Too much exaggeration when it comes to Submarines.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

People are really going overboard to the point of exaggeration when it comes to submarines. While I don't love them I don't hate them either. Every game I've been in the moment when a sub appears it gets depth charged into oblivion. 

 

There are two things that need to be taken into account. 

 

1: When dealing with new things people don't know how to deal with it initially so they feel like it's broken.

 

2: Really good players can take anything, especially something new, and either break the game or make things really difficult until others learn to counter it. 

 

Give it a bit of time and subs will just fall into place like everything else. BTW I can't stand Wargaming so this is not defending them just pointing something out.

[Yedwy]

Yeah, you are wrong

[Miragetank90]

The thing is they're just not fun at all, at least to me. They're pretty boring to play and they're not much fun to play against either. 

 

When I first started playing each class in WoWs 5-6 years ago, I couldn't wait to play more and I really enjoyed each, still do. Here though I'm done after a few games. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

7 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Yeah, you are wrong

Explain why then.

[SV_Kompresor]

Exaggeration? Perhaps. But it doesn't change the fact that subs are an unhealthy addition to the game in every possible way. Regardless of whether they destroy the game completely or just prove to be a minimal annoyance. Hell, even CVs sometimes (even though it's rare) bring some good things into the matches, subs don't.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, Miragetank90 said:

The thing is they're just not fun at all, at least to me. They're pretty boring to play and they're not much fun to play against either. 

 

When I first started playing each class in WoWs 5-6 years ago, I couldn't wait to play more and I really enjoyed each, still do. Here though I'm done after a few games. 

I agree they are boring to play and boring to play against because all you do is spam depth charges but they aren't as broken as people make them out to be.

[_Lupastro_]

1 minuto fa, The_Angry_Admiral ha scritto:

Explain why then.

Maybe you have to read the 30+ detailed pages of motivations where according to the playerbase the subs ruin the game...

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, SV_Kompresor said:

Exaggeration? Perhaps. But it doesn't change the fact that subs are an unhealthy addition to the game in every possible way. Regardless of whether they destroy the game completely or just prove to be a minimal annoyance. Hell, even CVs sometimes (even though it's rare) bring some good things into the matches, subs don't.

Explain what this unhealthy addition is exactly.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Just now, _Lupastro_ said:

Maybe you have to read the 30+ detailed pages of motivations where according to the playerbase the subs ruin the game...

Most of them were just the typical excuses that come with new things.

[MementoMori_6030]

With a vast amount of 399 battles, I would consider you to be a new thing coming with typical excuses. 

[SV_Kompresor]

2 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Explain what this unhealthy addition is exactly.

1. They replace ships in a game designed for a maximum of 12. That's why you end up with teams with completely broken composition because wg is unwilling to increase team sizes to compensate.
2. Their gameplay is completely different from the main 3 classes which makes them next to impossible to balance within the meta.
3. They're frustrating to play against.
4. Homing torps.

[Redcap375]

10 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

I agree they are boring to play and boring to play against because all you do is spam depth charges but they aren't as broken as people make them out to be.

 

One of the best BB players in the game:

 

 

Now stop trolling and meet some RL friends down the pub (if you are old enough of course).

 

You have gone full WG , buying everything so far with no idea how to even play the game.  All the gear, no idea.

 

P.s  you wouldn't know what's bad for the game if it hit you over the head. 

 

[I_come_bearing_gifts]

Hey,

 

Just played a T6 to T8 game where there were no CVs, DDs & Subs. I'm putting this replay in the archives.  

[The_Angry_Admiral]

58 minutes ago, SV_Kompresor said:

1. They replace ships in a game designed for a maximum of 12. That's why you end up with teams with completely broken composition because wg is unwilling to increase team sizes to compensate.
2. Their gameplay is completely different from the main 3 classes which makes them next to impossible to balance within the meta.
3. They're frustrating to play against.
4. Homing torps.

1: The same could be said for all the variety of cruisers and super cruisers and battleships and semi battleships we get. The MM isn't the most balanced anyway. You act like it rests on a delicate balance.

