Carnot is amazing

[Itwastuesday]

Thanks WG, I didn't know you'd make the supercruiser I always wanted.

 

Maximum flanking speed. Commence pénétration of puny, less French citadels. Disrespect sniper battleship that couldn't kill you even if they knew how to lead.

 

It's like what if HIV didn't instantly explode if you made a mistake and just in general had better ability to smash with it's AP. 

 

[kapnobathrac]

👍

[Yedwy]

Yeah, I was sceptical at first but she is a pretty nice rounded BC

[Aragathor]

She's very solid. While she still plays distinctively French. Which is not everyone's cup of tea.

[SodaBubbles]

I love that ship. So much wheeeeee fun! in that boat.

[Miscommunication_dept]

You guys might just convince me to get it!

[bigdoguk]

Was going to buy her until I watched a streamer get one shot 

[totally_potato]

3 hours ago, Itwastuesday said:

Thanks WG, I didn't know you'd make the supercruiser I always wanted.

 

Maximum flanking speed. Commence pénétration of puny, less French citadels. Disrespect sniper battleship that couldn't kill you even if they knew how to lead.

 

It's like what if HIV didn't instantly explode if you made a mistake and just in general had better ability to smash with it's AP. 

 

its a good ship

Its a reasonably balanced super cruiser with good armor suited for mid-long range engagements and large HP pool. Her guns have long reload but you fire 10 of them and you have more alpha strike than other cruisers. Its also insanely mobile, with 43+ knot top speed with everything equipped and activated, as well as decent acceleration and deceleration time. Her AA is meh, her secs seem to hit a lot for some bizarre reason (didn't see any mention of improved accuracy, not that Carnot is suited for brawling anyway). She is basically an upsized Henri IV. 

 

The only thing missing is reload booster, but other than that, its real nice to play 

[Yedwy]

29 minutes ago, bigdoguk said:

Was going to buy her until I watched a streamer get one shot 

Well you can get one shot in pretty much any ship if you are unlucky for several cits to connect

[Bainsmit_steel]

I am pretty bad at Carnot (I was to aggressive) but it is surprisingly interesting to play despite it is vanilla Cruiser (it has no gimmicks at all).

 

On the plus side I would say:

 

- surprisingly tanky although that leads for me to many defeats as i was too aggressive (kiting is probably better option)

- AP shell is monster

- Fast for cruiser

- Decent maneuverability

- Pretty flat shell arcs

- Large HP pool

 

Neutral:

 

- Secondaries hits a lot but impact not that lot :)

 

On the minus side:

 

- HE shells are kinda bad tough not tragic

- Long reload time

- Vanilla cruiser so it offers nothing to the utility or to the team apart damage

- Team dependent as  he can not spot alone tough concealment is not that bad

- It burns and it burns and it burns :)

 

 

AP shells can often do 8+ k on bbs without any problem regularly it can even score citadel on Yamato and likes at mid range.

 

Hope that this can help somebody :)

 

 

@bigdoguk  sadly in this meta every single cruiser can be one shoted so it is more like an feature then problem :)

 

[MrWastee]

43 minutes ago, Bainsmit_steel said:

I am pretty bad at Carnot (I was to aggressive) but it is surprisingly interesting to play despite it is vanilla Cruiser (it has no gimmicks at all).

 

On the plus side I would say:

 

- surprisingly tanky although that leads for me to many defeats as i was too aggressive (kiting is probably better option)

- AP shell is monster

- Fast for cruiser

- Decent maneuverability

- Pretty flat shell arcs

- Large HP pool

 

Neutral:

 

- Secondaries hits a lot but impact not that lot :)

 

On the minus side:

 

- HE shells are kinda bad tough not tragic

- Long reload time

- Vanilla cruiser so it offers nothing to the utility or to the team apart damage

- Team dependent as  he can not spot alone tough concealment is not that bad

- It burns and it burns and it burns :)

 

 

AP shells can often do 8+ k on bbs without any problem regularly it can even score citadel on Yamato and likes at mid range.

 

Hope that this can help somebody :)

 

 

@bigdoguk  sadly in this meta every single cruiser can be one shoted so it is more like an feature then problem :)

 

fyi:

the perk here is the speed/agility and probably ap shells. while none of those are "clickable" (xcept for the speedboost ofc), it's one of the most outstanding gimmicks imho! nothing gives options like speed and agility, over the course of a full match not even concealment imo (as, in doubt, speed can beat concealment in a no-support scenario). aKa: the more to shoot at u, the less they hit, the more time u gain for ur team to farm down the opposing team. and, if ever needed, relocating is a "walk in the park" .....

 

dang, i feel i really need to get carnot

[Captn_Crap]

1 hour ago, totally_potato said:

Her AA is meh, her secs seem to hit a lot for some bizarre reason (didn't see any mention of improved accuracy, not that Carnot is suited for brawling anyway).

She has standard secondary dispersion.

[MrWastee]

....*i'm just holding back, as there'll might be a t10 variant ^^.... anyone got intel on such?!

[Bainsmit_steel]

25 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

....*i'm just holding back, as there'll might be a t10 variant ^^.... anyone got intel on such?!

