Karma Problem..

[KHS01]

As you know, incompetent players seek responsibility for their failures in others. Yesterday they complained about CV, today submarines were added to it. Since I mainly play with CV, my karma is always 0 (ZERO) because of such players. Now I'm curious about submarines, but this time again, such players give -1 even at the beginning of the game to react to those who play with submarines. Moreover, they are not only from your team, but also from the other team. My crime is to follow and sink his ship. There needs to be a solution to this problem. For example, what if the karma of the top 3 players at the end of the war is not reduced?

[Synth_FG]

You play submarines,
That's what you get 

[DirtyHeddy]

Karma has been established exactly for this purpose: To give frustrated players a way to express their frustration.

It has no further consequences if You have a Karma of 0 or 10.000.

So just ignore it

[KHS01]

6 dakika önce, DirtyHeddy dedi:

Karma has been established exactly for this purpose: To give frustrated players a way to express their frustration.

It has no further consequences if You have a Karma of 0 or 10.000.

So just ignore it

That's the problem! There are many players who use it for other than its purpose. Did I put the sub or the CV in the game? My only crime is playing with them. That's why I always have to play on low karma teams. However, I have been playing this game since the Open Beta and I believe that I am a really experienced player. It makes me very sad and misses the fun to see the nonsense games of the players in my team. Even bots play smarter than some in CO-OP.

[Flosedus]

Ahaha actually, it shows that people hate you. Either for playing classes which ruin other peoples experience (CV / sub), playing stupid as [edited]or behaving like an [edited]. Sometimes people just vote you down because you dont follow their "orders" even when they are nonsense, but that is quite rare in my experience. On average you get more +1 than -1 when you play well and support the team properly.

 

As said before, the karma system is a vent and kind of a soft feedback mechanism (which I think works on most people... I hate it actually, when I get downvoted, in particular when it is justified).

 

So... if you would play less CV, you will make the world a better place and get probably positive karma as well :)

[_Paria_]

Vor 14 Minuten, Synth_FG sagte:

You play submarines,
That's what you get 

Exactly! Looks like you are an fine and good WOWS Player who cares about this game. By the way, I do the same for education reasons. Everyone using broken submarine mechanic to destroy our beloved game gets reported.

 

 

[Khaba_Gandalf]

Vor 4 Minuten, KHS01 sagte:

That's the problem! There are many players who use it for other than its purpose. Did I put the sub or the CV in the game? My only crime is playing with them. That's why I always have to play on low karma teams. 

Karma has no impact on mm... 

 

... if the opposite would be true, my teams would be full of not so salty unicums and polite above average players and my WR would skyrocket... which isn't the case. 

 

 

 

[KHS01]

Şimdi, Flosedus dedi:

Ahaha actually, it shows that people hate you. Either for playing classes which ruin other peoples experience (CV / sub), playing stupid as [edited]or behaving like an [edited]. Sometimes people just vote you down because you dont follow their "orders" even when they are nonsense, but that is quite rare in my experience. On average you get more +1 than -1 when you play well and support the team properly.

 

As said before, the karma system is a vent and kind of a soft feedback mechanism (which I think works on most people... I hate it actually, when I get downvoted, in particular when it is justified).

 

So... if you would play less CV, you will make the world a better place and get probably positive karma as well :)

But I like them!  Although the CV game is ruined. That's why I think the only solution is to either remove the thing called karma or keep the 3 most successful people from falling karma at the end of the war. Because I'm usually in the top 3 and getting a -1 on top of that is really, really uncomfortable. If that happens, the problem is over for people like me.

[lovelacebeer]

Just don't worry about Karma it doesn't matter how much you get its essentially worthless (save for the fact you get a few more reports/compliments once you get 100). I know the truly great CV mains get tons of positive karma due to their ability to help carry their teams but even then they get nothing from said karma. 

 

Karma may at one time have been designed with a purpose in mind, but these days WG just leave it as a vent for people in the hope it reduces the amount of rage in chat and the subsequent reports to support. 

[KHS01]

I think the [bansub] [kilsub] clans will also be released . That's a separate issue anyway. How does WG allow this? [bancv] [killcv] . This is clearly unfair and disrespectful to other players who enjoy these ships.

[Aethervoxx]

The real problem with karma is it is a flawed mechanic &, therefore, meaningless.

[Jvd2000]

Maybe there is a market for buying Karma immunity. Pay x amount of doubloons and have x games of report immunity. It also includes a return message for the one trying to report you like “ your report is ignored because player x pays us more money then you scrub”.  Would actually buy this for the extra created salt… 

 

then that player explodes in chat so you can safely counter report him because you can.. just for more salt…

 

 

[KHS01]

3 dakika önce, lovelacebeer dedi:

Just don't worry about Karma it doesn't matter how much you get its essentially worthless (save for the fact you get a few more reports/compliments once you get 100). I know the truly great CV mains get tons of positive karma due to their ability to help carry their teams but even then they get nothing from said karma. 

