Petty people complaining about Premium ships.

[The_Chiv]

So I have been playing since alpha. I have all but 2 cv lines to t10. I also just recently picked up both the Napoli and the Stalingrad. I have always wanted the Stalingrad, but CB requires me to play with other people and that has been a bit hit or miss for me and the whole experience was too much frustration for my liking. So I collected steel from SC, mission rewards and a some rank play. Yes this took a bit. I love the Stalingrad. When it first came out it was a beast, now a days it is less impactful but still an amazing ship.

 

So today was in a match and im doing what Stalingrad does best, find broadside put heavy ap shells into broadside. I find a Hindenburg at about 18km away and I give him a love tap for 19k damage. Instantly starts complaining so I give him another tap for 8k and another one for 8k. Still complaining. What is the complaint? I spent money on a ship. I could not stop laughing. We ended up losing the match, but not before wracked up 168k damage. After the match the Kid messages me still crying.

 

This sort of reaction is pretty damn common to be honest. I have had people cry about Smolensk, Colbert, Agir, Alaska, Puerto rico(I grinded for that one), I even had a Neptune yesterday give me grief because I hit 10 citadels on him with the Kleber. It is not the ship that beats you people. Its the player and it is yourself that beats you.

 

I know some people would like to believe that premium ships are so much better and that they are "OP", but reality says other wise. Some of the best ships in the game are F2P tech tree ships. At the end of the day it is not the ship that wins the game, but how the player uses the ship, cause lord knows I have seen way to many people playing "OP" ships so poorly that it made me laugh. A strong ship does not negate the impact of player skill or lack there of.

 

So the next time you die to a premium ship, before you got all rage and ham fist your keyboard ask yourself one simple question. How did this happen?  Remember that at the end of the day you are responsible for your positioning and angling. If you got punished because you showed too much broadside then that is a "U" problem. Accept your pounding and learn from the mistake. 

 

Also please continue to post your rages in chats and pms.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, The_Chiv said:

I even had a Neptune yesterday give me grief because I hit 10 citadels on him with the Kleber. It is not the ship that beats you people. Its the player and it is yourself that beats you.

Let's be honest here: the Stalingrad is very strong, at least gunnery-wise:

- insane penetration values

- improved penetration angles

- insane accuracy (and ballistics).

 

She's also very tanky when nose-in.

 

Is she perfect? No, she's clumsy and vulnerable to AP bombers, as well as when showing broadside, but she's still one of the best high-tier ships.

 

The whole "it's not the ship, it's the captain" argument would be a lot more persuasive if you'd been sailing, let's say, a bottom-tier Helena, or a Paolo Emilio against multiple DDs/hydros/radars, or a Normandie against 2 carriers...

[The_Chiv]

4 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

Let's be honest here: the Stalingrad is very strong, at least gunnery-wise:

- insane penetration values

- improved penetration angles

- insane accuracy (and ballistics).

 

She's also very tanky when nose-in.

 

Is she perfect? No, she's clumsy and vulnerable to AP bombers, as well as when showing broadside, but she's still one of the best high-tier ships.

 

The whole "it's not the ship, it's the captain" argument would be a lot more persuasive if you'd been sailing, let's say, a bottom-tier Helena, or a Paolo Emilio against multiple DDs/hydros/radars, or a Normandie against 2 carriers...

So all the games where I was in a t8 in a t10 match and dominated...Got way to many of those to count :)

[Cirno9999]

the correct them for those people would be

Leeches, f2whiners, you name it

 

every ship can be good , depending on player skills , enemy misplaying, and rng matchmaking putting radar cruisers on one side and hydro cruisers on the other

[tocqueville8]

Just now, The_Chiv said:

So all the games where I was in a t8 in a t10 match and dominated...Got way to many of those to count :)

So do I, but that's not the point I'm arguing. You're attacking a strawman.

 

If you carried in a T8 against T10s, and someone complained about your T8 being OP, sure, he'd be wrong: it is the captain, obviously.

But the Stalingrad? No disrespect to you, but she is a very strong ship indeed. She's just a bad example to generalize from.

 

If I melt someone in the Colbert, it's probably to my credit, but in the Conqueror? Not so much, imho.

[The_Chiv]

1 minute ago, Cirno9999 said:

the correct them for those people would be

Leeches, f2whiners, you name it

 

every ship can be good , depending on player skills , enemy misplaying, and rng matchmaking putting radar cruisers on one side and hydro cruisers on the other

Y'all put way too much into radar. Radar does not decided matches. DDS playing poorly waiting for others to deal with radar however does.

[Yedwy]

Yeah its esp funny when they call you out on a freemium ship anyone can get with little bit of skill and some elbow grease...

