Isn't there supposed to be a maximum number of games as a lower tiered ship before the Matchmaker has to make you top tier? - I aint feeling the "lurve" at the moment.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

I did not keep accurate stats for my Friday games, but being top tier was "infrequent" to say the least. I even mentioned it in chat to my Clan Leader.

 

On Saturday, I just played 8 games after which I quit in frustration. There were around 22,000 players still active on the EU server at the time.

 

There were 5 games where I was bottom tier (including one where it was just little old me with lots of big boys).

There were 3 games where I was middle tier.

 

I didn't hang around for a game #9 - I was a bit fed up by this time. I expect to be top tier my fair share of the time and IMHO this aint' it.

 

Isn't there supposed to be some rules to make sure that this sort of bad run does not happen.

 

Is this WG payback for all the horrible (but mostly true) things that I say about them?

Maybe I need to send off for this.

 

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

7 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

I did not keep accurate stats for my Friday games, but being top tier was "infrequent" to say the least. I even mentioned it in chat to my Clan Leader.

 

On Saturday, I just played 8 games after which I quit in frustration. There were around 22,000 players still active on the EU server at the time.

 

There were 5 games where I was bottom tier (including one where it was just little old me with lots of big boys).

There were 3 games where I was middle tier.

 

I didn't hang around for a game #9 - I was a bit fed up by this time. I expect to be top tier my fair share of the time and IMHO this aint' it.

 

Isn't there supposed to be some rules to make sure that this sort of bad run does not happen.

 

Is this WG payback for all the horrible (but mostly true) things that I say about them?

Maybe I need to send off for this.

 

 

 

By the pointy looks of it, seems to be Made in Russia.

[tocqueville8]

Pretty much the reason I don't play much T6-7 anymore, except for some regrinds, despite having a bunch of premiums/freemiums there.

 

It's bad enough when you get unsalvageable teams at T9-10, but if you're bottom tier you feel even more powerless 

[ColonelPete]

43 minutes ago, Admiral_H_Nelson said:

There were 5 games where I was bottom tier (including one where it was just little old me with lots of big boys).

Do you have a screenshot for the battle where you were the only low Tier? That should not happen.

 

And no, there is no rule for being top Tier. There are only rules that limit being -2 Tier.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

Just now, ColonelPete said:

Do you have a screenshot for the battle where you were the only low Tier? That should not happen.

 

And no, there is no rule for being top Tier. There are only rules that limit being -2 Tier.

 

Are these limits account or individual ship based?

[Aragathor]

If you have played T6 or T7 then chances are very high you'll get uptiered to either T8 or T9. WG screwed up the MM to make those tiers even worse than the old T5.

In theory there is a 20 battle counter that should start putting you as top tier, but in practice it's a roll of the die.

 

Spoiler

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/article/26274/

 

[ColonelPete]

25 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Are these limits account or individual ship based?

Tier based.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

2 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Tier based.

 

But, it's somehow not working then?

[ColonelPete]

1 minute ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

But, it's somehow not working then?

It is. As I said, there are no rules for being top Tier.

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, ColonelPete said:

It is. As I said, there are no rules for being top Tier.

 

I see.. so it works as well as snake oil.

[ColonelPete]

Just now, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

I see.. so it works as well as snake oil.

No. Snake oil does not do what the seller claims. The MM limit rules do exactly what they are supposed to do.

Players just forget or misunderstand what the system does.

 

In 100 battles in Tier VIII ships, the system makes sure that you do not get more than 40 Tier X battles. It does not give you any guarantee to face Tier VI ships. The remaining 60 battles could all be Tier IX battles or Tier VIII-only battles.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

42 minutes ago, ColonelPete said:

Do you have a screenshot for the battle where you were the only low Tier? That should not happen.

 

And no, there is no rule for being top Tier. There are only rules that limit being -2 Tier.

Sorry Colonel - I rage quit TBH. I was throughly fed up at that point, including being sunk by a submarine in one game (not saying that flippantly. IT WAS REALLY ANNOYING)

Thanks for the clarification about the rules!

[Aethervoxx]

1 hour ago, ColonelPete said:

Do you have a screenshot for the battle where you were the only low Tier?

You mean to say, Colonel Pete, you've never seen a failtard division where one player is say T4 & the other T5 and then said Division gets placed into a T5 - T7 battle?

Hasn't everyone seen that sort of fail division who has any appreciable number of battles (as you do having16K+ battles)?

[ColonelPete]

6 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

You mean to say, Colonel Pete, you've never seen a failtard division where one player is say T4 & the other T5 and then said Division gets placed into a T5 - T7 battle?

Hasn't everyone seen that sort of fail division who has any appreciable number of battles (as you do having16K+ battles)?

But that is their own fault.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

UPDATE - tried later on Saturday evening.

