Tier 8 BB uptiered: tier X subs, CVs, DDs en Cruisers

[RamboCras]

WG,

 

Imagine you are a tier 8 BB, secondary spec and you want to play a nice game... you press battle.... the algorithm grinds and grinds and you enter the game.

 

Now you see the matchmaking, and you go.... wtf!

The game starts, everything, even cruisers can shoot from further than you, you try to get in closer and you are being pings and 6 torps come your way, there is something there you can't shoot but it can shoot you! Next a CV targets you as you turn away from the submarine, one thing is for sure, the first attack always comes through, another enemy you can't see and can't defend against.

 

You see smoke, can't be the DD can it?? Suddenly shells start to rain on your ship, it's a smoke cruiser. You immediately stop shooting and pray the DD is not spotting you. And thank god he isn't!! 20 seconds after your last volley it rains for 8-9 more seconds of what was still coming your way. You have a double fire but don't repair it in case of the DD or submarine being close or getting a lucky torp on you (he might have 20km). You stay dark till there is at least 17k between you and the smoke. More and more to the back of the map.

 

Your team is on the losing end, you try to contribute, but you keep getting pinged and thank god the CV leaves you alone for a while, the cruiser has to wait for more smoke and the BBs are leaving you alone for a bit. Your long-range dispersion is crap of course so you are super happy if you score an 8k or a 5k hit. But basically, you are dodging, running and hiding. Thank god you were dodging cause Shima torps appear, but because you were turning you only eat 2 out of the first 10, the other 5 miss completely.

 

You think to hell with it and turn in, lets at least try to get at least 1 secondary hit, make use of the skills, built and flags you carry!! The nearest BB is 15k, nose in, pray you are not pinged, torped by the DD, dakka dakka'd by the cruiser or focussed by the CV... you shoot 5k. YAY!!! 14km.. closing. Game over, your team lost.

 

13 min of gameplay, 42.967 damage dealt, 1.2 mio potential, received 66.402 damage

 

Now imagine, imagine the game was fun. You can't can you? You can imagine everything till here. That's where the game is now, there are TOO MANY elements in the game that make it NO fun.

 

The reason is simple, if all you can think up to improve the game and make money is ships with more firepower, better armour, more torps, longer-range guns to make people spend money this is where the game is going. Faithful players, with ships that used to be nice to play, having NO FUN.

[ColonelPete]

Please share the replay.

[Aethervoxx]

4 minutes ago, RamboCras said:

make people spend money

Here is your answer  (to your well illustrated  post).

[MementoMori_6030]

"Mellow greetings, sir. What seems to be your boggle?"

[MadBadDave]

1 hour ago, RamboCras said:

WG,

 

Imagine you are a tier 8 BB, secondary spec and you want to play a nice game... you press battle.... the algorithm grinds and grinds and you enter the game.

 

Now you see the matchmaking, and you go.... wtf!

The game starts, everything, even cruisers can shoot from further than you, you try to get in closer and you are being pings and 6 torps come your way, there is something there you can't shoot but it can shoot you! Next a CV targets you as you turn away from the submarine, one thing is for sure, the first attack always comes through, another enemy you can't see and can't defend against.

 

You see smoke, can't be the DD can it?? Suddenly shells start to rain on your ship, it's a smoke cruiser. You immediately stop shooting and pray the DD is not spotting you. And thank god he isn't!! 20 seconds after your last volley it rains for 8-9 more seconds of what was still coming your way. You have a double fire but don't repair it in case of the DD or submarine being close or getting a lucky torp on you (he might have 20km). You stay dark till there is at least 17k between you and the smoke. More and more to the back of the map.

 

Your team is on the losing end, you try to contribute, but you keep getting pinged and thank god the CV leaves you alone for a while, the cruiser has to wait for more smoke and the BBs are leaving you alone for a bit. Your long-range dispersion is crap of course so you are super happy if you score an 8k or a 5k hit. But basically, you are dodging, running and hiding. Thank god you were dodging cause Shima torps appear, but because you were turning you only eat 2 out of the first 10, the other 5 miss completely.

 

You think to hell with it and turn in, lets at least try to get at least 1 secondary hit, make use of the skills, built and flags you carry!! The nearest BB is 15k, nose in, pray you are not pinged, torped by the DD, dakka dakka'd by the cruiser or focussed by the CV... you shoot 5k. YAY!!! 14km.. closing. Game over, your team lost.

 

13 min of gameplay, 42.967 damage dealt, 1.2 mio potential, received 66.402 damage

 

Now imagine, imagine the game was fun. You can't can you? You can imagine everything till here. That's where the game is now, there are TOO MANY elements in the game that make it NO fun.

 

The reason is simple, if all you can think up to improve the game and make money is ships with more firepower, better armour, more torps, longer-range guns to make people spend money this is where the game is going. Faithful players, with ships that used to be nice to play, having NO FUN.

