Pobeda...what the heck?

[BanzaiPiluso]

Today I witnessed a mad battle where the enemy Pobeda ended up on top of his team on points. They guy relentlessly attacked a Buffalo without any mercy without any real consequences ot itself, and several other ships while advancing into the centre of the map as one of out flanks collapsed. He never missed as far as I remember, but that is not the issue, the issue is the speed at what that CV can have planes again in the air. 

It ended up with half its HP while our Kaga did nothing and got killed in one corner of the map without having any impact.

Are all the Russian CVs like this? Permanently having planes in the air?

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

Are you surprised about that coming from the best CVs of the greatest navy in the world?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

On 10/2/2021 at 2:06 PM, BanzaiPiluso said:

Today I witnessed a mad battle where the enemy Pobeda ended up on top of his team on points. They guy relentlessly attacked a Buffalo without any mercy without any real consequences ot itself, and several other ships while advancing into the centre of the map as one of out flanks collapsed. He never missed as far as I remember, but that is not the issue, the issue is the speed at what that CV can have planes again in the air. 

It ended up with half its HP while our Kaga did nothing and got killed in one corner of the map without having any impact.

Are all the Russian CVs like this? Permanently having planes in the air?

 

All CV's have permanenty planes in the air as far as I know right? This one simply sailed so close to the battle that his action time window got really small, which is a good trade off in principle. What I like about this is that the russian carrier hull actually took part in the battle at knife point, where the Kaga did not by sitting in a corner. This is what carrier play should have been: much higher damage volumes in exchange for being in actual gun range.

[Hopeless_Guppy]

Do the RU CVs have decent secondaries?

[Karasu_Browarszky]

 

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

1 hour ago, Europizza said:

All CV's have permanenty planes in the air as far as I know right?

Yes, but with this one is like it was immediately firing upon the cruiser. I know it was getting closer and closer but the impression is that this CV can generate wave after wave faster than others.

[MadBadDave]

2 hours ago, BanzaiPiluso said:

Today I witnessed a mad battle where the enemy Pobeda ended up on top of his team on points. They guy relentlessly attacked a Buffalo without any mercy without any real consequences ot itself, and several other ships while advancing into the centre of the map as one of out flanks collapsed. He never missed as far as I remember, but that is not the issue, the issue is the speed at what that CV can have planes again in the air. 

It ended up with half its HP while our Kaga did nothing and got killed in one corner of the map without having any impact.

Are all the Russian CVs like this? Permanently having planes in the air?

 

Are you surprised that the Russian ship in a Russian biased / managed game is OP 😱.   The “master race” is as predictable as night and day !.  Who didn’t say they’d be op “Months” before coming out.    That’s one of the Very many complaints we lodged with WG before the first ever WG apology,  op biase.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Currently grinding Serov in Aegis.

Its pretty strong.

 

Weakness is armor and broken autopilot :)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

35 minutes ago, nambr9 said:

Currently grinding Serov in Aegis.

Its pretty strong.

 

Weakness is armor and drunken autopilot :)

 

FTFY

[KillStealBoss]

2 hours ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Do the RU CVs have decent secondaries?

No. Maybe the Chkalov and Nakhimov have "something" but still very short range. 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

3 hours ago, Inappropriate_noob said:

Do the RU CVs have decent secondaries?

 

Dont think so. They are pretty paper, so not for getting close.

 

Best if you park behind an island that enemy cant get around and throw it at them :)

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 hour ago, nambr9 said:

 

Dont think so. They are pretty paper, so not for getting close.

 

Best if you park behind an island that enemy cant get around and throw it at them :)

 

... an island..

[El2aZeR]

4 hours ago, BanzaiPiluso said:

I know it was getting closer and closer but the impression is that this CV can generate wave after wave faster than others.

 

Yes, that is because RU CVs dump all their ordinance in a single attack, which allows them to cycle strikes faster.

