What to do in these situations?

[Barney_Wobba]

Lets say you are in a DD with not great conceal and you are facing a game with caps, that usually attract DD's...and those DD's are higher tier and have better conceal than you and everything else?

Is it just safer to not bother capping and try and find a way behind enemy lines or just be boring and try and spot all game? I find I just get trashed every time and my team seem to think I can just cap as if by magic.

[RenfieldSyndrome]

I think you can get more help by specifying what ship you are playing

[AndyHill]

Replays might also be useful.

[Prophecy82]

26 minutes ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Lets say you are in a DD with not great conceal and you are facing a game with caps, that usually attract DD's...and those DD's are higher tier and have better conceal than you and everything else?

Is it just safer to not bother capping and try and find a way behind enemy lines or just be boring and try and spot all game? I find I just get trashed every time and my team seem to think I can just cap as if by magic.

Kill first, cap later. 

Works perfectly fine on FR/RU and the new GER-DDs. 

[Barney_Wobba]

Ok, so when a team tries to pressure me into capping in a ship I know from experience is not suited to that job....I can happily say GTFO.

I mean ships like FR line.

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

1 minute ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Ok, so when a team tries to pressure me into capping in a ship I know from experience is not suited to that job....I can happily say GTFO.

No... don't be such an impolite donkey's empty space.

Just start the battle in your DD by deactivating the chat, so you are not bothered by the useless chit-chat that goes in it and concentrate on your mission: survive long enough to decide the battle... best when deciding it in favour of your winrate.

[ColonelPete]

• do not go where your team cannot support you
• when the cap circle is bigger than your concealment, you can try to cap
• or just wait for the enemy DD to enter the cap and rush him, if the situation allows it
• or focus on damaging the rest of the enemy ships and come to the cap later

It is important that you spot enemy ships and stay near your teammates, as you get sunk easily when you go off alone.

[Barney_Wobba]

12 minutes ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

No... don't be such an impolite donkey's empty space.

Just start the battle in your DD by deactivating the chat, so you are not bothered by the useless chit-chat that goes in it and concentrate on your mission: survive long enough to decide the battle... best when deciding it in favour of your winrate.

How am I being impolite? GTFO is just an abbreviation, make of it what you will. I don't even know what it stands for.

And looking at the first two responses here, are they also not polite? I am asking for advice not a lesson in manners or examples of how to troll people.

Your second sentence is all you needed to say. Ok...I won't take offence.

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Ok, so when a team tries to pressure me into capping in a ship I know from experience is not suited to that job....I can happily say GTFO.

Lots of DD captains are either potatoes who won't touch the cap, or people who try to be sneaky and go around it, or afk.

If that's the case, you can get basically a free cap, especially if there's no CV or there is one but she's busy elsewhere.

Free caps are always nice, but the DD that doesn't contest might be up to something that turns out to be better in the long run.

 

Contesting the cap is better than nothing, but not if you do that forever, without contributing anything else to your team: at best, it's a tie with the enemy DD, but you want to be more productive than a tie.

Also, don't contest while staying behind an island/iceberg: go in the open and spot, even if it means getting outspotted, or radared, and having to run away.

 

If you can bait a smoke from the enemy DD, you might want to torp the smoke and stay in the cap long enough to make sure he doesn't simply cap and leave before the torps have had a chance to reach him.

Finally, lots of DD captains are selfish: they only care for the cap until they've finished capturing it, which gives good xp, but they won't stay in there to defend it.

Therefore, you might ignore the cap at first, letting the other DD get it, then slip in as he slips out and cap it yourself: he might never come back, as he thinks he's done his job already.

 

Just a few thoughts...

 

EDIT: going "behind enemy lines" is hardly ever a good idea, unless you're positive you can take care of yourself.

That means having strong AA if there's a CV in the game, or at least some smokes to hide in, as well as being able to outgun the enemy DDs, depending on your health and theirs.

If your "DD with not great conceal" is, say, a Blyskawica, you want to start gunboating as early as it is safe and productive to do so. In that case "contesting the cap" might mean to farm the ships that are supporting the enemy DD, even if you can't spot him. Eventually, that should help winning the cap.

[SodaBubbles]

Always contest caps. This does not mean capping, necessarily. But you should set out blind torps whenever you cap. They will always arrive before they expected. Entering and then leaving moments later can get ships to pop radar. Then you can return and cap it out if possible. 

