How many premium subs do you expect to see in the next year?

[anonym_ntfKigmJ0k9e]

I think there will be at least 100 premium subs. With price between 35 - 200 EUR each. It's a whole new market for Wargaming. 

Congrats. And I heard they will introduce gold torpedoes that even don't require ping.  1 gold torpedo 9,99 EUR.

[principat121]

I predict a whole line of premium Subs for the glorious navy of the Soviet motherland! 

[johncl]

I don't care cos im not buying them ..Or grinding them ...

[Saipan_2501]

None I hope........ Broke the game enough with the ones they forced into it now. 

[Gnirf]

Easy - just too many...

[lovelacebeer]

In short - a lot.

 

Although I’m guessing at least 2 German, 2 Russian, 1 Japanese and probably one other in the first year.

[Camperdown]

35 minutes ago, Gnirf said:

Easy - just too many...

We have a winner: this is the correct answer 

[Chaos_Umbra]

Had to look this up as the first announcement of Subs was 2 years ago, doesn't feel like it due to Covid this was when they announced the 2 'current' lines of subs for the USN and Germany (However there was a line of Soviet subs also Data mined). With this announcement there was already a load of Premium subs shown as I managed to find images for:

 

 

As you can see 1 for USN, Germany, USSR and IJN.

[1MajorKoenig]

K-123 Hot Rod 🔥 

[Hopeless_Guppy]

No doubt if there is a British line, or even a premium, it will be nerfed to do no damage whatsoever with the slowest torp, shortest battery life etc.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4

[tocqueville8]

Subs are probably the type that requires the fewest paper ships.

I'm not an expert, but I imagine they could come up with a decent line for the British, Italians, French and maybe even Soviets, never mind the Japanese.

They might even come up with sub-branches and split lines...

 

If they were balanced to play and to play against, I'd have no problem with any of this.

 

I would expect 4-5 lines (including USN and KM) and maybe 8 premiums before the end of 2022.

[Verblonde]

45 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

If they were balanced to play and to play against, I'd have no problem with any of this.

Right there is the issue, and I agree with you - the problem, of course, is that at the moment they should be nowhere near 'proper' game modes.

[Capra76]

24 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Subs are probably the type that requires the fewest paper ships.

 

All the key stats for subs are a fiction anyway, having a different ping velocity for different subs literally defies the laws of physics, "dive time" is completely arbitary, as is concealment and speed, likewise the torpedo paramaters are plucked out of thin air, there is almost nothing in them that has any connection to reality whatsoever.

 

Thus almost any sub could be balanced at any tier without making them any more ridiculous than they already are - RN Holland Class (1903) submarines at T10 moving at 35 knots launching 100 knot MK 48 ADCAPs every 20 seconds for 35,000 damage each, it's no more crazy than anything else WG have come up with.

[MadBadDave]

8 hours ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

I think there will be at least 100 premium subs. With price between 35 - 200 EUR each. It's a whole new market for Wargaming. 

Congrats. And I heard they will introduce gold torpedoes that even don't require ping.  1 gold torpedo 9,99 EUR.

Don’t know it opens a potentially big earner for WG, which in fairness is what WG deserve,  because of the sheer huge amount of work they’ve put into it; bote modelling, under water mapping etc,etc, I hate subs and I know most hate them more than cvs, there is room within the game  for subs but not in randoms, maybe one day WG will have separate  cv and sub modes (like attack pearl or sink/protect the Atlantic convoy) .  Whatever they do there’s no doubt every main game navy will have tech tree subs and at least 3 premiums, my guess within a year we’ll have at least 50 subs in the game.

 

One of the things about WG /Subs which does annoy me ; did the RN not take part in submarine operations during the war ??😉.

[SodaBubbles]

6-8 this year I'd say, at least. They are super easy to model. Griefers rejoice!

 

It's frightening to think of what gimmicks they might get.  Griefers don't like taking risks, so I imagine the theme of those gimmicks will be risk mitigation -- extended battery life, better homing, etc.

 

 

[MementoMori_6030]

0 (if WG don't conjure some into T5 or lower).

[invicta2012]

10 hours ago, Chaos_Umbra said:

Had to look this up as the first announcement of Subs was 2 years ago, doesn't feel like it due to Covid this was when they announced the 2 'current' lines of subs for the USN and Germany (However there was a line of Soviet subs also Data mined). With this announcement there was already a load of Premium subs shown as I managed to find images for:

They're just submarines, though. They're all HMS Floaty McPing Face, nothing distinctive about them. What will WG do to make them worthy of people's cash? 

[PaP_Mentoles]

Well... As many as they will present, but they can shove them where the sun doesn't shine.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 40 Minuten, invicta2012 sagte:

What will WG do to make them worthy of people's cash? 

