Plymouth or Ragnar?

[Camperdown]

I have some steel itching in my wallet. I am contemplating either Plymouth or Ragnar. I am a DD main but also like cap contester/support role in CL. Ragnar lack of smoke and high detect range don't recommend to me. Plymouth Swiss army knife.

 

Any advice?

[SuperDare83]

nothing until subs get removed from randoms

[geschlittert]

Ragnar

[arttuperkunas]

I am also super interested in the Ragnar... Probably have to wait for my resource coupon though.

[Verblonde]

16 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Any advice?

I have Ragnar, but I haven't played her very much yet, so this is all a bit tentative; also, I'm not very good, so the mileage for someone competent may well vary:

• The detection distance is poor, but it does match your radar range, so if someone detects you, you can instantly light them up (assuming you aren't on cool-down). Of course, if they just graze your detection distance, it's easy to waste a radar charge on a (now) fleeing target.
• Guns are absurdly accurate and quite hefty, but - of course - you have no torps. You also only have two turrets, so it's quite common to lose 50% of your firepower temporarily.
• Forward-firing DCs (for sub-surface pest control), but you only have one launcher, if I remember correctly.

Overall, if you have Smaland you don't need Ragnar (unsurprisingly - Smaland was removed for a reason!). In general, I'd file Ragnar in the same category as things like Friesland and Druid i.e. fun and nice to have, but not essential; they're also not easy mode, so they're the sort of thing you play when you want a bit of a challenge perhaps...

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I got the Plymouth right before I stopped playing. The 4 matches I had in it were loads of fun. Smoke, 55 sec radar, hydro, 16 guns, what's not to like? It's a swiss army knife, a one man army, all that jazz. A big plus: it's unfamiliar to most, so DD's and even cruisers get caught in it's radar like bunnies in headlights ^^

 

As with everything, only if you light cruisers are a thing for you. I hear ragnar can be fun as well. It's on my todo list, will get it eventually perhaps, but I hardly play these days. Against subs? No idea.

 

EDIT: I like it a lot because you can really help your team out in so many different situations, it's a great ship to assist divisions in. There's almost always a right tool for the job.

[Aragathor]

I don't have the Ragnar, but I do have the Plymouth. The Plymouth camo is butt ugly.

It's a big Fiji/Belfast hybrid at T10. All maxed out you can have a 52s radar at 10km, that's ~9 salvos on any hapless DD caught in the net. You have a 9.1km concealment, so it's a stealth radar too.

 

It's a Swiss army knife, you can do well in it or you can get ganked early if you misplay.

 

My advice? Play Fiji a bit, if you like it, buy the Plymouth.

[tocqueville8]

Every Ragnar I've come across so far has been a pain in the butt to deal with.

The guns are powerful and accurate, and I understand she's got some extra armor plating...

 

The Plymouth can wreck half a team, with some spotting, as long as she's not directly pushed. She's an excellent ship if things are stationary around a cap, but she's weak in the open and can't kite for c**p (slow, terrible turret angles, no HE).

She's all about positioning and consumable usage, and a very good ship in a division.

[Miscommunication_dept]

I have neither but Ragnar alerts feels like a threat. Even in a cruiser a Ragnar at range is hard to deal with, it pens you all over and with it’s arcs and accuracy it can really beat you up.

 

When in a destroyer, it’s large amount of 25mm plating makes life difficult. I thought I could kill one at range in my Kleber, nope. It’s radar matching detection makes it a threat even when you are just trying to spot it.

 

In a battleship, it lights you up better that any other DD at long ranges.

 

It is a nuisance and hard to deal with.

 

A Plymouth Just doesn’t worry me on the enemy team.

[totally_potato]

6 hours ago, Camperdown said:

I have some steel itching in my wallet. I am contemplating either Plymouth or Ragnar. I am a DD main but also like cap contester/support role in CL. Ragnar lack of smoke and high detect range don't recommend to me. Plymouth Swiss army knife.

 

Any advice?

Ragnar is kind of a bigger Smaland that's actually quite well balanced. Really good guns, Smaland toolkit and reinforced plating but no torps and high detection.

Its quite a good pick for steel

As for Plymouth, its this high alpha, utility cruiser. Its got all of the Minotaur's consumable choices but in separate slots (even radar), and, torps and 16 guns with decent RoF. 

I actually think that while its not the most unique ship, its nice to pick up for ranked battles, with occasional mercenaries, etc. Its really good around objectives, supporting friendly DDs, and I quite enjoy it

[Cyclops_]

Plymouth :-)

[Redcap375]

In a nut shell, both are worth it IMHO.

 

They both bring something different to the game table. The ragnar with its radar, crusier guns and tankness and the plymouth with its sheer versatility (its got everything). 

 

I got the ragnar first as I wanted a DD with radar. The smaland is a better DD, being honest, but that doesnt mean the ragnar isn't good. Far from it, it just highlights just how OP the Smaland is. 

