[PSA] Submarines participating in Random Battles in update 0.10.9.

[Ze_Reckless]

2 hours ago, Asatori said:

Here's an idea for WG.

 

Leave the depth charges, since we obviously enjoy dropping them, but remove the submarines.

 

I think this solution will leave everyone satisfied. 

Better yet, turn the depth charges upside down and let us use them as flak against planes. Oh wait, that would be a form of counterplay. Nevermind then. 

[Pedro_McCloud]

3 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

If someone shoots you with a gun... are you blaming the gun shop owner who offered and sold it to him, or the dude who bought it and decided to shoot you?

I guess you will be negging everyone on the team then.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, Pedro_McCloud sagte:

I guess you will be negging everyone on the team then.

Of course not. I simply avoid games where I would meet submarines.

[Pedro_McCloud]

Just now, MementoMori_6030 said:

Of course not. I simply avoid games where I would meet submarines.

Is there a way to do this? I'm just curious. I'm actually not bothered if Subs come to the game or not to be honest.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, Pedro_McCloud sagte:

Is there a way to do this? I'm just curious. I'm actually not bothered if Subs come to the game or not to be honest.

Sure. T1-  T4 are safe... as long as WG do not experience an epiphany and recognize that submarines (T6+) predate aircraft carriers (T4+) as regular naval branches, and not vice versa.

[Pikkozoikum]

10 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

If someone shoots you with a gun... are you blaming the gun shop owner who offered and sold it to him, or the dude who bought it and decided to shoot you?

and if someone cuts you with a sword (Cruiser) or detonates a grenade (BB) aside you, then it's okay, because it's not a gun (submarine)? :)

 

I don't think that example really works^^

 

A better example would be a shooting range and a shooting tournement. And the organizer of the tournements allows different weapons. Now you could blame the organizer for allowing a specific weapon or annoy someone, who goes with the rules of allowed weapons.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 2 Minuten, Pikkozoikum sagte:

I don't think that example really works^^

Of course it works. If I face the same classes which I play, there is a relative parity in arms and reciprocity of threat levels. CV and sub players choose to break this balance, so they are to blame.

[Pikkozoikum]

1 minute ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Of course it works. If I face the same classes which I play, there is a relative parity in arms and reciprocity of threat levels. CV and sub players choose to break this balance, so they are to blame.

It connote, that killing you with different weapons (not guns) would be okay in the same way it's okay, if someone uses a different ship (not submarines) That's why the example makes no sense to me.

What you write there has not really something to do with the analogy of a gun owner ^^

 

 

[BoxOfAngryBees]

19 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Of course it works. If I face the same classes which I play, there is a relative parity in arms and reciprocity of threat levels. CV and sub players choose to break this balance, so they are to blame.

game mechanics allow this - hate the mechanics, not the players, son.

griefers grief because they can, gankers gank because lulz - CSGO AWP mains are AWP mains because babyface. This thread isn't 16 pages long because players are crap, they just B human - its 16 pages long because the mechanics allow and even encourage bbq gameplay - which is why this is 16 pages long.

 

edit: sorry for the weirdness, running a high fever right now and should be in bed x)

[Deckeru_Maiku]

10 hours ago, MortuaEst_1 said:

You make no sense. CVs and subs are in perfect safety 90 % of the match. Rock-paper-scissors is for BBs-CAs-DDs, subs and CVs don't follow this rules. There is no class that counters them and they can attack without risking themselves.

It's Rock/Paper/Scissors for BBs/DDs/Cruisers and

Snake/Spock for CVs and Subs...

 

7 hours ago, Zigiran said:

Will the answer be posted here in this topic (that is getting very, very long) or in a dev blog / news article?

Anybody really expecting this thread lasting another week before it get locks because reasons?

So anybody REALLY expecting any answer?

 

36 minutes ago, Ze_Reckless said:

Better yet, turn the depth charges upside down and let us use them as flak against planes. Oh wait, that would be a form of counterplay. Nevermind then. 

Better yet, make CVs carry only sub-surface radar/sonar planes to detect subs and depth charge bombers... then they can something positive for the team and keep it secure from subs...

 

17 minutes ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

...

Don't, Boss... please, just don't... it's not worth the effort to hit the keys...

[SodaBubbles]

3 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

and if someone cuts you with a sword (Cruiser) or detonates a grenade (BB) aside you, then it's okay, because it's not a gun (submarine)? :)

 

I don't think that example really works^^

 

A better example would be a shooting range and a shooting tournement. And the organizer of the tournements allows different weapons. Now you could blame the organizer for allowing a specific weapon or annoy someone, who goes with the rules of allowed weapons.

If you choose to play a CV or a sub, toxic griefer mechanics, it makes you a toxic griefer. That simple. No one holds a gun to the heads of sub or CV drivers and forces them to hurt others and reduce their game enjoyment. 

Toxic griefer mechanics are a sure sign that a type is incompatible with the game. If you have to give subs cheat torps just to make them competitive, you've conceded that you have failed and subs dont fit. 

[Aethervoxx]

I already have a Ger & US Cpt  with several unassigned skill points waiting for Subs in Random Battles.

I wasn't going to waste that much time grinding a Sub Cpt with actual Sub play, although, I did try them out.

I've decided to limit my Sub play to T6. I can hardly wait to eventually see the Ru superior Subs.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 8 Stunden, Deckeru_Maiku sagte:

Snake/Spock for CVs and Subs...

