Submarines in Random Battles

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Just now, Sir_Lawrence42 said:

Well i wish people like you would not assume anything in the first place then either. Half of you dont even read each others posts it seems - i guess i just leave it then by "subs wont be gone out of randoms - like them or not - either stay or leave the game".

Ah I apologise. Maybe these forums have already been littered for years with posts about the issues you point at, and subs are simply in peoples faces right now. But thanks for stating the obvious 

[INDIFFERENT_M_PATRICK]

this version is not friendly to BBs. facing dd,ss and cv.

[SpartanFretum]

I think it was on Thursday when after work, i loged into game to play a few games. On my 2nd game (i play mostly t10s) i saw they introduced subs into randoms.  After the game, i just uninstalled the game. I had enough with Warfailing and their BS like: We value your opinion and we are listening to the community.  

[SlavicNoOb]

46 minutes ago, SpartanFretum said:

I think it was on Thursday when after work, i loged into game to play a few games. On my 2nd game (i play mostly t10s) i saw they introduced subs into randoms.  After the game, i just uninstalled the game. I had enough with Warfailing and their BS like: We value your opinion and we are listening to the community.  

Oh the drama... I think I'm going to faint
Once upon a time, some 10 years ago actually, when I quit a certain sci-fi mmo, I just stopped playing. I didn't complain on the forums, I didn't post game deletion screenshots, I didn't make youtube videos where I lament about it.. none of that.

The fact that you people are doing this suggests that your real goal is not to quit, but to threaten and pose as quitting in order to get what you want. It's called blackmail. It's kinda pathetic actually, and very immature.

[Carandraug]

2 minutes ago, dN00b said:

 It's kinda pathetic actually, and very immature.

Hear hear, the expert on that has spoken :)

[Franky76]

6 minutes ago, dN00b said:

Oh the drama... I think I'm going to faint
Once upon a time, some 10 years ago actually, when I quit a certain sci-fi mmo, I just stopped playing. I didn't complain on the forums, I didn't post game deletion screenshots, I didn't make youtube videos where I lament about it.. none of that.

The fact that you people are doing this suggests that your real goal is not to quit, but to threaten and pose as quitting in order to get what you want. It's called blackmail. It's kinda pathetic actually, and very immature.

No. What's really immature and pathetic, it is to force 96% of your playerbase to endure a new class that they tried and disliked. Majority is a key word here, just like in democracy. if 96% of players think it's a shitty add to the game, well, there is a big chance that they are right, whatever you think.

And i'm not quitting, i'm just quitting giving my money to WG. At least for now. I just hope when things settle down, there will be only 2% of games with subs.

[Tony_Official]

  A nice way to run out of Damage Control Team (USSR/Ger new BB) with Sub' sonar pings. Magic torps-ping-torps-ping to make fun, LOL.  
How about  make a Sub+CV div, enemy DDs detected easily. And ping again and again them then get in smoke. After that, magic torps incoming. What a fun way let front line DD be happy.

 

[SlavicNoOb]

1 minute ago, Tony_Official said:

  A nice way to run out of Damage Control Team (USSR/Ger new BB) with Sub' sonar pings. Magic torps-ping-torps-ping to make fun, LOL.  
How about  make a Sub+CV div, enemy DDs detected easily. And ping again and again them then get in smoke. After that, magic torps incoming. What a fun way let front line DD be happy.

 

Try playing a sub and see how it feels when a dd locates you and gets on top of you...

[Zespetjest]

10 minutes ago, dN00b said:

Oh the drama... I think I'm going to faint
Once upon a time, some 10 years ago actually, when I quit a certain sci-fi mmo, I just stopped playing. I didn't complain on the forums, I didn't post game deletion screenshots, I didn't make youtube videos where I lament about it.. none of that.

The fact that you people are doing this suggests that your real goal is not to quit, but to threaten and pose as quitting in order to get what you want. It's called blackmail. It's kinda pathetic actually, and very immature.

I wonder how much WG is paying you...

[SlavicNoOb]

1 minute ago, Franky76 said:

Oh wow ! Very polite... WG themselves stated their goal at 4 to 8% and said that accordingly to their previsions, after the first days of introducing the subs, subs players were in that bracket. Maybe you should pay more attention to what you read on the devblog.

4-8% of battles having submarines does not mean that 90% of players are against them. I guess logic is not what you're good at.

[SlavicNoOb]

1 minute ago, Do_not_give_money_to_WG said:

I wonder how much WG is paying you...

I wish they were paying me bro, I wish. Hear that WG, I'm for hire, if you need someone like me to "moderate" the forums!

[Cammo1962]

2 minutes ago, dN00b said:

logic

And you have that ??  

[Carandraug]

Just now, Cammo1962 said:

And you have taht ??  

Guys, why are you bothering to argue with a guy, who has zero clue about the game ? Let him enjoy the subs, because he needs all the help to become at least mildly effective. The perfect embodiment of a new breed of sub player, huzzah.

[SlavicNoOb]

Btw, claiming that submarines force battleships to camp is untrue. I mean maybe they do in some cases. I just had a battle where my team was camping while the enemy battleships and everyone else on their team played aggressively. They closed in on me, used BB ASW and killed me, and won the battle. 

So give me a break hahaha

[Tony_Official]

9 minutes ago, dN00b said: 9分钟前，dN00b 表示:

Try playing a sub and see how it feels when a dd locates you and gets on top of you...

尝试玩一个潜水艇，看看它的感觉如何时，一个 dd 找到你，并在你上面..。

Sorry, we make a division sub+dd+cv yesterday, every DD want get on top will sunk on the way, even sunk in area

[SlavicNoOb]

Just now, Tony_Official said:

Sorry, we make a division sub+dd+cv yesterday, every DD want get on top will sunk on the way, even sunk in area

Division is stronger in any scenario, as long as the division mates know what they're doing. You're comparing apples to oranges...

