Submarines - How to make the best of a bad situation.

[Gvozdika]

So everyone is looking forward to submarines. They're brilliant. The spreadsheet said so and the spreadsheet is always right? Right? 

 

Now we as the players could tell WG to go *censored* themselves. OR we can make the introduction of subs every bit the joyous, unalloyed success that WG truly deserves....... allow me to illustrate a whole heap of things to make this happy dream a reality.

 

1) Do not under ANY circumstances notify the enemy team of where your sub players are. That would be very bad and you totally should not do that. After all, it makes it hard to hide if your own team sells you out..... regularly, consistently and without mercy.

 

2) If you are driving a sub and find yourself to be the last one left. Do not dive to max (undetectable) depth and autopilot to the corner of the map. This would cause much player frustration and extend battle times needlessly.

 

3) If you are driving a sub - you really shouldn't go deep and slowly chug along the seafloor until you reach the enemy CV. If you have a division of TWO subs that would be especially bad and you again should totally not try to duff up the most-protected class by hitting them with torps in unguided/non-ping mode. Of course now subs are the new coddled class - so you would effectively be breaking the spreadsheet by ruining the player experience of both classes. Oh no. That would be awful. Don't do that. For reference you can spec the T8/10 German subs to have a 10-minute dive capacity which allows plenty of time to traverse a typical map. I haven't tested this tactic on multiple occasions so I totally cannot vouch for it.....

 

4) Another thing you shouldn't do is hard camp in your BB, CA, CL, DD. 20km+ sniping might be a surefire way of actually avoiding submarines but there are many, many reasons why you shouldn't do it. Probably. Don't for example, play nothing but the Conqueror, Slava, Thunderer for the entirety of the sub's random debut patch. 

 

5) If you notice your sub being hounded and bombed to bits by a red DD. You DEFINITELY should not ignore the red DD until they have pulverised the sub player into a pulp. This also would be churlish and not good form. You certainly wouldn't congratulate the opposing DD for kicking the crap out of your cowardly subsurface teammate....

 

6) Refrain from insulting sub players for ruining the game. Directing vitriol, casual insults and generally regarding them as second-class citizens on the team really is not very nice. What would be appreciated is giving them regular (every 30s) advice to scout, spot and cap. Sub players will appreciate these gems of wisdom and the work of sub-driving is arduous so regular reminders will be needed.

 

7) Do not ram your sub into enemy subs to get a cheap kill. Certainly do not type 'WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE' prior to smacking headfirst into someone who is actually trying to play their little submarine like a submarine. This also would be immature and take away the joys of submarines from the team. 

 

7a) As per @Prophecy82 excellent warning to all concerned. Do not fit your (German) sub with a ramming flag to increase your chances of survival. You certainly wouldn't want to ram into two enemy subs a game would you? No. Of course not.

 

There we have it. You have a few helpful hints as to what you definitely should not do come the next patch. What other things should we definitely not do to sabotage submarines in randoms provide plenty of data and feedback? Responses below.

[PeteEarthling]

Just play convoy. The first thing a functional human brain associates with a naval convoy is "submarine", so WG won't allow them in this mode.

[Gvozdika]

Just now, PeteEarthling said:

Just play convoy. The first thing a functional human brain associates with a naval convoy is "submarine", so WG won't allow them in this mode.

Quite true.....

[Yedwy]

Telling the location of your team mate is theoretically a bannable offence and if we start doing it en masse the cuddled class might be important enough for WG to enforce it…

[Gvozdika]

8 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Telling the location of your team mate is theoretically a bannable offence and if we start doing it en masse the cuddled class might be important enough for WG to enforce it…

This is why you definitely shouldn't do it - as per the post. You'll find no encouragement at all to break the EULA or game rules whatsoever - honest guv.

 

It is just as well that there aren't ways to circumnavigate the rule. Such as telling the enemy team that a friendly sub definitely ISN'T at whatever grid reference. You aren't telling them the location of your teammate - you are in fact doing the opposite. 

[Capra76]

Alternatively just play subs and CV and try to break MM.

[Yedwy]

4 minutes ago, Capra76 said:

Alternatively just play subs and CV and try to break MM.

Alternatively there are other modes, for instance Ranked should now be trud free if they are moving “the testing” to Randoms…

[lovelacebeer]

Personally I just won’t play for that month. 

In theory if every person who has concerns about the way submarines are being forced into the game didn’t play at all (or at the very least avoided randoms from tier 5 upwards) not only would there be a measurable change to server population, but also the queue times for battles would increase. That would actually inconvenience WG and potentially make them concerned about how negatively received their new pet project was. 

Still WG know the playerbase will rollover submit to their will, and so they will carry on and ignore us.

[Gvozdika]

1 hour ago, Yedwy said:

Alternatively there are other modes, for instance Ranked should now be trud free if they are moving “the testing” to Randoms…

I strongly suspect the subs will still be in ranked also. Is convoy mode due to hang around beyond the next patch? Otherwise apart from scenarios I think every game mode will have them in.

 

Quote from the devblog: 

 

Submarine testing in Ranked Battles will continue in the 0.10.9 update. Currently, they prove themselves worthy in this type of battle. The upcoming changes will further improve their gameplay along with making it more comfortable to play against them.

