Destroyer line for beginner?

[CaravellaCaravan]

Hi, I'm mostly a battleship player and i also enjoy playing with cruisers.

 

I have never grinded a destroyer line before. 

 

I had premium destroyers (Such as Sims B, Tachibana, Anshan).

 

I always end up with not launching any torpedoes for the fear that i would accidentally hit friendly ships. Hence, i had to get super close to enemy ships to launch torpedoes.

 

I also had Fubuki which i FXP'ed to get.

 

I don't know how to play destroyers and i want to learn how to play them properly to maximize the fun i will have while playing with them.

 

Which line would be better to get used to the destroyers?

 

Note: I'm only playing Co-op.

Thanks in advance.

[Bainsmit_steel]

I advice you not to FXP anything for the first line (tough it is tempting). Play against real people in low tears 3,4,5 and there you will learn fundamentals...and watch some streams there you can also learn a thing or two.

 

In coop you can not learn much...tough sometime bots are better players then people :)....

 

IJN dds are good so you picked ok line.

[Camperdown]

Not for absolute beginners, but from T8 on (Lightning) I would highly recommend the UK line. Earlier tiers are not bad, but from T8 highly versatile Swiss Army knives.

[Spartan_Renegade]

Pan Asia or British DD

[ColonelPete]

IJN DD for Random.

Everything else is at least slightly advanced.

 

Since you play only CoOp, it does not really matter what you play, as you cannot learn DD play there anyway.

 

Btw, you cannot damage friendlies anymore.

[invicta2012]

Torp lines suffer in Co-op because the Bots cheat. Well, Ok, they have a certain set of targeting rules which makes it difficult to land the sort of torp salvo you'd get away with in a Random match. 

 

Conversely, the fact that you have to get about 2km from a ship in order to torp it means that lines which don't play well in Randoms are hilarious in Co-op (thinking of the Soviets, here). 

 

The serious answer is that the British and "Light" German ones are probably the best standard DDs you can get, but bear in mind that you really won't learn about proper DD play outside of random games.

[Verblonde]

20 minutes ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

Which line would be better to get used to the destroyers?

 

Note: I'm only playing Co-op.

If you're only playing Coop, it doesn't matter - play everything, and work your way gradually up the tiers. The low tier Germans are a hoot in Coop due to their forward firing torp tubes.

 

If you need to play in any mode that requires competence, you're going to have to play very differently to the 'set phasers to manly and charge' approach that Coop calls for. In that case, the starting lines I would suggest, in order - assuming the aim is to learn to DD - are as follows:

1. IJN Shima ('torp') line: this will teach you the basics of how to use stealth and torps in conjunction with each other; you will also need to get the hang of playing round CVs, as their AA is non-existent.
2. Americans: this lot are all about ambushing and close-range gunfights; they force you not to rely on long-range torps as they don't get a stealth window until T7. AA is much better than the IJN line, but you are a lot less sneaky in general. Sims is fairly representative of the line in a lot of respects.
3. Germans (original line): these are decent hybrids; the main thing they teach you about is hydro and the correct application of same (from T5).
4. After that, take your pick really; the RN are very good, and I like the Ikea line a lot too. If you like the 'drive it like you stole it' play-style, the French are a magnificent alternative (I only play mine in Coop though - they're one of the best lines for that mode, but they aren't a 'teaching' line).

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I can recommend subs for destroyer players if you want to binge Netflix or something.

[Yedwy]

39 minutes ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

Hi, I'm mostly a battleship player and i also enjoy playing with cruisers.

 

I have never grinded a destroyer line before. 

 

I had premium destroyers (Such as Sims B, Tachibana, Anshan).

 

I always end up with not launching any torpedoes for the fear that i would accidentally hit friendly ships. Hence, i had to get super close to enemy ships to launch torpedoes.

 

I also had Fubuki which i FXP'ed to get.

 

I don't know how to play destroyers and i want to learn how to play them properly to maximize the fun i will have while playing with them.

 

Which line would be better to get used to the destroyers?

 

Note: I'm only playing Co-op.

Thanks in advance.

If you are not good with torps except at point blank and like guns better take russian main line and later you can go to the hybrid branch to learn a bit more torp oriented play, IJN gunboats is another option

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

6 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

If you are not good with torps except at point blank and like guns better take russian main line and later you can go to the hybrid branch to learn a bit more torp oriented play, IJN gunboats is another option

Again, if you are not good with torps, pick a sub

[Montrala]

46 minut temu, CaravellaCaravan napisał:

Note: I'm only playing Co-op.

 

In that case, I would suggest line with good torpedo alfa strike, as co-op games just end too fast for gunboats to rack up good damage. That means practically any line except European (low damage torpedoes) and Asian (deep water torpedoes do not hit destroyers). Due to bots being very good at dodging torps, you will need to come up close anyway, so long range torps or stealth torping capability is not really needed in co-op.

 

Also there is no need to worry too much about hitting torpedoes on teammates, as team damage is removed from game. Now hitting on "the green" is just nothing more than waste of torpedo.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

56 minutes ago, CaravellaCaravan said:

Note: I'm only playing Co-op.

Thanks in advance.