[Camperdown]

I don't play DDs with high detect much for this reason. 

But if you do: do contest caps even if you don't enter them (eg stay a bit further out) and do spot for your team.

[arttuperkunas]

Use islands to control vision, and do what @ColonelPete suggested. Compare your concealment circle to the cap circle; contest if it’s smaller. If you push a low conceal, low gunpower boat in a cap, yoy may force them to pop smoke and/or run away. Ironically, understanding of vision mechanics is even more crucial to mediocre concealment dds than ninja dds.

[lameoll]

9 hours ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Ok, so when a team tries to pressure me into capping in a ship I know from experience is not suited to that job....I can happily say GTFO

never listen to your teammates most dont even have a basic understanding of the game.

That said there comes a time where caps Might be needed But at the start when points are not a treat yet just go do your gunboat thing.

[Yedwy]

54 minutes ago, lameoll said:

never listen to your teammates most dont even have a basic understanding of the game.

That said there comes a time where caps Might be needed But at the start when points are not a treat yet just go do your gunboat thing.

This…

 

@OP IMHO just ignore the chat, if one could turn of the pinging and other re*tard “messages” as well it would be best to turn it off completely but as it stands (still having to blacklist them manually) its just a way to go through your chat abuse reports quickly esp as a dd

[Camperdown]

52 minutes ago, lameoll said:

never listen to your teammates most dont even have a basic understanding of the game.

That said there comes a time where caps Might be needed But at the start when points are not a treat yet just go do your gunboat thing.

Teams that ignore caps at start often lose, unless red team is collection of potatoes. 

Very often when teammates say in chat: don't worry about the caps, we lose on points.

So ignore caps at your peril. Unless ofc you just want to farm damage and  the win.

[Yedwy]

1 minute ago, Camperdown said:

Teams that ignore caps at start often lose, unless red team is collection of potatoes. 

Very often when teammates say in chat: don't worry about the caps, we lose on points.

So ignore caps at your peril. Unless ofc you just want to farm damage and  the win.

Dude you know what also loses you the game? That’s right all your DDs being dead 3 min in…

[Camperdown]

1 minute ago, Yedwy said:

Dude you know what also loses you the game? That’s right all your DDs being dead 3 min in…

Nice strawman! 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

12 hours ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Lets say you are in a DD with not great conceal and you are facing a game with caps, that usually attract DD's...and those DD's are higher tier and have better conceal than you and everything else?

Is it just safer to not bother capping and try and find a way behind enemy lines or just be boring and try and spot all game? I find I just get trashed every time and my team seem to think I can just cap as if by magic.

Hard to say with such little information, is it a special DD you are thinking about?

 

I would say this, most times you will be playing a ship that is weaker than some of the competition, it's rare to have the most OP ship in the match. But just like radars and CVs you need to learn to work around it.

 

First off, never push into a cap at start, that is guaranteed suicide, all radar cruisers, CVs and DDs will focus the caps the first 2-3 min of the game and no game gets decided on which team gets a cap the first 2-3 min. So if you face higher tier DDs with better conceal, they will probably push into the cap at start because they feel cocky, so you don't. Stay outside cap and spot for your team and throw torps into cap, if you lucky you kill the enemy DD. Then after a couple of min most ships has been spotted on the mini map and you know what you face (radars /DDs) in you cap/flank.

 

Most DDs and radars get tired of sitting by a cap after the 4-5 min mark because they want to farm damage and get kills and then you can usually push in and snag the cap from safety. And after that you can usually work around your flank and get useful by torping spotting and capping even if you are the underdog.

 

For more tips check out my DD Main Youtube channel below. 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

On 11/5/2021 at 11:43 PM, Barney_Wobba said:

How am I being impolite? GTFO is just an abbreviation, make of it what you will. I don't even know what it stands for.

I think Your mommy should have taught you to not use words that You don't know the meaning of.

Maybe you would learn what GTFO means, when you would use it, in an english speaking country and/or to an english speaking person, in person when talking with someone else. At best towards an person of authority, like your boss, teacher, professor, a policeperson or somthing like that... I'm quite sure the meaning will be explained to you.

