NeonViolet Players 18 posts Report post #1 Posted November 9, 2021 As the title says I will be taking an indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed from the game. I don't feel like these ships belong in the game they create a whole new scenario for DD's because not only do they now have to focus on spotting for other ships on top of capturing key locations they now have to focus on hunting submarines down as well which 90% of them don't even bother doing. I had 2 matches on my kremlin, one where an enemy submarine did more than 90k damage to me with only 4 torp hits while my damage con was on cooldown from 3 fires from a Hindenburg, the fact that they can do that much damage while remaining completely hidden is absolutely absurd, the second match I was continuously hounded by a submarine while our DD's were focused on capturing locations and even asking for help had no effect the team simply did not care about the sub so it was my problem to deal with and I ended up dying without being able to contribute much to the team by an enemy I cannot detect. I spent quite a lot to get the Warhammer ship the Ragnarok since I am a huge Warhammer fan which I sorely regret now the combat mission won't be utilized simply because I refuse to play with submarines anymore I play mostly random battles because I do not consider myself a good enough player to play ranked and most players in random battles do not care about team strategy which 90% causes a lot of losses as a lone wolf is going to care only about himself and no one else. I really enjoy this game when I do not see submarines in my matches but absolutely despise the game when I do encounter them both on the enemy and in my team. So yeah I will be taking a break until they are removed I guess I will go have a look at war thunder after all. 9 1 6 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOBZ] C0deXx Beta Tester 35 posts 17,307 battles Report post #2 Posted November 9, 2021 Bye 😊 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-LIK-] FlamingHooligan Players 111 posts 10,163 battles Report post #3 Posted November 9, 2021 15 minutes ago, NeonViolet said: As the title says I will be taking an indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed from the game. I don't feel like these ships belong in the game they create a whole new scenario for DD's because not only do they now have to focus on spotting for other ships on top of capturing key locations they now have to focus on hunting submarines down as well which 90% of them don't even bother doing. I had 2 matches on my kremlin, one where an enemy submarine did more than 90k damage to me with only 4 torp hits while my damage con was on cooldown from 3 fires from a Hindenburg, the fact that they can do that much damage while remaining completely hidden is absolutely absurd, the second match I was continuously hounded by a submarine while our DD's were focused on capturing locations and even asking for help had no effect the team simply did not care about the sub so it was my problem to deal with and I ended up dying without being able to contribute much to the team by an enemy I cannot detect. I spent quite a lot to get the Warhammer ship the Ragnarok since I am a huge Warhammer fan which I sorely regret now the combat mission won't be utilized simply because I refuse to play with submarines anymore I play mostly random battles because I do not consider myself a good enough player to play ranked and most players in random battles do not care about team strategy which 90% causes a lot of losses as a lone wolf is going to care only about himself and no one else. I really enjoy this game when I do not see submarines in my matches but absolutely despise the game when I do encounter them both on the enemy and in my team. So yeah I will be taking a break until they are removed I guess I will go have a look at war thunder after all. I wouldn't hold my breath mate, the same was said about Cvs and they are still here and so are a lot of the folk how said they were out. I don't agree with all that has been added to the game and some of the mechanics, it keeps you on your toes and forces you to adapt which I suppose is the challenge you know you wanted but just didn't know it yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #4 Posted November 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, FlamingHooligan said: I wouldn't hold my breath mate, the same was said about Cvs and they are still here and so are a lot of the folk how said they were out. I don't agree with all that has been added to the game and some of the mechanics, it keeps you on your toes and forces you to adapt which I suppose is the challenge you know you wanted but just didn't know it yet. CVs were in the game from the start, they were reworked not added 2 or so years ago and many that left then are sorely missed 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-LIK-] FlamingHooligan Players 111 posts 10,163 battles Report post #5 Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Yedwy said: CVs were in the game from the start, they were reworked not added 2 or so years ago and many that left then are sorely missed My Apologies, I meant that they were (are) a contention that people stated that they would walk and only return on their removal (or changed back to rts style gameplay), not that they were a new