Sorry, I didn't read that. Forget subs. I'd say pick the UK destroyers. They have nice guns, hydro, single launch torps and short smoke with very little downtime that allow you to escape if you find yourself in trouble. You can play them agressively in coop which you often need to do since the rounds are usually over within 3-5 minutes on T5 plus.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 17 Minuten, Europizza sagte:

Again, if you are not good with torps anything, pick a sub

[MoveZig]

For co-op, French ones are best. Their bad concealment doesn't matter and their speed and HP makes them great for yolo tactics, which is just for what co-op is. German ones T6+ are great.too, as are USSR. US and UK ones are also fine. PA ones are bad because you can't torp the DDs that will come for you every single time. Europeans are bad because of the weak torps and meh guns, their strengths work best in pvp.

[UnderDuress]

6 minutes ago, MoveZig said:

For co-op, French ones are best.

I was about to say this. None of their disadvantages matter and their good points are almost built for co-op.

 

But it’s co-op, anything is fine so just go with what you like the looks of.

[colonel_duce]

Go either with German DDs (average in everything but do have german hydro) or Japan (Shimakaze line).

American DDs were recommended for beginners, but their torpedos do lack range and you can`t stealth torp with them in early tiers. Therefore i would not recommend.

Asian DDs have deep water torps, therefore you can`t torp other DDs (altough that was my first DD line)

RN DDs have kinda long torp reload
French and Russians are more gunboats than torpedo boats.

 

And as said earlier, you can`t do friendly fire anymore.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

I would still say US or Pan Asian destroyers. What you need to learn is not how to stealth torp. You need to learn positioning, when to advance and when to retreat, when to use smoke and how, when to torp and when to use guns. And for all that, US DDs are pretty good - and forgiving! That said, it's a rough time to start playing destroyers.

[Verblonde]

20 minutes ago, colonel_duce said:

American DDs were recommended for beginners, but their torpedos do lack range and you can`t stealth torp with them in early tiers. Therefore i would not recommend.

This is precisely *why* I recommend the US line for beginners as a second line; the danger with the IJN torp boats is that you get too reliant on torpedoes (I did) and neglect the use of guns - it makes sense, given how hopeless the lower tier IJN guns are.

 

The US DDs are the way to deal with that: because you can't stealth torp, you *have* to get competent with ambushing, making use of terrain, and the use of guns. They only really work (until T7+) at shorter engagement ranges, and aren't terribly stealthy, so you are forced to learn the tricks necessary to get you close in as few pieces as possible. This skill-set then makes you much more effective in sneaky ships (IJN torp boats), as well as anything that relies even partly on guns.

 

One of the key jobs for a lot of DDs is to sink opposing DDs; you do a much better job if you've completed some sort of 'apprenticeship' with the Americans. Just to be clear: I *hated* the lower tier US DDs when I first started (even Clemson), but playing them has made me a much less bad player than I was before...

 

[K82J]

If you wanna constantly nuke bots, and dont mind to spend a few dollars,  Okhotnik.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

For a dd torp boat you have to play with its concealment.

 

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Choose whatever that's available and what suits your playstyle... in CoOp it doesn't really matter.

 

If you want to go dakka-dakka without having to bother with torps or staying invisble too much, get the russian or french DDs. Baby Cruisers...

[MadBadDave]

6 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

 

Torp lines suffer in Co-op because the Bots cheat

 

They do but that’s very easy to get around, select your target,  position your firing angle  when it’s on target quickly switch to another target and fire torps at original target. 
 

Regarding best mode, sorry but I disagree that co ops are the worst, they are by far the best, because the bots come at you, it’s great practice for cap contesting, for grinding directives and for honing Torp practice.  
 

eg;  play random vs 1 dd and you may not even see the other dd, play co op and he’ll come straight for you (yet further practice: dd vs dd).
 

Another free bit of advice; if you have   AR   and a heal don’t instantly heal (unless you have very low HP) if you take damage and you’ll benefit from the quicker reloads 😉. 
 

best DD ?,  depends on your style none are bad and Eu Dds like Halland improved my dd and cruiser play (not reliant on smoke), my favourite DD; Fletcher (imho better than Gearing with LM). 
 

Kidd is great but severely handicapped by torps.

[Verblonde]

3 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

They do but that’s very easy to get around, select your target,  position your firing angle  when it’s on target quickly switch to another target and fire torps at original target.

Thanks! I'll try this later.

 

This here is why it's worth sticking around the forum - I didn't know this trick and I have several thousand battles under my belt...

 

[invicta2012]

26 minutes ago, MadBadDave said:

Regarding best mode, sorry but I disagree that co ops are the worst, they are by far the best, because the bots come at you, it’s great practice for cap contesting, for grinding directives and for honing Torp practice.  

It has its uses, for sure, especially now it's gone back to normal and all the subs have left. But would you learn to start with your AA off? Back into caps? How to use hydro and deal with radar? Probs not. 

[lovelacebeer]

In part I would say it depends on how you like to play.
 

The Japanese DDs are a good line to learn on and have good concealment going up the line so that can be handy when getting used to DD games and learning about over extending. 
 

Otherwise the British DDs also do get reasonably good concealment plus the hydro can be very handy avoiding enemy torps plus the short term smoke is nice for when you need to run away. 
 

If your a bit more of an aggressive player who wants to contest caps the Brits might suit you more of if your patient and more cautious the Japanese would appeal.
 

However I would leave one word of caution, WG are introducing submarines and DDs are very much on the sharp edge of this experiment. Whilst I cannot advice on how to deal with this as a DD I would perhaps not be in a rush to learn DD gameplay at this time.