[ColonelPete]

2 hours ago, dN00b said:

4-8% of battles having submarines does not mean that 90% of players are against them. I guess logic is not what you're good at.

On Asia it is 95%...

 

Spoiler

https://forum.worldofwarships.asia/topic/52897-feedback-thread-for-update-0109/

 

 

For EU you can vote here:

 

[Luke6_31]

Submarines are awful for the gameplay. The counter to them for Cruisers and Battleships is utterly inadequate. The range on the ASW weaponry needs to be increased to equivalent to range of main battery. This would allow these classes to counter them in a similar manner as they would other ships. At the moment being forced to close the distance is disgusting and utterly ruins the gameplay for these classes.

[Smegger213]

Well, Wargaming, I warned you.

 

After playing on and off, on 2 accounts, since the closed alpha, I have finally had enough.

Your pathetic game has been un-installed.

 

No matter how much you tweak subs, you will NEVER be able to balance them fairly.

Oh and the idiot that thought it was a good idea to use a repair party to break sub sonar lock, wants firing. WHAT A DUMB IDEA!!

I actually need all my repair parties to actually heal damage.

 

Playing against subs is just a garbage pathetic experience.

NOBODY WANTS THEM IN THE GAME EXCEPT YOU WARGAMING.

 

I will NOT come back unless you remove subs from random battles.

 

BYEEEEEEEEEE

[SlavicNoOb]

[Edited]

Sure thing, voice your view. I have nothing against that. I have a problem with a minority of players posing as majority trying to dictate the direction of the development of the game.

[Smegger213]

1 minute ago, dN00b said:

Sure thing, voice your view. I have nothing against that. I have a problem with a minority of players posing as majority trying to dictate the direction of the development of the game.

Check the poll and responses on this forum thread and other forum posts about this subject.

I don't think it is a minority of players at all.

Its my view that majority of players did not want subs ever in the game.

But I am not trying to dictate to anybody about it.

 

What do players do if we hate the way Wargaming are taking the game?

It looks like you would have us all to just shut up and put up.

Well, that is not going to happen.

How do you ever expect to affect change, without giving Wargaming feedback?

I fully expect Wargaming to just ignore the negative feedback. That is their choice.

But I am pretty sure they will now have less players. Their loss, not mine.

 

[SlavicNoOb]

23 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

Check the poll and responses on this forum thread and other forum posts about this subject.

I don't think it is a minority of players at all.

Its my view that majority of players did not want subs ever in the game.

But I am not trying to dictate to anybody about it.

 

What do players do if we hate the way Wargaming are taking the game?

It looks like you would have us all to just shut up and put up.

Well, that is not going to happen.

How do you ever expect to affect change, without giving Wargaming feedback?

I fully expect Wargaming to just ignore the negative feedback. That is their choice.

But I am pretty sure they will now have less players. Their loss, not mine.

 

Not a valid poll. First of all, the people that are not actually pissed off about submarines are not very motivated to go on the forum to vote. It will be valid when WG makes everyone vote in game.

Second, the question is set up in such a way that it gives the result it gives. It should ask "do you hate submarines in random?". I don't enjoy waiting at traffic lights, but that doesn't mean I think there should be no traffic lights.

[ColonelPete]

2 minutes ago, dN00b said:

Not a valid poll. First of all, the people that are not actually pissed off about submarines are not very motivated to go on the forum to vote. It will be valid when WG makes everyone vote in game.

Second, the question is set up in such a way that it gives the result it gives. It should ask "do you hate submarines in random?". I don't enjoy waiting at traffic lights, but that doesn't mean I think there should be no traffic lights.

That is the SAME poll that was setup by a WG employee on the Asia forum....

I did not change the questions. And when you think that Subs are similar to traffic lights, then it is obvious that they do not belong into the game.

 

And yes, the poll is open to every forum user, even the ones who like Subs. Do not seem to be many.

[Smegger213]

1 minute ago, dN00b said:

Not a valid poll. First of all, the people that are not actually pissed off about submarines are no very motivated to go on the forum to vote. It will be valid when WG makes everyone vote in game.

Second, the question is set up in such a way that it gives the result it gives. It should ask "do you hate submarines in random?". I don't enjoy waiting at traffic lights, but that doesn't mean I think there should be no traffic lights.

 

It may not be an official poll. But its is an indicator to gauge player responses.

As far as the wording of the question goes.

It is EXACTLY the same wording as the survey that Wargaming want you to fill out.

So if it said "do you hate subs in random battles?". It would not make any difference. You would get generally the same answers.

 

Update to the question "Do you enjoy subs in random battles?". The answer is now 86% don't like it at all.

That's a pretty high number for sure.

[SlavicNoOb]

9 minutes ago, Smegger213 said:

 

It may not be an official poll. But its is an indicator to gauge player responses.

As far as the wording of the question goes.

It is EXACTLY the same wording as the survey that Wargaming want you to fill out.

So if it said "do you hate subs in random battles?". It would not make any difference. You would get generally the same answers.

 

Update to the question "Do you enjoy subs in random battles?". The answer is now 86% don't like it at all.

That's a pretty high number for sure.

The exact wording is VERY important. And if only the ones hating submarines vote, the result cannot be valid.

And lets say it is valid. 95% or more of the player base doesn't enjoy submarines. That would mean that you would see them in random once in a blue moon. They would be more rare than unicorns. So what is all the fuss about?

From what I have seen so far tho, people are playing them. And that right there is your true indicator of how many like them and how many do not. Of course, maybe people are just trying them out at the moment because they are a novelty, and the their actual appearance in random will go down, but that remains to be seen.