[Yedwy]

Oh wow so we can “test” them in every mode except ops and training room… Brilliant

 

Maybe its time i start testing my Steam library

[U69_2020]

1 minute ago, Gvozdika said:

Currently, they prove themselves worthy in this type of battle.

I don't play ranked, and rarely PVP at all, but what I read about Ranked in general leads me to believe that even a scarab pushing a ball of dung would prove itself worthy of this type of battle. Ranked appears to be the ground zero of player incompetence, so rating submarine performance in this environment is either a joke or an error in judgement.

[Shirakami_Kon]

Honestly, the only thing WG will understand is the player numbers dropping to literal death of the game threatening levels because of this, at this point if we just try to find a way to keep playing, whatever it is WG will just interpret it as we're adapting to subs and being fine with them. After the CC exodus what the game requires now is the player exodus.

[Yedwy]

20 hours ago, SHDRKN4792 said:

Honestly, the only thing WG will understand is the player numbers dropping to literal death of the game threatening levels because of this, at this point if we just try to find a way to keep playing, whatever it is WG will just interpret it as we're adapting to subs and being fine with them. After the CC exodus what the game requires now is the player exodus.

TBH I detached myself from caring about anything in this game anymore, I played the Ranked for steel and I ll try the Randoms with truds in them, if I deem it BS at some point (which I strongly suspect will happen) or they proclaim Full success of the turds in that state I ll just uninstall and That’s all

[Verblonde]

My (far less entertaining than the OP's) approach to the introduction of submarines to Randoms:

• Give playing against them a try for as long as I can stand (my prediction is that'll be less than evening of play, based on what I know so far).
• Switch to sub-free modes and Coop (the latter is tolerable, as you can more or less ignore the damn things), if there are interesting missions that need doing.
• Go play something else until the probable initial -show has been sorted out.

This is a refinement of what I did with CVs, only this time I won't try as hard to get used to submarines - WG's recent behaviour and a couple of years of reeworked CVs have drastically lessened my tolerance.

[Aethervoxx]

Well the bad situation is how easy it is to get killed playing a Sub.

The best solution, therefore, is to figure out how to survive all the while doing your best to torp the enemy. 

The 'very best thing', ofc, would be to torpedo sink an enemy CV (those 'horrid' things).

[SodaBubbles]

I will do what I did when they used Randoms to test the idiotic ReWreck of CVs -- just go do something else. 

The game is in a horrible state right now, and subs are only going to make it worse. I expect a number of my clanmates to leave once subs appear in Randoms. WG doesn't care, sadly, about people leaving or the state of the game. 

[Puffin_]

How many players will buy premium Submarines will probably have much influence on how important or strong submarines are gonna be in this game.

[invicta2012]

29 minutes ago, Puffin_ said:

How many players will buy premium Submarines

The Premium market for submarines seems quite small, to me. I can't think of too many legendary names or ships. If you asked me to come up with a list of historically notable Destroyers that I'd take as premiums I could give you a dozen or more, but submarines? Turbulent, Upholder, Darter, Nautilus, Surcouf, U-47, U-96, er....

[Pikkozoikum]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

The Premium market for submarines seems quite small, to me. I can't think of too many legendary names or ships. If you asked me to come up with a list of historically notable Destroyers that I'd take as premiums I could give you a dozen or more, but submarines? Turbulent, Upholder, Darter, Nautilus, Surcouf, U-47, U-96, er....

Though you can also implement submarines of same class. I think there are more than enough models

[invicta2012]

Just now, Pikkozoikum said:

Though you can also implement submarines of same class. I think there are more than enough models

There are some variations available, but there's less opportunity for making interesting premiums. 

 

Nautilus has some interest because of her 6 inch guns, you could put different T class Royal Navy subs out because of their torpedo tube load out and huge DD style salvo possibilities, but the rest of the classes are (AFAIK) all quite similar. 

[Prophecy82]

Qualitiy post @Gvozdika! 

 

A small addition to point 7: You should defintely not use ram-flag on your sub since even GER subs would survive ramming an US-sub... and would be just toxic bias. 

[Gvozdika]

1 hour ago, Prophecy82 said:

Qualitiy post @Gvozdika! 

 

A small addition to point 7: You should defintely not use ram-flag on your sub since even GER subs would survive ramming an US-sub... and would be just toxic bias. 

Outstanding. Another thing I definitely will not do - that potentially means you could ram two enemy subs if you get lucky. 

 

i have amended the OP suitably.

[czstraydog]

I wil slightly adjust point 3.

 

You definitely should not go into SUB/CV division and use your CV friend to spot enemy CV for you, so you immediately know her position.

[Nov_A]

7 hours ago, invicta2012 said:

The Premium market for submarines seems quite small, to me. I can't think of too many legendary names or ships.

Thats because you dont think like the WG marketing team.

 

U-96

U-96 B

ARP U-96

AL U-96

Haiyang (Chinese New Year U-96)

 

And think of all the premium skins you could sell for the U-96!

 

 

 

[Piratenmaedchen]

Vor 7 Minuten, Nov_A sagte:

And think of all the premium skins you could sell for the U-96!

Some kinky skins, maybe...