[bloodynicknames]

31 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

So I have been playing since alpha. I have all but 2 cv lines to t10. I also just recently picked up both the Napoli and the Stalingrad. I have always wanted the Stalingrad, but CB requires me to play with other people and that has been a bit hit or miss for me and the whole experience was too much frustration for my liking. So I collected steel from SC, mission rewards and a some rank play. Yes this took a bit. I love the Stalingrad. When it first came out it was a beast, now a days it is less impactful but still an amazing ship.

 

So today was in a match and im doing what Stalingrad does best, find broadside put heavy ap shells into broadside. I find a Hindenburg at about 18km away and I give him a love tap for 19k damage. Instantly starts complaining so I give him another tap for 8k and another one for 8k. Still complaining. What is the complaint? I spent money on a ship. I could not stop laughing. We ended up losing the match, but not before wracked up 168k damage. After the match the Kid messages me still crying.

 

This sort of reaction is pretty damn common to be honest. I have had people cry about Smolensk, Colbert, Agir, Alaska, Puerto rico(I grinded for that one), I even had a Neptune yesterday give me grief because I hit 10 citadels on him with the Kleber. It is not the ship that beats you people. Its the player and it is yourself that beats you.

 

I know some people would like to believe that premium ships are so much better and that they are "OP", but reality says other wise. Some of the best ships in the game are F2P tech tree ships. At the end of the day it is not the ship that wins the game, but how the player uses the ship, cause lord knows I have seen way to many people playing "OP" ships so poorly that it made me laugh. A strong ship does not negate the impact of player skill or lack there of.

 

So the next time you die to a premium ship, before you got all rage and ham fist your keyboard ask yourself one simple question. How did this happen?  Remember that at the end of the day you are responsible for your positioning and angling. If you got punished because you showed too much broadside then that is a "U" problem. Accept your pounding and learn from the mistake. 

 

Also please continue to post your rages in chats and pms.

i finally got the Stalingrad yesterday after suffering through ranked and all I can say is that that ship is just plain broken if you have more than 2 braincells. 

The AP slaps everything around, she has insane survivability if you dont blunder and if you're entrenched near an island nothing short of concentrated HE spam will dislodge you. 

[The_Chiv]

2 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

So do I, but that's not the point I'm arguing. You're attacking a strawman.

 

If you carried in a T8 against T10s, and someone complained about your T8 being OP, sure, he'd be wrong.

 

But the Stalingrad? No disrespect to you, but she is a very strong ship indeed...

I guess you missed the part where I said he was in a Hindenburg? You know a German cruiser that can easily HE spam a Stalingrad to death as 203mm /4= 50.75 or 51mm of pen, which is enough to pen every part of the upper belt, deck, bow, stern, and super structure. He showed broadside took 3 slavos for 35.9k damage crying about how broken a ship is, making fun of spending money and "investing" in a premium ship. Yes it is a strong ship, but it is not a paywall ship, and it is easy to hard counter and he actually had one of the ships that keeps it in check, but he played it poorly. Rather then accepting his own failing he lashed out about premium ships. Its a silly argument but gave me a good chuckle.

[The_Chiv]

5 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Yeah its esp funny when they call you out on a freemium ship anyone can get with little bit of skill and some elbow grease...

Oh you have no idea. When I grinded the PR oh man did I catch hell for it, even though I streamed the entire process which was a nightmare.

[tocqueville8]

Just now, The_Chiv said:

I guess you missed the part where I said he was in a Hindenburg? You know a German cruiser that can easily HE spam a Stalingrad to death as 203mm /4= 50.75 or 51mm of pen, which is enough to pen every part of the upper belt, deck, bow, stern, and super structure. He showed broadside took 3 slavos for 35.9k damage crying about how broken a ship is, making fun of spending money and "investing" in a premium ship. Yes it is a strong ship, but it is not a paywall ship, and it is easy to hard counter and he actually had one of the ships that keeps it in check, but he played it poorly. Rather then accepting his own failing he lashed out about premium ships. Its a silly argument but gave me a good chuckle.

I know all that, but even with a Hindenburg being a Hindenburg, the Stalingrad in that position (18 km away, you say) is probably better than, say, a DM or anything else with worse shell performance.

 

Just a wild stab in the dark: do you happen to be performing better in the Stalingrad than in the Worcester, DM, Zao, Napoli (which you also just got)...?

[The_Chiv]

1 minute ago, bloodynicknames said:

i finally got the Stalingrad yesterday after suffering through ranked and all I can say is that that ship is just plain broken if you have more than 2 braincells. 

The AP slaps everything around, she has insane survivability if you dont blunder and if you're entrenched near an island nothing short of concentrated HE spam will dislodge you. 

