Purchases getting nerfed. Is that a thing?

[ZeuSueZ1337]

Soooo, in development blog 217 there is a worrying/interesting paragraph that I wanna address:

 

Other News & Changes

The availability, price, and characteristics of some signals and camouflages were changed:

(...)

We work on the separation of exterior elements (e.g. camouflages, signals) from the economic bonuses. The aforementioned changes of availability and the characteristics of camouflages and signals are just a part of that big change. We shall share more detailed information later."

 

The part that's underlined is what worries me.

For me this is typical WG-newsspeak to prime us for when they remove* the post-battle service discount from perma skins for t8-t9-tX ships.

Perma skins that for the most part was purchased with doubloons/real money.

 

 

I have a handful of LMU/UU that got nerfed into the ground when these was reworked** but on the other hand I do not own say either Atlanta or Smolensk that commander rework effectively made useless.

 

So the question; how often, if ever, has WG nerfed skins/ships/modules that we the player base has purchased for doubloons/real money?

 

 

**) Admittedly this is just a guess at this time....

**) Nerfed.

[fumtu]

10 minutes ago, ZeuSueZ1337 said:

Smolensk that commander rework effectively made useless.

 

Lol, believing that Smolensk is useless after commander rework.

[Yedwy]

Well if they nerf the permaflages without giving the gold back they can just as well start the game shutdown procedure...

[ZeMalm]

13 minutes ago, ZeuSueZ1337 said:

So the question; how often, if ever, has WG nerfed skins/ships/modules that we the player base has purchased for doubloons/real money?

Well quite often, but through "general changes" (looking at you Blys) or changes in Meta, or just introducing new ships that makes the old ones obsolete. 

[ZeMalm]

I really used to love this game, but I am afraid it will soon be sleeping with Luca Brasi.

[ZeuSueZ1337]

3 minutes ago, fumtu said:

Lol, believing that Smolensk is useless after commander rework.

Fair point. This was a grose excaturation but we can agree that the commander rework did infact nerf the Smolensk (and Atlanta) somewhat or even more?

[PeteEarthling]

6 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

Well if they nerf the permaflages without giving the gold back they can just as well start the game shutdown procedure...

If I had any T9 or T10 silver ships, I would sell them immediately and never play those tiers again if they remove the economic bonus from bought permacamos.

Fortunately, I stopped grinding at T8 and have since sold all silver ships due to the commander rework anyway.

[Yedwy]

3 minutes ago, PeteEarthling said:

If I had any T9 or T10 silver ships, I would sell them immediately and never play those tiers again if they remove the economic bonus from bought permacamos.

Fortunately, I stopped grinding at T8 and have since sold all silver ships due to the commander rework anyway.

Its not only about T9/10 there are lots of us that have lower tier permaflages as well for regrinding the RB lines and on ships that we like or at least liked enough n the past, OFC the permaflages were bought in large part because of the economic bonus (XP) and not just to save 22500 silver...

 

Not to mention they sell those for hard cash in lootboxes and such as well

[Maris_Piper]

It's just Wargaming being Wargaming there's not one low trick in their inventory  that would suprise me, Mouthing platitudes and pretending to have changed whilst just being their usual Selves, Why is anyone shocked tbh. Wargaming-EA- B Lizzard all the same 

[PeteEarthling]

6 minutes ago, Yedwy said:

there are lots of us that have lower tier permaflages as well for regrinding the RB lines and on ships that we like or at least liked enough n the past, OFC the permaflages were bought in large part because of the economic bonus (XP)

Valid points, but I can only speak from my POV, and if I would buy permacamos, it would serve the purpose to be able to afford playing, not to speed up progressing or gaining wealth. If a ship can no longer sustain itself due to high maintenance cost, forcing me to play modes I don't want to play etc., I won't play it anymore. I am not interested in gaining XP or credits because I am satisfied with what I have, else I would be annoyed, too.

[Aragathor]

Well, the more I think about it, the more I see two possible options:

 

Smart solution - Perma camo is split between the optic element and the economic benefit. You buy both, but the benefit stays on and you can select any skin you want to display on the ship.

 

Dumb solution - you keep the optic element while WG removes the economic benefit.

 

Knowing how WG is dumb and greedy, the second option will most likely apply. And this will kill perma camos permanently, because who the hell buys a skin for 5000 dubs just for show in this game.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

WG announces permaflage rework. Community holds breath. WG announces new permaflages nerf but old permaflages will keep their value. Community goes bezerk buys permaflages even for ships no one ever plays before nerf takes effect. WG: profit.

[meuhbat]

What they want to do is separate the camos visuals from the bonuses, or give the choice between several camos that give the same bonuses. That is exactly what they did by transforming the type 1 and 2 camos and giving them the type 5 bonuses. So all your stock of type 1 and 2 is actually buffed to a more expensive camo bonuses.

[fumtu]

26 minutes ago, ZeuSueZ1337 said:

Fair point. This was a grose excaturation but we can agree that the commander rework did infact nerf the Smolensk (and Atlanta) somewhat or even more?

 

First I am not linking Atlanta here because Atlanta did suffer significantly from, CV rework, IFHE rework and commander reword and that is undeniable. Especially state of her AA is sad as it was sell as a AA cruiser, and I think it is even sell as such now.

