are unquestionably bad; complaining to them about it is ultimately always more than pointless…

 

Consider, a ‘bad’ player is going to be one these things:

1 - A troll, playing badly on purpose 

2 - Just not Good

3 - Is just casual and doesn’t really care about winning

For 1 they probably enjoying any kind of reaction from the people they are trolling, so not reacting is the best way to deal with them.

For 2 they are trying, and telling them they are useless is not exactly helping them improve, what they need is advice to what they should have done. 
For 3 they aren’t going to care what you say, so your just wasting your time 

 

As a player that regularly falls into the no.2 slot there I can say I would love to know what players thought I should have done when they call me an idiot etc… I would actually listen believe it or not and do my best to follow their advice if it seems sensible. What else can I do?…. I do think part of the problem here is just how good many players are, I am never going to be competitive with players who played this since it came out with my mere 2 years of playing with any realistic amount of commitment for a full time working person. 
 

I know in reality this is often a way of venting the frustration, particularly when you know victory was possible if you ally was just that bit better. Just consider their position a bit more, there are benefits to be gained and frankly nothing to lose from this. 

1. Watch some youtube vids where they give tips.
2. After every lost battle evaluate your own performance by asking the following questions: did I make a mistake and could have I played better moves/made better decisions. That mistake can be anything, from positioning yourself badly, rushing, not using terrain to your advantage, relying too much on team, not taking into account the composition of ships on each team etc.

If you do this consistently you will get to become better gradually, and even may end up being a great player after few thousand battles.

One more tip: play all classes of ships, even if some don't seem to be your favorite. That is the best way to learn how to counter them, and it is very likely that you will like them once you figure out how to be good in them.