Bow on with it is not always a good way to play it, 25mm bow means 380's will glide right through and the armor behind that is not much and will most likely either nuke the front gun or slide into the citadel.

 

I will concede it is a very strong ship, no where near as strong as it use to be due to the heavy HE meta and the skilltree rework have knocked it down a peg or two.

 

 

[totally_potato]

39 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

This sort of reaction is pretty damn common to be honest. I have had people cry about Smolensk, Colbert, Agir, Alaska, Puerto rico(I grinded for that one), I even had a Neptune yesterday give me grief because I hit 10 citadels on him with the Kleber. It is not the ship that beats you people. Its the player and it is yourself that beats you.

Smolensk is kind of understandable. It was broken af. Like 16 guns, firing 4 seconds at worst out to like 19km if you build for it, with a smoke screen and armor that bounced 16 inch AP, but overpened everything when showing broadside, as well as hydro and good torps for defense, and Russian AP with the insane reload. Yeah, I don't need to tell you why ppl complained about that.

Colbert, less so coz its Rb and ppl hardly saw it, but its insanely fast, again the overpen troll armor but no 30mm this time, its got like the best DPm in the game, and also could extend its range out to ridiculousness, and you couldn't hit the damn thing. So that's another

Agir complaints that I have heard, are mostly becoz it had some insane secondaries in testing. Losing that, ppl got pissed. Can't think of anything else tbh. Agir is a good ship, quite versatile but far from OP

Alaska is broken af. 

Puerto Rico fiasco is the main reason for that ship getting complained about. ppl usually mock others for owning that ship, becoz they prob sold their [edited]car to get the money to buy PR, it was that expensive, or they just wasted their whole christmas grinding for it. The ship itself is completely fine

 

 

As for griefing from the enemy team, its just bad sportsmanship from their side. My first Elbing game, I nuked a Moskva in like 3 salvoes, and the idiot reported me as well as asked my team to report me coz I was using hacks, coz apparently I bought Elbing with doubs, coz apparently its a premium that WG are selling for crap players to make them good. Didn't get it? Me neither. 

 

Its best to just ignore such messages, and just play it your way and live your day. Griefers are griefers, no one can change that. They will remain as is. No need to waste time on them

[Echo_519]

Vor 48 Minuten, The_Chiv sagte:

This sort of reaction is pretty damn common to be honest. I have had people cry about Smolensk, Colbert, Agir, Alaska, Puerto rico(I grinded for that one), I even had a Neptune yesterday give me grief because I hit 10 citadels on him with the Kleber. It is not the ship that beats you people. Its the player and it is yourself that beats you.

No, it's not the player, it's always the ships you describe...

Or else, please show us a replay with a Wooster hitting a Hindenburg for 38k in 3 salvos at 18km. IF, as you say, it's not the ship, but only the player, then it would be simple for you to do so? 

We all already know the answer, you won't be able to do so, because stalin is the only cruiser that can do this reliably. So please shop calling ship specific things as "it's the player" when literally this is what the ship was made for... 

[The_Chiv]

2 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

I know all that, but even with a Hindenburg being a Hindenburg, the Stalingrad in that position (18 km away, you say) is probably better than, say, a DM or anything else with worse shell performance.

 

Just a wild stab in the dark: do you happen to be performing better in the Stalingrad than in the Worcester, DM, Zao, Napoli (which you also just got)...?

Sigh you realize your question is a fallacy? You are asking me to compare a super cruiser to a CL, and some CA's. While yes a cruiser the differences between the sub class makes any comparison a bit misleading, however...Basing the average damage off anything other then a super cruiser would be very misleading, however I will tell you that of all the t10 cruisers I have Stalingrad is currently 6th in terms of average damage. When compared to other t10 super cruisers it is 2nd.

[The_Chiv]

13 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

Smolensk is kind of understandable. It was broken af. Like 16 guns, firing 4 seconds at worst out to like 19km if you build for it, with a smoke screen and armor that bounced 16 inch AP, but overpened everything when showing broadside, as well as hydro and good torps for defense, and Russian AP with the insane reload. Yeah, I don't need to tell you why ppl complained about that.

Colbert, less so coz its Rb and ppl hardly saw it, but its insanely fast, again the overpen troll armor but no 30mm this time, its got like the best DPm in the game, and also could extend its range out to ridiculousness, and you couldn't hit the damn thing. So that's another

Agir complaints that I have heard, are mostly becoz it had some insane secondaries in testing. Losing that, ppl got pissed. Can't think of anything else tbh. Agir is a good ship, quite versatile but far from OP

Alaska is broken af. 