 

2: I mentioned that in my initial post. That's what happens with new things. Takes time to figure them out.

 

3: Annoyance doesn't equal broken. There are a lot of annoying things with this game. Repeatedly set on fire with no way to stop it gets annoying.

 

4: There are ways to counter this. 

[Yedwy]

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Explain why then.

Nope, I explained as much as you did - you think we exaggerate based on you experience and how you see it and based on mine I think you are wrong

[SV_Kompresor]

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

1: The same could be said for all the variety of cruisers and super cruisers and battleships and semi battleships we get.

No, because the game was made from the ground up around them and they don't deviate enough from the formula.

 

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

The MM isn't the most balanced anyway.

Which is why making it worse is good? What?

 

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

You act like it rests on a delicate balance.

You act like it doesn't.

 

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

2: I mentioned that in my initial post. That's what happens with new things. Takes time to figure them out.

CV gameplay is old. Both RTS and REWORK ones. Did we have enough time to figure out how it works yet?

 

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

3: Annoyance doesn't equal broken. There are a lot of annoying things with this same.

Correct. Annoyance equals not having fun. ei. Bad.

 

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Repeatedly set on fire with no way to stop it gets annoying.

I'm glad that subs won't do anything about DCPs *cough*

 

15 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

4: There are ways to counter this. 

True. However there aren't any good ways of doing so.

[Realazio]

399 battles, barely scratched anything in the game yet tries to justify subs....WG loves people like you

[Cippalippus]

Please do not post ever again. Thank you.

[BanzaiPiluso]

What do they bring to the game? Nothing.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

 

Have you seen the interim results of (sadly and apparently only) official WG poll regarding WoWs v0.10.9 on ASIA server?

 

"Feedback Thread for Update 0.10.9"

https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/52897-feedback-thread-for-update-0109/

 

One can only wonder why other servers don't have this...

 

Also, how can such overwhelming results be completely ignored?
 

 

 

BTW,  @ColonelPete at EU Forum created 100% mirror of that original ASIA poll:

 

"[POLL] Feedback Thread for Update 0.10.9"

https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/155451-poll-feedback-thread-for-update-0109/

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[ColonelPete]

52 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

People are really going overboard to the point of exaggeration when it comes to submarines. While I don't love them I don't hate them either. Every game I've been in the moment when a sub appears it gets depth charged into oblivion. 

 

There are two things that need to be taken into account. 

 

1: When dealing with new things people don't know how to deal with it initially so they feel like it's broken.

 

2: Really good players can take anything, especially something new, and either break the game or make things really difficult until others learn to counter it. 

 

Give it a bit of time and subs will just fall into place like everything else. BTW I can't stand Wargaming so this is not defending them just pointing something out.

Who is talking about hate, except you?

 

Players do not like them. They just do not fit the game.

WG turns every sub match into the Battle of Midway, just to make Subs playable.

[Itwastuesday]

Yeah? Every game I have been in with subs they are the last ones alive along with CV. Sometimes I see DD try to kill them only to have everybody come in their pants at the prospect of a target to actually shoot at. And antisub planes just give sub AR%

[Cippalippus]

Pretty much it should tell you something if the only people in favor of subs are you and beastofwar, a poster so bad that he is now permabanned and reacting passively-aggressively to every single post about subs, which is lol.

[tocqueville8]

To be honest, I'm not surprised by this post.

 

The last time I read the OP, he was whining that no one on his team capped, while he sailed to the corner of the map with his top-tier BB.

Clearly with that attitude subs aren't a problem, as they're someone else's problem 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

4 minutes ago, tocqueville8 said:

To be honest, I'm not surprised by this post.

 

The last time I read the OP, he was whining that no one on his team capped, while he sailed to the corner of the map with his top-tier BB.

Clearly with that attitude subs aren't a problem, as they're someone else's problem 

If you are going to complain about my post at least try and come up with a comparison that actually makes sense instead of some square peg round hole nonsense you are trying to hammer on here.