addition as they were. I was one that said the same thing back then but did come back as I loved the game which I had to adapt to to continue enjoying it. You'd only have to go back through the myriad of threads to see all the ones that said the same and are still here, and not that there is anything wrong with that but it only proves that they loved the game too and were willing to push on and continue despite the upset. No doubt some did not return which as you pointed out is a shame. Subs are getting nerfs in patch 10.10 anyway I believe, aren't they? My advice OP would be to take a break and come back down the track with a fresh head. when you can enjoy yourself again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[G-O-M] Aethervoxx Players 2,597 posts 13,191 battles Report post #6 Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Yedwy said: CVs were in the game from the start, they were reworked not added 2 or so years ago and many that left then are sorely missed Agreed, many good & intelligent players left when WG ruined their own creation with the CV rework. 2 hours ago, NeonViolet said: I will be taking an indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed I'm sure some more good & intelligent players will leave once Subs go live (as you say you will do). Unfortunately, the writing is on the wall. Look at WoT to see what will happen, what is happening to WoWS. WG doesn't care. WG only cares about money. A player not spending money won't matter either. WG uses us 'continue to play' players to prop up their scam. Therefore, there's only one solution & that is to stop playing any WG product. We 'internal combustion engine warship' afficionados need a new player funded game - one based on historical reality & balance - if that can be designed. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KKDR] webaake Players 302 posts Report post #7 Posted November 9, 2021 Unfortunately it doesn't seem to get any better with the sub situation. In 10.10 they have reworked the underwater graphics, something they wouldn't do if they were unsure of the future for subs. And, as said, the buff for the subs is also a bad sign for the future. WG is determined to sell the subs. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 2,533 posts Report post #8 Posted November 9, 2021 4 hours ago, NeonViolet said: As the title says I will be taking an indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed from the game. I don't feel like these ships belong in the game they create a whole new scenario for DD's because not only do they now have to focus on spotting for other ships on top of capturing key locations they now have to focus on hunting submarines down as well which 90% of them don't even bother doing. I had 2 matches on my kremlin, one where an enemy submarine did more than 90k damage to me with only 4 torp hits while my damage con was on cooldown from 3 fires from a Hindenburg, the fact that they can do that much damage while remaining completely hidden is absolutely absurd, the second match I was continuously hounded by a submarine while our DD's were focused on capturing locations and even asking for help had no effect the team simply did not care about the sub so it was my problem to deal with and I ended up dying without being able to contribute much to the team by an enemy I cannot detect. I spent quite a lot to get the Warhammer ship the Ragnarok since I am a huge Warhammer fan which I sorely regret now the combat mission won't be utilized simply because I refuse to play with submarines anymore I play mostly random battles because I do not consider myself a good enough player to play ranked and most players in random battles do not care about team strategy which 90% causes a lot of losses as a lone wolf is going to care only about himself and no one else. I really enjoy this game when I do not see submarines in my matches but absolutely despise the game when I do encounter them both on the enemy and in my team. So yeah I will be taking a break until they are removed I guess I will go have a look at war thunder after all. Subs won't get removed The addition of a premium sub confirms it So they will probably be added to the tech tree in 10.11 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #9 Posted November 9, 2021 3 hours ago, webaake said: the buff for the subs what buff??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bobtherterrible Players 867 posts 14,307 battles Report post #10 Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, totally_potato said: So they will probably be added to the tech tree in 10.11 in 0.10.11? Do you think once they're introduced they'll up it to 1.0.0? I mean that's got to be a finished game by then rather than this eternal early release stuff.