 

Karma may at one time have been designed with a purpose in mind, but these days WG just leave it as a vent for people in the hope it reduces the amount of rage in chat and the subsequent reports to support. 

Even though it's very rare, sometimes my karma is like 5 or more and it's like my teams are made up of better players then. Am i wrong?

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 25 Minuten, DirtyHeddy sagte:

Karma has been established exactly for this purpose: To give frustrated players a way to express their frustration.

It has no further consequences if You have a Karma of 0 or 10.000.

So just ignore it

Also the more karma you have, the more - 1/+1 you can give

[DirtyHeddy]

1 minute ago, Chaoskraehe said:

Also the more karma you have, the more - 1/+1 you can give

Agreed - but absolutely unimportant ...

 

[Montrala]

32 minuty temu, KHS01 napisał:

Since I mainly play with CV, my karma is always 0 (ZERO)

 

It is your choice to play mainly CV, it is other players choice to take issue with that. Deal with it.

 

I play CV rarely and when I do (for mission or naval battle stars) I expect to my karma to go down and I perfectly understand why.

[AndyHill]

6 minutes ago, KHS01 said:

Even though it's very rare, sometimes my karma is like 5 or more and it's like my teams are made up of better players then. Am i wrong?

Yes.

[Flaky26]

Před 28 minutami KHS01 řekl/a:

My only crime is playing with them.

And your only punishment is loosing karma, which has no value at all. 

 

Really. Do not watch your karma, just play. Karma is last thing you should worry about. 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Why do you keep feeding green, scaly giants who live under bridges?

[DirtyHeddy]

2 minutes ago, Montrala said:

 

It is your choice to play mainly CV, it is other players choice to take issue with that. Deal with it.

 

I play CV rarely and when I do (for mission or naval battle stars) I expect to my karma to go down and I perfectly understand why.

Haven't You considered a precautionary apologee at the beginning of the game

[lovelacebeer]

8 hours ago, KHS01 said:

Even though it's very rare, sometimes my karma is like 5 or more and it's like my teams are made up of better players then. Am i wrong?

 

Trust me Karma does nothing at all the help you get better teams, could you imagine the MM discussions if that were the case. Im not the best player of this game but I have a little over 800 karma and I get plenty of bad luck with team mates, karma just doesn't affect team lineups.

[Captain_82]

38 minutes ago, KHS01 said:

As you know, incompetent players seek responsibility for their failures in others. Yesterday they complained about CV, today submarines were added to it. Since I mainly play with CV, my karma is always 0 (ZERO) because of such players. Now I'm curious about submarines, but this time again, such players give -1 even at the beginning of the game to react to those who play with submarines. Moreover, they are not only from your team, but also from the other team. My crime is to follow and sink his ship. There needs to be a solution to this problem. For example, what if the karma of the top 3 players at the end of the war is not reduced?

 

Though I usually don`t report CVs, I did so with subs when playing those few Random battles lately.

 

My karma used to be 0 for most of the time (2 atm); apart from what was said already here, it is pretty much useless anyway. So stop worrying!

 

By the way: Its getting a bit tedious, to read the same thing over and over again because ppl ignore the search function ... do you really need to be the guy opening a thread while there are already 10.000 (topic related) existing ones?

 

 

[Flosedus]

Vor 2 Minuten, Captain_82 sagte:

By the way: Its getting a bit tedious, to read the same thing over and over again because ppl ignore the search function ... do you really need to be the guy opening a thread while there are already 10.000 (topic related) existing ones?

 

 

 

Thats because the forum is considered to have the same purpose as the karma system by WG: let people rant about stuff but dont take action.

[KHS01]

8 dakika önce, Captain_82 dedi:

 

 

By the way: Its getting a bit tedious, to read the same thing over and over again because ppl ignore the search function ... do you really need to be the guy opening a thread while there are already 10.000 (topic related) existing ones?

 

 

What is the purpose of this forum if you can't talk about a topic that I'm having trouble with?

[Tanaka_15]

58 minutes ago, KHS01 said:

As you know, incompetent players seek responsibility for their failures in others. Yesterday they complained about CV, today submarines were added to it. Since I mainly play with CV, my karma is always 0 (ZERO) because of such players. Now I'm curious about submarines, but this time again, such players give -1 even at the beginning of the game to react to those who play with submarines. Moreover, they are not only from your team, but also from the other team. My crime is to follow and sink his ship. There needs to be a solution to this problem. For example, what if the karma of the top 3 players at the end of the war is not reduced?

I'm in need of a mode that you raports all cvs in games.