 

But Smolensk, while both IFHE rework and commander rework brought nerfs to the ship, was such a stupid ship in the first place that after all those reworks, that indeed did impact its preformace, is still very powerful and definitely very far from being useless. It definitely needed range nerf as 19km+ range on that ship was stupid af. 

[VenividiviciNL]

To me it seems WeeGee is looking for other ways to monetize their business as the ones we know sofar have been bashed by the players. Look for example the so called "birthday" gift: it is nothing else to get your permission to spam the hell out of you with personal offers, by granting you a 100% cashback on your purchase once a year, but it REOPENS our wallets for that! The wallets we had closed for their practices, you know.....

 

Great adjustment ingame again WeeGee, but not the proper one AGAIN!

[ihan_paras_nimi]

I fully support this change. WG has to make money somehow and selling silver is better option than lootboxes.

[WorthyOpponent]

1 hour ago, Aragathor said:

Well, the more I think about it, the more I see two possible options:

 

Smart solution - Perma camo is split between the optic element and the economic benefit. You buy both, but the benefit stays on and you can select any skin you want to display on the ship.

 

Dumb solution - you keep the optic element while WG removes the economic benefit.

 

Knowing how WG is dumb and greedy, the second option will most likely apply. And this will kill perma camos permanently, because who the hell buys a skin for 5000 dubs just for show in this game.

 

I'm not sure how many people were affected, but remember what their response was to Moskva perma camo owners when they did the split and gave the camo for free to everyone? It was something like "You paid to grind credits and you already did enough. We're not taking anything we're just giving it to everyone. There are no refunds." 

 

 

[Yedwy]

2 hours ago, meuhbat said:

What they want to do is separate the camos visuals from the bonuses, or give the choice between several camos that give the same bonuses. That is exactly what they did by transforming the type 1 and 2 camos and giving them the type 5 bonuses. So all your stock of type 1 and 2 is actually buffed to a more expensive camo bonuses.

Thats not what that post says

[Aragathor]

14 minutes ago, WorthyOpponent said:

 

I'm not sure how many people were affected, but remember what their response was to Moskva perma camo owners when they did the split and gave the camo for free to everyone? It was something like "You paid to grind credits and you already did enough. We're not taking anything we're just giving it to everyone. There are no refunds." 

 

 

Yeah, I fully suspect WG to dab on people who bought perma camos before. They will screw us over again.

And then wonder why the community hates them and sees them as greedy liars.

[Ubertron_X]

2 hours ago, meuhbat said:

What they want to do is separate the camos visuals from the bonuses, or give the choice between several camos that give the same bonuses.

IF and only if done correctly this is a change I could easily tolerate, e.g. just having different sliders which bonus to use in conjuction with which camo. Effectively this could easily be achieved by just "decoupling" of bonus and form. For example slider 1 could be bonusses and slider 2 could be actual camo used.

 

For example under the current system I will never use any other camo for my Tirpitz than the Tarnanstrich, simply because this camo offers the best set of bonusses.

 

Spoiler

 

 

However under a new and "decoupled" system I could finally consider using the Magnu-S camo while still receiving the Tarnanstrich benefits.

 

Spoiler

 

However the statement above is only talking about economic bonusses, so lets see how they mess this up this time.

[arttuperkunas]

2 hours ago, Europizza said:

WG announces permaflage rework. Community holds breath. WG announces new permaflages nerf but old permaflages will keep their value. Community goes bezerk buys permaflages even for ships no one ever plays before nerf takes effect. WG: profit.

See, they're doing the impossible - making those destination containers seem like a good deal. I think we cracked this one old chap.

[Ubertron_X]

Lets just separate 5k doubloons, bwahahahahahahahahahaa *evil laugh*

 

[Cippalippus]

3 hours ago, ZeuSueZ1337 said:

...Smolensk that commander rework effectively made useless.

[Verblonde]

4 hours ago, Aragathor said:

Well, the more I think about it, the more I see two possible options:

 

Smart solution - Perma camo is split between the optic element and the economic benefit. You buy both, but the benefit stays on and you can select any skin you want to display on the ship.

 

Dumb solution - you keep the optic element while WG removes the economic benefit.

 

Knowing how WG is dumb and greedy, the second option will most likely apply. And this will kill perma camos permanently, because who the hell buys a skin for 5000 dubs just for show in this game.

This is pretty much exactly where my thought process had got to as well.

 

I imagine WG want the WOWS economy to more closely resemble that of WOT, where silver is a *lot* harder to come by...

 

Regarding permaflage, it's worth noting that the WOT equivalent costs the same regardless of tier, but has no economic bonuses. Were WG to move towards the WOT model without compensating existing permaflage owners, it would be unconscionable. I hope that WG go with Aragathor's first option, but I expect they'll go for the second, given previous form.

[Yedwy]

There are no 2 options of their camo handling lads, they clearly stated what they are working on - separating visual elements from economy, meaning in time there wont be any camos with economy bonuses anymore, at least not expendable ones, the permaflages question remains to be seen but following the WG pattern from the past they will just change them and claim a) you had time to use them and "get your moneys worth" or b) you can get the gold in game so you didnt really need to spend anything ergo you are not entiteled to a refund (even in dubs) and that means no purchases of any kind under any circumstance can be made as they are utterly not to be trusted ergo game is over in few months, the WG marketing dept that thinks their "quick in and out" like policy that is so beloved in the mobile app world will keep their income levels on a pc game must be smoking some hard stuff indeed...