Of course I and many others here on the forum could explain it to you, too, but that wouldn't be so funny. ^v^

 

On 11/6/2021 at 9:41 AM, Camperdown said:

Teams that ignore caps at start often lose, unless red team is collection of potatoes.

Fun fact:

• Cruisers can cap, too
• BaBBies can cap, too
• and, contrary to public opinion, even CVs can cap, too
• not sure of subs can... not that they would be physically unable, but it is probably a foreign concept for the average sub pilot to do something useful instead of going "Ping, ping, ping, ping..."

In the current meta in some cases it might even be more helpful than complaining about non-capping DDs to move that sorry behind of the complainer's naval vessel into the cap themselves, to see what happens when they do so...

 

Edit: had missed to have that don't above...

[Takethatyoubeast]

19 hours ago, Barney_Wobba said:

Ok, so when a team tries to pressure me into capping in a ship I know from experience is not suited to that job....I can happily say GTFO.

I mean ships like FR line.

 

I was in a Tashkent yesterday and was told by a Jean Bart B that I should cap against a Shimakaze which outspots me by at least 1.5 km and has 5 very angry mates with guns in tow

 

After the JB ranted in chat I reminded him that I was outspotted but apparently I could still cap 

 

I didn’t try and waited until our Buffalo turned up and then shot the Shima to the middle of next week when he was radared

 

It is more important as a DD to stay alive - you can always flip a cap 

[tocqueville8]

11 minutes ago, Takethatyoubeast said:

I was in a Tashkent yesterday and was told by a Jean Bart B that I should cap against a Shimakaze which outspots me by at least 1.5 km and has 5 very angry mates with guns in tow

Smoke-Tashkent or heal-Tashkent?

[SilentEnimLegesInterArma]

4 minutes ago, Takethatyoubeast said:

I was in a Tashkent yesterday and was told by a Jean Bart B that I should cap against a Shimakaze which outspots me by at least 1.5 km and has 5 very angry mates with guns in tow

 

After the JB ranted in chat I reminded him that I was outspotted but apparently I could still cap 

 

I didn’t try and waited until our Buffalo turned up and then shot the Shima to the middle of next week when he was radared

 

It is more important as a DD to stay alive - you can always flip a cap 

as a BB main this actually annoys the crap out of me. all that BB yelling and not knowing the dds parameters... and mostly those  premium bbs are turned into potatosalad pretty quick too.... or are useless behind islands not being able to shoot at 90% of the enemy and miss the rest...

 

getting yelled at in my Östergötland to smoke always makes me chuckle...

also not knowing that the russian/french/heavy german dd lines are spottet from the moon.... (Zao is 9.9... some "DDs" are 13... ) same as firestarters know that a yama is down in 3 minutes from fire, BBs should at least know the base stats of those they yell at - or install a damn mod that tells you before you embarrass yourself by annoying your teammate dd.

 

also:

Play your game - try your best and try to learn. If a teammate tries to actually help you - he won't be yelling (flamuu might though...)

[Takethatyoubeast]

27 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Smoke-Tashkent or heal-Tashkent?

Heal and I also passed that info on

[Takethatyoubeast]

28 minutes ago, GuiltyByAssociation said:

as a BB main this actually annoys the crap out of me. all that BB yelling and not knowing the dds parameters... and mostly those  premium bbs are turned into potatosalad pretty quick too.... or are useless behind islands not being able to shoot at 90% of the enemy and miss the rest...

 

getting yelled at in my Östergötland to smoke always makes me chuckle...

also not knowing that the russian/french/heavy german dd lines are spottet from the moon.... (Zao is 9.9... some "DDs" are 13... ) same as firestarters know that a yama is down in 3 minutes from fire, BBs should at least know the base stats of those they yell at - or install a damn mod that tells you before you embarrass yourself by annoying your teammate dd.

 

also:

Play your game - try your best and try to learn. If a teammate tries to actually help you - he won't be yelling (flamuu might though...)

Being asked to smoke in a non smoke DD line is my favourite part of the day - it also confuses the heck out of them when you pop smoke in a Aigle or Blyskawica 🤣

[Pandafaust]

29 minutes ago, GuiltyByAssociation said:

russian/french/heavy german dd lines are spottet from the moon.... (Zao is 9.9... some "DDs" are 13... )

I've seen a fair few chunky DDs, but hadn't noticed any with 13km concealment, which ships are they?