However dumping all ordinance at once is actually a big weakness as it allows a ship to effectively mitigate damage by maneuvering whereas other CVs can negate that with a follow up attack. The alpha strike is also not very high, meaning the faster strike cycle allows RU CVs to only draw even at best with the current meta choices. And finally plane losses actually have potentially substantial effects on the damage RU CVs can deal unlike their contemporaries.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

9 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Yes, that is because RU CVs dump all their ordinance in a single attack, which allows them to cycle strikes faster.

However dumping all ordinance at once is actually a big weakness as it allows a ship to effectively mitigate damage by maneuvering whereas other CVs can negate that with a follow up attack. The alpha strike is also not very high, meaning the faster strike cycle allows RU CVs to only draw even at best with the current meta choices. And finally plane losses actually have potentially substantial effects on the damage RU CVs can deal unlike their contemporaries.

I am not very good with CVs, but I am not horrible. I've been playing the Chkalov some and I see your point. The alpha is not huge, but it seems the one-off dumping of ordnance mitigates (negates?) the usefulness of (defending) fighters. Also, thus far at least, I have not run out of planes. Damage is mediocre - around 80k - but team play is significant. What do you think as an expert?

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 8 Minuten, El2aZeR sagte:

unlike their contemporaries

While theoretically possible (Kuznetsov was commissioned in 1990 and Midway was decommissioned in 1992), the RU CV in WoWs don't have any contemporaries in the game. 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

1 minute ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

While theoretically possible (Kuznetsov was commissioned in 1990 and Midway was decommissioned in 1992), the RU CV in WoWs don't have any contemporaries in the game. 

 

On paper... everything is possible.

[El2aZeR]

1 hour ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

What do you think as an expert?

 

Chkalov has much higher alpha potential on the TBs than Pobeda and is more flexible which is what allows it to compete with current meta T8s. It's still not as good though due to:

- fairly weak early game pressure (unless you get some godlike RNG on the bombs) and has problems clawing back matches once they go awry
- has severe issues against DDs with comparatively good AA
- is ironically a meh top tier ship as it lacks quick kill options against low tier cruisers and in general anti-cruiser options are a bit lackluster
- somewhat MM dependent, it excels in BB and large cruiser heavy matches

 

Once you reach basic competence in CVs you'll basically never run out of planes anyway, RU CVs are actually slightly more forgiving in this regard as their squads are overall smaller but they retain a standard amount of reserves, meaning scrounging up a full squad is easier.

Fighters are largely useless anyway.

 

52 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

While theoretically possible (Kuznetsov was commissioned in 1990 and Midway was decommissioned in 1992), the RU CV in WoWs don't have any contemporaries in the game. 

 

I meant their ingame contemporaries ofc. 

[Marblehead_1]

 

5 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

Are you surprised that the Russian ship in a Russian biased / managed game is OP 😱.   The “master race” is as predictable as night and day !.  Who didn’t say they’d be op “Months” before coming out.    That’s one of the Very many complaints we lodged with WG before the first ever WG apology,  op biase.

oMg RuSsIaN bIaS dElEtE tHiS oMg oneoneoneone reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ?

 

Let me guess.

One nation has literally pooped from WG [edited] premiums one by one each month and big number of premiums removed due to overpowerness - perfectly ok

Other nation gets cancerous battleship which is able to set 3 fires per salvo as premium and another as tech tree - perfectly ok

Another nation gets gimmicky ship which isn't crap - oMg RuSsIaN bIaS dElEtE tHiS oMg oneoneoneone reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

 

Let me also guess. Warship with gameplay like Pobeda with different name and in different tree will be perfectly ok or maybe not?

 

[Karasu_Browarszky]

5 minutes ago, Marblehead_1 said:

 

oMg RuSsIaN bIaS dElEtE tHiS oMg oneoneoneone reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ?

 

Let me guess.