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] lovelacebeer Players 4,158 posts 25,226 battles Report post #11 Posted November 9, 2021 Sadly the subs are pretty guaranteed to stay and considering the appallingly poor effort by WG to implement them I can’t see it getting better anytime soon. Still plenty of other games out there just sadly non that do such a good job of visually representing naval warships. Enjoy your break OP I’m certain you won’t regret it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPURD] Itwastuesday Players 1,768 posts 13,581 battles Report post #12 Posted November 9, 2021 7 hours ago, NeonViolet said: I don't feel like these ships belong in the game they create a whole new scenario for DD's because not only do they now have to focus on spotting for other ships on top of capturing key locations they now have to focus on hunting submarines down as well which 90% of them don't even bother doing. Not really. Hunting submarines is an utter and total waste of time. 12 depth bomb hits Divmate battleship plane bomb hits Sub still alive and again invisible GG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #13 Posted November 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said: Not really. Hunting submarines is an utter and total waste of time. 12 depth bomb hits Divmate battleship plane bomb hits Sub still alive and again invisible GG Maybe he should have tried to hit the same sub with those. btw 12 depth charges equal at least 24k dmg. Considering subs only having around 14k hp it's impossible no matter what for one to tank that much since they cant heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPURD] Itwastuesday Players 1,768 posts 13,581 battles Report post #14 Posted November 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Yosha_nai said: Maybe he should have tried to hit the same sub with those. btw 12 depth charges equal at least 24k dmg. Considering subs only having around 14k hp it's impossible no matter what for one to tank that much since they cant heal. No, because depth charges don't do the full listed damage much like HE shells and submarines don't even have a citadel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,310 battles Report post #15 Posted November 9, 2021 7 hours ago, NeonViolet said: As the title says I will be taking an indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed from the game. I don't feel like these ships belong in the game they create a whole new scenario for DD's because not only do they now have to focus on spotting for other ships on top of capturing key locations they now have to focus on hunting submarines down as well which 90% of them don't even bother doing. I had 2 matches on my kremlin, one where an enemy submarine did more than 90k damage to me with only 4 torp hits while my damage con was on cooldown from 3 fires from a Hindenburg, the fact that they can do that much damage while remaining completely hidden is absolutely absurd, the second match I was continuously hounded by a submarine while our DD's were focused on capturing locations and even asking for help had no effect the team simply did not care about the sub so it was my problem to deal with and I ended up dying without being able to contribute much to the team by an enemy I cannot detect. I spent quite a lot to get the Warhammer ship the Ragnarok since I am a huge Warhammer fan which I sorely regret now the combat mission won't be utilized simply because I refuse to play with submarines anymore I play mostly random battles because I do not consider myself a good enough player to play ranked and most players in random battles do not care about team strategy which 90% causes a lot of losses as a lone wolf is going to care only about himself and no one else. I really enjoy this game when I do not see submarines in my matches but absolutely despise the game when I do encounter them both on the enemy and in my team. So yeah I will be taking a break until they are removed I guess I will go have a look at war thunder after all. 863 battles and you are leaving, I dont think WG will miss you. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,310 battles Report post #16 Posted November 9, 2021 7 hours ago, NeonViolet said: As the title says I will be taking an indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed from the game. I don't feel like these ships belong in the game they create a whole new scenario for DD's because not only do they now have to focus on spotting for other ships on top of capturing key locations they now have to focus on hunting submarines down as well which 90% of them don't even bother doing. I had 2 matches on my kremlin, one where an enemy submarine did more than 90k damage to me with only 4 torp hits while my damage con was on cooldown from 3 fires from a Hindenburg, the fact that they can do that much damage while remaining completely hidden is absolutely absurd, the second match I was continuously hounded by a submarine while our DD's were focused on capturing locations and even asking for help had no effect the team simply did not care about the sub so it was my problem to deal with and I ended up dying without being able to contribute much to the team by an enemy I cannot detect. I spent quite a lot to get the Warhammer ship the Ragnarok since I am a huge Warhammer fan which I sorely regret now the combat mission won't be utilized simply because I refuse to play with submarines anymore I play mostly random battles because I do not consider myself a good enough player to play ranked and most players in random battles do not care about team strategy which 90% causes a lot of losses as a lone wolf is going to care only about himself and no one else. I really enjoy this game when I do not see submarines in my matches but absolutely despise the game when I do encounter them both on the enemy and in my team. So yeah I will be taking a break until they are removed I guess I will go have a look at war thunder after all. and