You’ve played over 22k games and you’ve only just worked out the MM is like WGs decision making; Shite 🥴.

[Ocsimano18]

You simply cannot start pushing with a T8 secondary BB in a T10 game.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 3 Minuten, Ocsimano18 sagte:

You simply cannot start pushing with a T8 secondary BB in a T10 game.

You can... but it will probably look like this:

 

[lameoll]

if only random dispersion was as good as stormtrooper aim 

[lameoll]

then dont play the game  if u are gonna suicide? or stick with coop.

 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

7 hours ago, RamboCras said:

Now imagine, imagine the game was fun. You can't can you? You can imagine everything till here. That's where the game is now, there are TOO MANY elements in the game that make it NO fun.

For the most players the whole game is about believing everything gets better in tier x. But it is not. But there is a new strong ship, a better line, so they grind for it. Up to tier x. And then it all repeats itself...

[SkollUlfr]

8 hours ago, RamboCras said:



Now imagine, imagine the game was fun. You can't can you? You can imagine everything till here. That's where the game is now, there are TOO MANY elements in the game that make it NO fun.

they havnt updated the core mechanics since launch. that is the crux of it. and its why i keep saying the ingame systems are no longer up to the task of dealing with ingame variation.

 

they could be. they just arent.

the corpos bonus for shoveling out the gimmic for the next quarter on time, takes precedence over updating the game to be able to deal with itself. which at this point might take a year in and of itself.

 

detection needs completely rebuilt to deal with and add active, passive, counter, soft and hard spotting.

dot(fire and flood) needs completely rebuilt to deal with and add inbattle nurfs to detection, accuracy, speed and agility depending on where damage is done, rather than just "hp drain go brrrr"

ai controlled guns like aa and secondaries need to be switched to a system considering angular size, traverse rate and range instead of "rng go brrr"

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

I don't get the vitriol. I am currently levelling the Albemarle. When MM throws me in a tier X game I am supposed to do what? "Do my best"? Waste 15 minutes of my life hiding behind an island? Nope. Give broadside, next match. It's just logical. If you have counterarguments, I am listening.

[Molly_Delaney]

Boldly advance up one flank thus drawing the CV and some of the DDs that way allowing your team to push the other flank with less attention.

Or just use the Autopilot to steam round some islands and into a cap; provides spotting and distracts the reds.....

Make a drink whilst this is happening or amuse your partner......

 

[RamboCras]

I got a violation point in this forum for starting a chat about the fact I play extremely aggressively straight from the start in order to start the next game sooner since 1 out of every 2 games have subs. So I would  edit my response if I were you.

 

you can be a tier X within 250 games and die like a noob within 3 min of the start but you can't do it on purpose and talk about it since that is bad for the game.

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

21 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

I don't get the vitriol. I am currently levelling the Albemarle. When MM throws me in a tier X game I am supposed to do what? "Do my best"? Waste 15 minutes of my life hiding behind an island? Nope. Give broadside, next match. It's just logical. If you have counterarguments, I am listening.

If you did not get the memo about +2MM and how to deal with it even after 9.000 games and you feel treated unfairly despite the fact you do not complain about getting -2MM and happily stomping weaker players and STILL you show your ignorance and unsportsmanship by manipulating the game for your entire team by suiciding, you should just uninstall this game and get some therapy. Honorless players like you are the cancer of this community and their learning resistance is the major reason for the bad player quality and toxicity in this franchise.

[PaxtonQuigly]

21 hours ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

I don't get the vitriol. I am currently levelling the Albemarle. When MM throws me in a tier X game I am supposed to do what? "Do my best"? Waste 15 minutes of my life hiding behind an island? Nope. Give broadside, next match. It's just logical. If you have counterarguments, I am listening.

I absolutely despise players like you, who based on matchmaking do not contribute whatsoever to the team. If every player that got up tiered did the same, the game would be dead in no time. Thanks to you and the like-minded. If you think a tier 8 cant help a tier 10 team win, then you obviously haven't mastered that ship yet. 

 

An Albemarle for example can break an enemy push when positioned right. 

Or do you think I only faced tier 6s?

 

Learn the g*ddamn game or stay the F in coop if you're such a quitter. 

Winners don't quit, quitters don't win. 

 

[johncl]

A healthy T8 at the end of a T10 battle is quite a weapon/game changer .......So relax let them lose some HP let them kill each other ...Then carry the scrubs !   

[RamboCras]

3 minutes ago, PaxtonQuigly said:

I absolutely despise players like you, who based on matchmaking do not contribute whatsoever to the team. If every player that got up tiered did the same, the game would be dead in no time. Thanks to you and the like-minded. If you think a tier 8 cant help a tier 10 team win, then you obviously haven't mastered that ship yet. 

 

An Albemarle for example can break an enemy push when positioned right. 

Or do you think I only faced tier 6s?

 

Learn the g*ddamn game or stay the F in coop if you're such a quitter. 