One nation has literally pooped from WG [edited] premiums each month and big number of premiums removed due to overpowerness - perfectly ok

Other nation gets cancerous battleship which is able to set 3 fires per salvo - perfectly ok

Another nation gets gimmicky ship - oMg RuSsIaN bIaS dElEtE tHiS oMg oneoneoneone

 

Let me also guess. Pobeda with different name and in different tree will be perfectly ok or maybe not?

 

 

Shènglì?

[Marblehead_1]

11 minutes ago, Karasu_Hidesuke said:

 

Shènglì?

Considering newly announced tree of PA CL's and LNY Saipan variant it's last thing which could suprised me.

[SodaBubbles]

10 hours ago, MadBadDave said:

Are you surprised that the Russian ship in a Russian biased / managed game is OP 😱.   The “master race” is as predictable as night and day !.  Who didn’t say they’d be op “Months” before coming out.    That’s one of the Very many complaints we lodged with WG before the first ever WG apology,  op biase.

Yep. That was super easy to predict. 

[Lootboxer]

But it's not OP, at least no more then the others.

It has to risk it's hull to hit damage targets.

And I like that it can't spot you for ever if your AA is weaker (especially this dumb Roosevelt is the biggest offender).

 

[Hugh_Ruka]

17 hours ago, BanzaiPiluso said:

Today I witnessed a mad battle where the enemy Pobeda ended up on top of his team on points. They guy relentlessly attacked a Buffalo without any mercy without any real consequences ot itself, and several other ships while advancing into the centre of the map as one of out flanks collapsed. He never missed as far as I remember, but that is not the issue, the issue is the speed at what that CV can have planes again in the air. 

It ended up with half its HP while our Kaga did nothing and got killed in one corner of the map without having any impact.

Are all the Russian CVs like this? Permanently having planes in the air?

 

AA was not designed to prevent the first strike. That's a direct quote from WG. And these CVs only do the first strike .... what do you think will be the result ?

[MadBadDave]

1 hour ago, Hugh_Ruka said:

AA was not designed to prevent the first strike. That's a direct quote from WG. And these CVs only do the first strike .... what do you think will be the result ?

I had 2 fighter caps up and my AA was already good (Indom) and yet Russki CV hit me for 15k, and yet Golden Lion instantly shredded non Russki planes 4 km out, next attack I kill one plane and get hit ?.

 

What does this tell us that we didn’t already know; Any new Russian ships will be op, and will be nerfed in due course (they do have to look good for the comrades 😉), that fighters are pathetic (the old RTS system for fighters was a lot better) and that AA still remains broken/erratic.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

12 hours ago, El2aZeR said:

 

Yes, that is because RU CVs dump all their ordinance in a single attack, which allows them to cycle strikes faster.

However dumping all ordinance at once is actually a big weakness as it allows a ship to effectively mitigate damage by maneuvering whereas other CVs can negate that with a follow up attack. The alpha strike is also not very high, meaning the faster strike cycle allows RU CVs to only draw even at best with the current meta choices. And finally plane losses actually have potentially substantial effects on the damage RU CVs can deal unlike their contemporaries.

Had a nice battle yesterday in my Gaede. Trap map and the enemy Chkalov started crapping on me the moment when I entered B cap. In fact, I was able to see starting the next wave right after I (tried) dodging the bounce bombs thrown at me. Gaede isn't exactly the most agile DD and being spotted all the time by the bombers didn't help any, so even when dodging every second drop or more, I still had no chance in hell to get out of the cap again after taking it.

That CV was just nicely parked behind the island south of the B cap and therefor it's planes had about zero travel time to crap on me. And the 6 (!) planes I managed to take down (at least 2 of them fighters) surely made an great impression on him...

So..

Nah, business as usual with utterly balanced russian paper napkin blueprints ships...

 

Luckily there's so many braindead potatoes playing CVs that something like this happens only every three or four battles or so... ^^