this is overreacting ,there are not that much subs in the game right now and when there is if you are in a bb there is not that big of a chance that he will target exactlu you 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PEZ] Yedwy Players 11,301 posts 39,586 battles Report post #17 Posted November 9, 2021 12 minutes ago, Itwastuesday said: No, because depth charges don't do the full listed damage much like HE shells and submarines don't even have a citadel. Shhh dont burst their bubble 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HAKUY] Yosha_AtaIante Players 8,032 posts 19,168 battles Report post #18 Posted November 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Yedwy said: Shhh dont burst their bubble who needs a burst bubble when people like you charge right into subs with their DDs while the subs team just kills them? 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RDNT] ZeuSueZ1337 Players 434 posts Report post #19 Posted November 9, 2021 8 hours ago, NeonViolet said: "(...)Indefinite break from world of warships until submarines have been completely removed(...)" Buddy are you living under a rock? It should be clear beyond all doubt at this time, that subs are here to stay according to WG. A cry baby "buhu subs must be removed"-post from a 800-something battle (re-rolled?) player aren't gonna change their mind one bit. Yes subs are a different class both to steer and oppose and in the right(wrong) circumstances even op. But not for the majority of the engagements. Improvise, adapt, overcome! (....or uninstall) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RODS] Ronchabale Players 3,002 posts 10,002 battles Report post #20 Posted November 9, 2021 8 hours ago, NeonViolet said: So yeah I will be taking a break until they are removed I guess I will go have a look at war thunder after all. Myself I took a lengthy break after the CV rework and another after captain rework, mostly because i found the games extremely frustrating Don´t think they are ever going to remove subs, they put too much money into developing them already Have not played much subs, 1-2 random and 3-4 coop, insanely poor implementation and ludicrous gimmicks is not what I am after in this game Have been playing a bit more lately although I still have like 60% of my captains un-specced Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOATY] Shaka_D Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters, Weekend Tester 3,691 posts 15,960 battles Report post #21 Posted November 9, 2021 @NeonVioletA break sometimes does someone the world of good, especially when all you feel about the game is negativity enough to want to leave it. I wouldn't bank of subs being removed completely, so either make your peace with this and learn to play a new type of battle with them in the mix in some games, or find a game you enjoy. Maybe you'll visit again later and find it wasn't so bad after all. This is what I suspect will happen, resistance to change is a powerful force. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[0KILL] AkerJack Players 444 posts Report post #22 Posted November 9, 2021 I remember a guy that wrote the same thing about the Dead Eye skill...after few months they removed it and he came back...but I'm afraid that your brake is gonna be way longer....subs are part of the game now and we gotta deal with them. I don't like the as much as you ...but the implementation is not reversible now. The only thing I can tell you is fair seas and following winds! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] lovelacebeer Players 4,158 posts 25,226 battles Report post #23 Posted November 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Wulf_Ace said: 863 battles and you are leaving, I dont think WG will miss you. To be fair he is probably more interesting to WG than those of us with thousands of games under our belt. Due to the fact we are essentially a depleted resource, they have already got the majority of the money they are likely to get from us. Although that’s all in general terms anyway, WG expect a degree of churn as players come and go. Whether it’s you, me or him none of us matter to WG as individuals this is business after all. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R7S] Wulf_Ace Players 2,179 posts 12,310 battles Report post #24 Posted November 9, 2021 27 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said: To be fair he is probably more interesting to WG than those of us with thousands of games under our belt. Due to the fact we are essentially a depleted resource, they have already got the majority of the money they are likely to get from us. Although that’s all in general terms anyway, WG expect a degree of churn as players come and go. Whether it’s you, me or him none of us matter to WG as individuals this is business after all. yeah WG needs fresh meat to buy premium ships :D 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
totally_potato Players 2,533 posts Report post #25 Posted November 9, 2021 2 hours ago, bobtherterrible said: in 0.10.11? Do you think once they're introduced they'll up it to 1.0.0? I mean that's got to be a finished game by then rather than this eternal early release stuff.... the premium sub is entering test in 10.11 so they will be in their final of final stages, if not outright released Share this post Link to post Share on other sites