Puerto Rico fiasco is the main reason for that ship getting complained about. ppl usually mock others for owning that ship, becoz they prob sold their [edited]car to get the money to buy PR, it was that expensive, or they just wasted their whole christmas grinding for it. The ship itself is completely fine

 

 

As for griefing from the enemy team, its just bad sportsmanship from their side. My first Elbing game, I nuked a Moskva in like 3 salvoes, and the idiot reported me as well as asked my team to report me coz I was using hacks, coz apparently I bought Elbing with doubs, coz apparently its a premium that WG are selling for crap players to make them good. Didn't get it? Me neither. 

 

Its best to just ignore such messages, and just play it your way and live your day. Griefers are griefers, no one can change that. They will remain as is. No need to waste time on them

Why ignore them when we can sit back and laugh at them. My ships are all green powered off the tears of my enemies. 

[The_Chiv]

10 minutes ago, Echo_519 said:

No, it's not the player, it's always the ships you describe...

Or else, please show us a replay with a Wooster hitting a Hindenburg for 38k in 3 salvos at 18km. IF, as you say, it's not the ship, but only the player, then it would be simple for you to do so? 

We all already know the answer, you won't be able to do so, because stalin is the only cruiser that can do this reliably. So please shop calling ship specific things as "it's the player" when literally this is what the ship was made for... 

It is a player thing because at the end of the day it was the players choice to position where they were, to angle where they were, and to throw a tantrum for their failings. Your attempt to strawman however is rather funny.  Now on to your Worcester scenario. Yes it can be done. Multiple perm fires can easily make this happen at around 15km with a bit of luck. AP however you will need closer to 12km or less and a broadside as Worcester AP can salvo over 12k rather easily with the right aim against BBs, a bit more of a struggle against cruisers, but still possible mathematically 

[Yedwy]

33 minutes ago, Echo_519 said:

Or else, please show us a replay with a Wooster hitting a Hindenburg for 38k in 3 salvos at 18km

Wooster no, many other silver heavy cruisers - no problem, including but not limited to - Petro, Riga, Hanry, Gouden, also coal purchasable things like for instance Carnot can wreck Hindi like there is no tomorrow

[totally_potato]

28 minutes ago, The_Chiv said:

Why ignore them when we can sit back and laugh at them. My ships are all green powered off the tears of my enemies. 

its not worth the time

You can laugh back as much as you want, they will laugh back at you

And they are wasting your time, which I am pretty sure is doing you no good

SO best to just ignore and carry forward

[The_Chiv]

1 minute ago, totally_potato said:

its not worth the time

You can laugh back as much as you want, they will laugh back at you

And they are wasting your time, which I am pretty sure is doing you no good

SO best to just ignore and carry forward

Ehh it is one of the few things that keeps me playing.

[Itwastuesday]

So many stupid whiners emerging from the woodworks lately, like the amount of ingame butthurt has grown tenfold. A clanmate got flamed for playing P2W Alaska...

[tocqueville8]

8 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

however I will tell you that of all the t10 cruisers I have Stalingrad is currently 6th in terms of average damage. When compared to other t10 super cruisers it is 2nd.

According to https://wows-numbers.com/player/566314379,The_Chiv/, the Stalingrad is:

 

- your second-best-performing T10 cruiser by WR

- your best-performing T10 cruiser by average damage

- your best-performing SHIP by damage (if we exclude Vermont, Kremlin and Gouden Leeuw, which you've played for 5 games combined)

 

Also, I don't see why her average damage should be naturally high, if she wasn't very strong. Unlike the Wooster, Colbert, Zao, Henri IV, etc., the Stalingrad relies little on fires and a lot on AP damage, often citadel damage, which is more impactful.

 

That Hindenburg might've misplayed, but it's hard to deny that misplaying against a Stalingrad is both easier and punished more harshly than misplaying against most other T10 cruisers: the Stalingrad has the highest WR of the bunch, and the fact that steel ships have a playerbase bias doesn't explain why she should have a higher WR than, say, Austin and Plymouth, both more recent and likely with a more élite playerbase still.

 

I'm not calling you a bad person for playing the Stalingrad, of course. I'm just saying she is indeed stronger than the average of her peers.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

16k battles...

still reading chat...

still bothering about what's written in chat...

Wow...

[SodaBubbles]

6 hours ago, bloodynicknames said:

i finally got the Stalingrad yesterday after suffering through ranked and all I can say is that that ship is just plain broken if you have more than 2 braincells. 

The AP slaps everything around, she has insane survivability if you dont blunder and if you're entrenched near an island nothing short of concentrated HE spam will dislodge you. 

Yep. I hate seeing it on the other side. I have no idea whether she is OP, but she is broken AF. 

[HassenderZerhacker]

14 hours ago, Cirno9999 said:

the correct them for those people would be

Leeches, f2whiners, you name it

 

 

don't worry, there will be less and less of these.