 

Game#1, Missouri, 4 tier 10 ships, rest of us tier 9. Top scorer was a 63% Randoms player

Game#2, Missouri,  TOP TIER AT LAST! , decent results = 2nd place

Game#3, Monaghan, one of two tier 6 ships, Rest mostly tier 8

Game#4, Sims, All tier 7 battle, Top Score.
 

At this point I made my excuses and left.

[Yedwy]

Just play gunboat DDs and you ll be fine, most of them dont really care about the +2 that much, you just get more XP for the dakka... 

[Fat_Maniac]

10 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

Do you have a screenshot for the battle where you were the only low Tier? That should not happen.

 

And no, there is no rule for being top Tier. There are only rules that limit being -2 Tier.

Can happen if enemy has a fail div.

 

[Aethervoxx]

11 hours ago, ColonelPete said:

But that is their own fault.

Isn't it more the fault of WG MM for placing that failtard T4/T5  division into a T5 - T7 battle?

That's such an easy coding fix - just don't allow that kind of  +1/-1 division which would circumvent a regular +2/-2 random battle queue.

 Seems to me, this is entirely on Wedgie 'we don't care about the player game experience' coding practices.

[Aethervoxx]

12 hours ago, Aragathor said:

If you have played T6 or T7 then chances are very high you'll get uptiered to either T8 or T9. WG screwed up the MM to make those tiers even worse than the old T5.

 

Isn't this because  Wedgie wants to give all the players a 'wedgie'  & have everyone playing T8 - T10?

[arttuperkunas]

30 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Isn't this because  Wedgie wants to give all the players a 'wedgie'  & have everyone playing T8 - T10?

Whenever I play T8 I land in T10 matches. T9-10 are disproportionately popular.

[Aragathor]

52 minutes ago, Aethervoxx said:

Isn't this because  Wedgie wants to give all the players a 'wedgie'  & have everyone playing T8 - T10?

Yes, it's another of "brilliant" WG design decisions that leaves other people scratching their heads.

This invalidates sales of all premium ships T7-, as they get bad MM from the start and are underpowered when uptiered.

 

When asked about it Community Mismanagement claims you get better XP and credits when fighting higher tier ship. But they conveniently forget that you first have to deal damage to higher tier ships, something which many mid-tier ships are unable to do at all. Just look at how IFHE was nerfed extra hard for mid-tier cruisers compared to high tier. Or how mid-tier DDs concealment is handicapped due to lack of concealment module.

 

There is large power step between T7 and T8, and WG wants mid-tier ships to be bad.

[ColonelPete]

1 hour ago, Aethervoxx said:

Isn't it more the fault of WG MM for placing that failtard T4/T5  division into a T5 - T7 battle?

That's such an easy coding fix - just don't allow that kind of  +1/-1 division which would circumvent a regular +2/-2 random battle queue.

 Seems to me, this is entirely on Wedgie 'we don't care about the player game experience' coding practices.

No. It is an option for players. It is their choice.

[triumphgt6]

5 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Yes, it's another of "brilliant" WG design decisions that leaves other people scratching their heads.

This invalidates sales of all premium ships T7-, as they get bad MM from the start and are underpowered when uptiered.

 

When asked about it Community Mismanagement claims you get better XP and credits when fighting higher tier ship. But they conveniently forget that you first have to deal damage to higher tier ships, something which many mid-tier ships are unable to do at all. Just look at how IFHE was nerfed extra hard for mid-tier cruisers compared to high tier. Or how mid-tier DDs concealment is handicapped due to lack of concealment module.

 

There is large power step between T7 and T8, and WG wants mid-tier ships to be bad.

Luckily for me, the Fiji is one ship that up tiers quite nicely and the Belfast is in the wrong tier to start with. 

[Kr1gsG4ldr]

 

20 ore fa, Aragathor ha scritto:

If you have played T6 or T7 then chances are very high you'll get uptiered to either T8 or T9. WG screwed up the MM to make those tiers even worse than the old T5.

In theory there is a 20 battle counter that should start putting you as top tier, but in practice it's a roll of the die.

 

  Rivela contenuti nascosti

https://eu.wargaming.net/support/en/products/wows/article/26274/

 

Don't know your opinions guys, but honestly, i can fully enjoy t6 and t7 ships only in scenario mode for all the said reasons.

Doesnt mean that sometimes we don't take some spins in random with these tiers but it's pretty rare.

[Chocan]

7 hours ago, Aethervoxx said:

Isn't it more the fault of WG MM for placing that failtard T4/T5  division into a T5 - T7 battle?

That's such an easy coding fix - just don't allow that kind of  +1/-1 division which would circumvent a regular +2/-2 random battle queue.

 Seems to me, this is entirely on Wedgie 'we don't care about the player game experience' coding practices.

It is so by design that the highest tier is taken into consideration for div purpose so players can't game the MM as you could use this otherwise to guarantee that a T5/T6 div doesn't encounter T8.