Yep there is T6 French cv that roughly equals t 10 French cruiser :) lol

[BrusilovX]

Keep in mind that if it's too much fun it can always be nerfed into the ground.

[totally_potato]

1 hour ago, Captn_Crap said:

She has standard secondary dispersion.

which confuses me

I remember getting like 20 secondaries on a DD 6km away in a row, and that was just weird af

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

....*i'm just holding back, as there'll might be a t10 variant ^^.... anyone got intel on such?!

Thats actually a very good point, a slight reload buff and a reload booster would be all that’s needed for tier 10.

[Itwastuesday]

2 hours ago, MrWastee said:

fyi:

the perk here is the speed/agility and probably ap shells. while none of those are "clickable" (xcept for the speedboost ofc), it's one of the most outstanding gimmicks imho! nothing gives options like speed and agility, over the course of a full match not even concealment imo (as, in doubt, speed can beat concealment in a no-support scenario). aKa: the more to shoot at u, the less they hit, the more time u gain for ur team to farm down the opposing team. and, if ever needed, relocating is a "walk in the park" .....

 

dang, i feel i really need to get carnot

Yeah like the other Supercruisers are pretty lardy when it comes to maneuvering. Carnot feels to me like what if Azuma had really good speed and didn't have an entirely disastrous armor scheme and lost HE powers. It seems so very unremarkable but in practice it's glorious.

[MrWastee]

1 hour ago, gopher31 said:

Thats actually a very good point, a slight reload buff and a reload booster would be all that’s needed for tier 10.

.... last time it was azuma... and i got her, just to regret it right away a few later when yoshino did hit.... while i somehow managed to score my t9 dmg record yet on azuma, i kinda still somtimes think it was wasted coal 

 

1 hour ago, Itwastuesday said:

Yeah like the other Supercruisers are pretty lardy when it comes to maneuvering. Carnot feels to me like what if Azuma had really good speed and didn't have an entirely disastrous armor scheme and lost HE powers. It seems so very unremarkable but in practice it's glorious.

for me everything that comes close to old hiv maneuvrability (or cracks it), is kind of a must have. and, while no one really answered me on that when i did ask for some ago, i read it like carnot does come close. also did see a few secs from a clanmate streaming, presenting the carnot in this regard.

 

i come from a game where totally(!!!) over the top speedtanking did have a good part in destroying pvp in the end, the camera had no chance to follow lol. i yet have to see one in which it not works.

[Itwastuesday]

5 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

for me everything that comes close to old hiv maneuvrability (or cracks it), is kind of a must have. and, while no one really answered me on that when i did ask for some ago, i read it like carnot does come close. also did see a few secs from a clanmate streaming, presenting the carnot in this regard.

 

i come from a game where totally(!!!) over the top speedtanking did have a good part in destroying pvp in the end, the camera had no chance to follow lol. i yet have to see one in which it not works.

Sorry, I know nothing of the old HIV. The game tells me HIV has 220k horsepowers and Carnot 160k, so it's perhaps less able to speedjuke? But the thing is, it's a supercruiser, with unusually robust armor for the French. I've been shot by all sorts of things in my limit testing and the only disastrous hits were from a flanking Jean Bart I couldn't angle to, though no cits from him either.

[MrWastee]

1 minute ago, Itwastuesday said:

Sorry, I know nothing of the old HIV. The game tells me HIV has 220k horsepowers and Carnot 160k, so it's perhaps less able to speedjuke? But the thing is, it's a supercruiser, with unusually robust armor for the French. I've been shot by all sorts of things in my limit testing and the only disastrous hits were from a flanking Jean Bart I couldn't angle to, though no cits from him either.

i dont think really hp's do matter here. hiv acceleration got nerfed into oblivion in regard to what was possible before. from what i did see carnot is way closer to the old hiv than the actual one itself.

[Itwastuesday]

2 minutes ago, MrWastee said:

i dont think really hp's do matter here. hiv acceleration got nerfed into oblivion in regard to what was possible before. from what i did see carnot is way closer to the old hiv than the actual one itself.

Hmm. I'm not good at speed juking so perhaps somebody else has some insight. I'll try it some more.

[Miscommunication_dept]

1 hour ago, MrWastee said:

i dont think really hp's do matter here. hiv acceleration got nerfed into oblivion in regard to what was possible before. from what i did see carnot is way closer to the old hiv than the actual one itself.

 

HP affects acceleration under full power.

 

HIV nerf was initially doubling the time it took to get to full power from 40 to 80 seconds. It's now been buffed to 70s (50s to max reverse).

Carnot has normal cruiser acceleration; 40s forward, 20s reverse.

Speed boost seems to make this almost instant.

 

HIV still has more than double the HP per ton though It doesn't feel like it!

 

[Miscommunication_dept]

Kearsarge is now final. Might hold off on the Carnot.

 

I like ugly!

[lafeel]

4 minutes ago, gopher31 said:

Kearsarge is now final. Might hold off on the Carnot.

 

I like ugly!

Oh no, ugly is something like Zieten.

 

We need to invent a whole new descriptor form something like Kearsage because ugly doesn't even BEGIN to cover it.