Winners don't quit, quitters don't win. 

 

I agree with you that in some circumstances even lower-tier ships can be important and can produce awesome games. And like there are some examples of this (awesome stats btw!) I feel there are more examples of this not being the case. With a secondary built ship, it is extremely hard to use those secondaries from cover. And being stationary as a BB with ships like a Yama with legendary skill within 25km is asking to lose 1/3 of your health in a volley as an example.

 

The essence of my post is that too often these games are absolutely no fun and isn't that while we are all playing.. to have fun?

 

 

[nerderklaus]

All classes are denied with +2MM. One of the really big game changers is that many T9 cruisers don't have a heal, but all T9/T10 cruisers have.

 

T8 vs T10 is a bad powercreep and in T10 there are the worst of the worst players meaning you can get games with allied T10 that do nothing while enemy T10 are powercreeping you.

[PaxtonQuigly]

7 minutes ago, RamboCras said:

The essence of my post is that too often these games are absolutely no fun and isn't that while we are all playing.. to have fun?

Too which I agree. It isn't fun when it happens a lot. Especially in BBs, which have a hard time either engaging or disengaging when uptiered. However, that is an entirely different narrative than "I don't like MM, so I Suicide." 

[TohtoriP]

27 minutes ago, PaxtonQuigly said:

Too which I agree. It isn't fun when it happens a lot. Especially in BBs, which have a hard time either engaging or disengaging when uptiered. However, that is an entirely different narrative than "I don't like MM, so I Suicide." 

I think BBs uptier very well. They still have battleship-grade weapons that have a lot of penetration and damage-potential. High tier cruisers still have trouble shrugging off 15 inch AP no matter how bad a platform you are driving. Also you have some armor and a heal.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

2 hours ago, RamboCras said:

I got a violation point in this forum for starting a chat about the fact I play extremely aggressively straight from the start in order to start the next game sooner since 1 out of every 2 games have subs. So I would  edit my response if I were you.

 

you can be a tier X within 250 games and die like a noob within 3 min of the start but you can't do it on purpose and talk about it since that is bad for the game.

Thanks. I don't care, though. It's the truth.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

2 hours ago, Von_Pruss said:

If you did not get the memo about +2MM and how to deal with it even after 9.000 games and you feel treated unfairly despite the fact you do not complain about getting -2MM and happily stomping weaker players and STILL you show your ignorance and unsportsmanship by manipulating the game for your entire team by suiciding, you should just uninstall this game and get some therapy. Honorless players like you are the cancer of this community and their learning resistance is the major reason for the bad player quality and toxicity in this franchise.

I am not complaining and I know very well how to deal with BS matchmaking. I play very, very aggressively and go down in a ball of flames. Am I honorless? Maybe. It's a game, though. Check your expectations.

[The_Pillager]

A very nice and lifely description of life in a lowtier BB, i admit freely ^^

 

I dare to say for myself i enjoy playing T8 and T9 more than playing T10 ships.

Why ? I am kind of having fun sitting in this underdog niche and harass hightier ships. Really ...

 

Of course, this is a more difficult task playing a BB, but as a lowtier cruiser or lowtier DD there are usually quite some chances to do damage or kills.

 

I will not complain about BB-wheenies ... there was a time, sure, but at the moment definitely it is not easy to play BB effectively at midrange or brawling. Its easier to camp back and fire a shot occasionally.

On the other hand, has it ever been easy for cruisers ? Its more dangerous at the moment with all these sniper BB then it has ever been.

And destroyers ? They relieved a bit of pressure by nerving the rocketplanes but still, the number of "power-hydro"-ships or radarships is increasing steadily.

 

So, yes, BB-brawlers might be in a tough spot right now, but somebody somehwere always is in a tough spot.

Sniper BB on the other hand are high in demand right at the moment, so lets just wait and see if all this actual crap is doing us any good.

 

@RamboCras I feel for you ... a tiny bit ... but you will get over it, promised ^^

 

 

 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

2 hours ago, PaxtonQuigly said:

I absolutely despise players like you, who based on matchmaking do not contribute whatsoever to the team. If every player that got up tiered did the same, the game would be dead in no time. Thanks to you and the like-minded. If you think a tier 8 cant help a tier 10 team win, then you obviously haven't mastered that ship yet. 

 

An Albemarle for example can break an enemy push when positioned right. 

Or do you think I only faced tier 6s?

 

Learn the g*ddamn game or stay the F in coop if you're such a quitter. 

Winners don't quit, quitters don't win. 

 

*sing song*

 

"I'm a unicum, I unicum all day. Why don't you losers all git gud and join me and then we can... unicum all day together".

 

No thanks. I am a decent player, but I have a (some) life. I will not spend it "mastering" some pixel ship so as to conform to bad matchmaking. I'll save my time and I'd suggest others do the same.

 

Not unicumz, of course. Pardon me, my Lord, for not playing the Albemarle well.