Gimmicks, as usual. Radar, DefAA, Air Strikes... and plane squadrons. Oh, and 18" guns are a must have.

[togMOR]

Vor 10 Minuten, MementoMori_6030 sagte:

Gimmicks, as usual. Radar, DefAA, Air Strikes... and plane squadrons. Oh, and 18" guns are a must have.

Not quite but as close as it can be ... the french Surcouf and the british M-1 ... ;)

[Itwastuesday]

59 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

They're just submarines, though. They're all HMS Floaty McPing Face, nothing distinctive about them. What will WG do to make them worthy of people's cash? 

pings that can't be removed with DCP

[Yedwy]

13 hours ago, SEA_TRAKTOR said:

I think there will be at least 100 premium subs. With price between 35 - 200 EUR each. It's a whole new market for Wargaming. 

Congrats. And I heard they will introduce gold torpedoes that even don't require ping.  1 gold torpedo 9,99 EUR.

Lets be realistic here...

 

We will have them officially released as a class either late this year or early next year, now we will likely have a big early access event with US and KM subs that will last at least 3 patches so there will be at least 2 premiums per nation involved, I reckon they will start with T6 and T8 ones, they might bring back one of the T8 ops in the process so they can honey coat it a bit...

 

Assuming they intend to first release the pan-asian CLs we will likely see the sub event run either January patch onwards or February patch onwards up until April or so, after that we can expect one or two boats per month and probably one more sub line until the end of the year (Russian) as they are running out of lines to do + one dockyard boat maybe T10 even around the next christmas...

 

So i Reckon 3x3 tech line subs + 2 premiums with the initial early access + 1 dockyard + anywhere between 6 and 12 regular premium boats in tiers 6 and 8

[WWDragon]

10 hours ago, Capra76 said:

 likewise the torpedo paramaters are plucked out of thin air, there is almost nothing in them that has any connection to reality whatsoever.

 

You really wanna go down that route? OK.

 

53.3 cm (21") G7a T1 - surface ships and submarines

Explosive Charge - 617 lbs. (280 kg) Hexanite (note: conflict in references numbers vary from 617 lbs. (280 kg) to  948 lbs. (430 kg) )

Range / Speed - 6,560 yards (6,000 m) at 44 knots/ 8,750 yards (8,000 m) at 40 knots/ 15,300 yards (14,000 m) at 30 knots

 

53.3 cm (21") G7e T2 and T3 - Schnellbootes and submarines

Explosive Charge - 617 lbs. (280 kg) Hexanite (note: conflict in references numbers vary from 617 lbs. (280 kg) to  948 lbs. (430 kg) as above)

Range / Speed - Early War: 5,470 yards (5,000 m) at 30 knots/ Late War: 8,200 yards (7,500 m) / 30 knots

 

Homing Torpedoes 53.3 cm (21") G7e T4, T5, T10 and T11

Explosive Charge - 440 lbs. (200 kg) Hexanite

Range / Speed - see table bellow

 

T4: 8,200 yards (7,500 m) at 20 knots
T5: 6,230 yards (5,700 m) at 24-25 knots
T5a and T5b: 8,750 yards (8,000 m) at 22 knots
T10: 5,470 yards (5,000 m) at 30 knots
T11: 6,230 yards (5,700 m) at 24-25 knots

 

Now lets see ingame ...

 

Z-52 G7 Steinwall

Damage - 14400

Speed/Range - 10.5km at 66 knots

 

U-2501 G7e/T4

Damage - 8633

Speed/Range - 14km at 82 knots

 

I skipped airdropped torpedoes but for the record the 45 cm (17.7") F5 was 441 lbs. (200 kg) Hexanite at 33 knots with 2km range and the 45 cm (17.7") F5b was 397/551 lbs. (180/250 kg) Hexanite at 24/40 knots with 6/2km range.

 

So ingame all torpedoes are much faster with U-2501 being ... odd considering the difference of explosive charge is about at worst over less that half that the G7 T1-3 and being 1/3 slower but then again, its not as if the G7e T4 werent acoustic homing without that silly ping mechanic.

 

When this is brought up, I have to remind that all torpedoes in the game have very improved speed and complaining about the realism of their stats is moot unless you rather that destroyers can only drop torpedoes once and they have their historical speeds but we know what the response to that is going to be about so dont bother, we cannot have one class getting all the passes because "they have to be playable" and turn around and demand historical values of other classes since that is hypocrisy, as much I dont like subs I fully understand stats have to be modified so they can be playable just all classes have modified stats from their real counterparts.

 

 

 

[Capra76]

14 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

You really wanna go down that route? OK.

 

I've no idea what point you're trying to make.