 

But is it unfair to compare the two? One is a out and out DD hunter that spams BBs with a thousand cuts and the other is a semi DD/CL hunter that spams BB with biggger cuts. However, torps makes a big difference and concealment so yeah.

 

The ragnar is fantastic when working in a div but can slightly struggle when going solo as you simply don't have the DPM to dispatch other DD hunters quicky. Torp boats like the halland, shimmy and somers, or semi like the gearing and Z52 are fine but against daring, Kleber, Harra and such you will struggle..not because you will die to HIM/Her but because of their team throwing AP at you which hurt as you have more armour to arm it. You need someone else to make use of your radar and relying on friendly randoms is like rolling chicken bones. So clan mates are recommended. 

 

But your HP and armour against other DDs makes sure that if you do get in trouble, your gonna get out in good order. Don't get me wrong, you Can have a one om one against other DDs and win (sometimes easy) but it's your DPM vs HP and it can turn into a slogging match.  If you catch them on their own then defo smash them but from distance where your better arcs serve you better than their floaty ones. 

 

If your not hunting DDs then your spamming cruisers and your very good at doing that. AP is very good as its 152mm so makes a mess of light crusiers with your rate of fire. You are a complete pain in the grass to anything as you don't die easy like a DD should, lol. 

 

So all in all its a well worth it steel ship. 

 

@Europizza is great in the plymouth so I'll leave that to him. 

 

So as to which one? I would say that all depends on which ship class you enjoy first and what your lacking in your port for gameplay variety. 

[Camperdown]

So I bought Plymouth.

Happy Camper 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Congrats! She's fun :D

[SeaWolf7]

  " mmmmm...plyyyyymouth..."

 

(Only 16k steel left to go)

[geschlittert]

On 10/20/2021 at 11:53 PM, Aragathor said:

. All maxed out you can have a 52s radar at 10km, that's ~9 salvos on any hapless DD caught in the net. You have a 9.1km concealment, so it's a stealth radar too.

Wrong, plymouth has only 9km radar and cant stealth radar.

About ragnar: its an absolutely broken boat

[OldPappy]

Plymouth is a hard ship to play. Very situational. The enemy targets you first. But if you get the right position amd the right spotting it’s deveststing to the enemy. 
It’s like Minos slower, clumsier big brother. Bit tankier than Mino - which does not say a lot!😂

 

Dont know about ragnar, but I imagine it’s similarly uneasy due to it’s high detection range?

[S_h_i_v_a]

 

 

I reduced my choice to Ragnar, Bourgogne, Stalingrad. Completely different gameplay everyone. 

[AkerJack]

If you have Smaland go for Plymouth.

[Camperdown]

46 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

 

 

I reduced my choice to Ragnar, Bourgogne, Stalingrad. Completely different gameplay everyone. 

Hmm. Lazy review, entitled playing style.

[S_h_i_v_a]

18 ore fa, Camperdown ha scritto:

Hmm. Lazy review, entitled playing style.

 

None of my prefered youtuber did a video about the Ply. 

Maybe because it's crap?

[Prophecy82]

On 10/20/2021 at 10:38 PM, Camperdown said:

I have some steel itching in my wallet. I am contemplating either Plymouth or Ragnar. I am a DD main but also like cap contester/support role in CL. Ragnar lack of smoke and high detect range don't recommend to me. Plymouth Swiss army knife.

 

Any advice?

You like Gunboats?

You can work with Heal-Tashkent/Kiew? 

 

Take Ragnar. I think its one of the best DDs released this year... actually the second best (the best one this year is Schultz imo, bcs I dont like playing T10)

Its quite competitive, too. Just NEVER EVER try to chase subs, you are just fcked vs them. 

 

Btw. with full concealment build, you get the same radar range as detect range.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

11 minutes ago, S_h_i_v_a said:

 

None of my prefered youtuber did a video about the Ply. 

Maybe because it's crap?

YouTubers usually dont mind posting videos about ships being crap as it is great clickbait. The ship cretainly isn't crap. I've played it a bit and if people can wrap their head around playing Edinburgh and enjoy having lots of toys they certainly will like Plymouth. I don't get the comparisons with Minotaur. For me these are different ships, much like Edin isn't a Fiji.

 

By the way, why get a Stalingrad when you can have Petro? And if you have Smalald, Ragnar isn't much added value Still enjoyable from what I hear.

[Procrastes]

16 minutes ago, Prophecy82 said:

Take Ragnar... Just NEVER EVER try to chase subs, you are just fcked vs them. 

Just curious: Why is Ragnar a poor choice for sub-hunting? 

 

[Prophecy82]

12 minutes ago, Procrastes said:

Just curious: Why is Ragnar a poor choice for sub-hunting? 

 

 

You have forward fireing Launchers, so if you want to make the most of it you need to slow down, especially when the sub is moving somewhat towards you. 

They are rather weak and the boat is a bit sluggish... the launchers fire about 1km in front your ship. 

 

This results in you becoming a rather sluggish and static target and this makes it very easy for the Sub to just point-blank you. 

Was devstruck twice this way. So now I always just run away when I see one.