Flying Lizard and Invisible Spock

[Tanaka_15]

11 hours ago, Pikkozoikum said:

A better example would be a shooting range and a shooting tournement. And the organizer of the tournements allows different weapons. Now you could blame the organizer for allowing a specific weapon or annoy someone, who goes with the rules of allowed weapons.

A way better would be like this:

There is a shooting turnement, people are competing and so one. And you bomb the place from a plane and say "i win". :) 

[Procrastes]

12 hours ago, Deckeru_Maiku said:

Better yet, make CVs carry only sub-surface radar/sonar planes to detect subs and depth charge bombers... then they can something positive for the team and keep it secure from subs...

A spiffing idea! 

 

The current situation, where CV:s can hardly even make effective attack runs on submarines, and submarines are unable to deal any damage of consequence to flooding-impervious, ping-impervious CV:s, is so nauseatingly skewed that my moral sense gets vertigo... 

[Shaka_D]

13 hours ago, Redcap375 said:

People enjoy dropping deapth charges....

To be honest, I thInk most depth charges are dropped at random when the game begins or because a player feels like it, and not when actually chasing a sub. I do this for gits and shiggles. If WG are simply looking at numbers of DC's dropped, then the measurement would not reflect their use in the correct situation and be grossly inflated.

 

On another note, can you imagine the potential for premium subs...a whole new revenue stream for WG. Given this, we may as well accept they're here to stay. Resisitance in this regard may well be futile, though could well at least force changes that might make you happier, so don't give up. I personally wouldn't mind, as long as it's relatively balanced - which in itself is massively contentious because what constitutes good balance?

 

 

 

[anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy]

3 minutes ago, Shaka_D said:

To be honest, I thnk most depth charges are dropped at random when the game begins or because a player feels like it, and not when actually chasing a sub. If WG are simply looking at numbers of DC's dropped, then the measurement would not reflect their use in the correct situation and be grossly inflated.

It is a gaslighting argument they are bringing similar to the farming of detonations flags era. Who in their right mind would use the fact that a certain weapon type is being brought against something as an argument that the class being attacked with it is actually wanted in the game? WG is still trying to fool us wherever they can, again. And its the CMs and communication staff that either actually believe such nonsense or is actively and willingly spreading misleading information in order to calm the waters and justify bad decisions. In the end, all that matters to WG is not how to enrich the gameplay, but how to use subs to generate more money, nothing else.

[MementoMori_6030]

Vor 1 Minute, Von_Pruss sagte:

It is a gaslighting argument

Me: Uses a toilet whenever nature calls.

WG: You like to sh*t because you are using a toilet!

[Faceoff]

Love the subs, best thing since radar made it into game.

[Shaka_D]

1 minute ago, Von_Pruss said:

It is a gaslighting argument they are bringing similar to the farming of detonations flags era. Who in their right mind would use the fact that a certain weapon type is being brought against something as an argument that the class being attacked with it is actually wanted in the game? WG is still trying to fool us wherever they can, again. And its the CMs and communication staff that either actually believe such nonsense or is actively and willingly spreading misleading information in order to calm the waters and justify bad decisions. In the end, all that matters to WG is not how to enrich the gameplay, but how to use subs to generate more money, nothing else.

Money is obviously first and foremost on their agenda, especially when they become more corporate and lose that 'small developer' community-oriented personality they all begin with. Anything they implement nowadays, especially if as contentious as subs, is only going to be greeted with huge resistance because the trust relationship between WG and many players has been severely eroded. So nothing they say, whether sincere or not, will be readily accepted because they've betrayed that trust on numerous occasions in the past.

[Lexxmac]

I have been playing this Game for quite some Time now, and i really like it still after 3 years.

I spent Money in it even i didnt have to because i liked to play it a lot and have no problem spendung some on things i like (still no whale by any means but some Ships and Premium Time)

Even i hated CV´s right from the start i continued playing even in my oppinion it made the Game much worse since u basicaly cant defend agains airstrikes and usually you cant even see or hit the Cv till the Game is decided...

 

Now you bring up another Class that brings absolutley nothing positive to the Game its no fun playing against a Sub the asw is like "ok from now on you cant shoot or hurt DD´s you can only ram them (but they are faster than you)

So its really hard to understand that you dont bring a "Special" Gamemode where you put that S. in and see if you can make it work and People enjoy it.

No you know that its absolute BS and nobody would play it so you still think its a good Idea to just force it on everyone???????

 

You have driven away most of the "Good" Players already so everyday i play i see that at least 70% of People in Matches are total Noobs or Braindeads that still cant play the Game after 10k Battles so its really really hard to get much enjoyment out of it.

 

But since you just dont care about what we say,         Boycott is probably the only Language you speak so i guess i will take a break from the Game with the Sub Patch and i really hope a lot of People follow me and 

Maybe just Maybe we can show them that they definitly loose more Players that gain Players with SUb`S

 

So PLAYERS UNITE AND TAKE AT LEAST A 1 WEEK BREAK FROM THE GAME WHEN SUBS COME OUT !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

4 minutes ago, Lexxmac said:

So PLAYERS UNITE AND TAKE AT LEAST A 1 WEEK BREAK FROM THE GAME WHEN SUBS COME OUT !!!!!!!!!!!

I'll take like 9 months, same as when the new CVs were implemented. Missed the game but saved money and mental health.

[MementoMori_6030]

Gerade eben, BanzaiPiluso sagte:

I'll take like 9 months

Pregnancy? 

[Cammo1962]

1 hour ago, MementoMori_6030 said:

Pregnancy? 

[Cirno9999]

popcorn anyone ?