bloodynicknames Players 557 posts 16,824 battles Report post #1 Posted September 28, 2021 I guess on top of CVs being able to sit safely the back of the map it REALLY needed that deck armor to make them idiot proof, right ? 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_cwVecOS6ecVy Players 2,021 posts Report post #2 Posted September 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, bloodynicknames said: I guess on top of CVs being able to sit safely the back of the map it REALLY needed that deck armor to make them idiot proof, right ? Being idiot-proof is the sole purpose of CVs. Not that a lot of players benefit from it, but the player quality nowadays is another question. 6 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #3 Posted September 28, 2021 Well..... FDR had an armoured flight deck irl Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodynicknames Players 557 posts 16,824 battles Report post #4 Posted September 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Von_Pruss said: Being idiot-proof is the sole purpose of CVs. Not that a lot of players benefit from it, but the player quality nowadays is another question. well, biggest issue is still spotting. before that game above I had a kaga that just kept throwing planes at me in the mino. he did maybe 1k damage in total but the spotting hurt a lot more ... and its even worse with FDR, luckily the guy shown above was a complete potato, unlucky for me my team was even bigger potatoes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodynicknames Players 557 posts 16,824 battles Report post #5 Posted September 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Camperdown said: Well..... FDR had an armoured flight deck irl and planes had limited fuel, visions on targets didnt just magically appear for all ships in the fleet, radar and hydro didnt pass through islands, planes didnt magically survive flying through flak bursts...what was your point again ? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #6 Posted September 28, 2021 44 minutes ago, bloodynicknames said: and planes had limited fuel, visions on targets didnt just magically appear for all ships in the fleet, radar and hydro didnt pass through islands, planes didnt magically survive flying through flak bursts...what was your point again ? That irl FDR had an armoured deck What were you shooting with? A cruiser? 6 or 8 inch shells should bounce on that armoured deck. There are many other ways to fix CVs that are closer to reality. F.e.: as far as I know CVs don't manufacture planes during battle 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NMA] Prophecy82 Players 3,362 posts 26,028 battles Report post #7 Posted September 28, 2021 Your 3 full-pens are still an EULA-violation. 1 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #8 Posted September 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Camperdown said: That irl FDR had an armoured deck What were you shooting with? A cruiser? 6 or 8 inch shells should bounce on that armoured deck. There are many other ways to fix CVs that are closer to reality. F.e.: as far as I know CVs don't manufacture planes during battle I'm literally counting seconds here waiting for one of the usual suspects to bring up DD torp reloads. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #9 Posted September 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said: I'm literally counting seconds here waiting for one of the usual suspects to bring up DD torp reloads. Well they did idiot proof naval gunnery in the game so that it is easier for players to use them guns. God knows what would happen if players had to do it the way they did in WW2. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #10 Posted September 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, pra3y said: Well they did idiot proof naval gunnery in the game so that it is easier for players to use them guns. God knows what would happen if players had to do it the way they did in WW2. I have trouble imagining how you could make a fun, arcade-y game out of that though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #11 Posted September 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, pra3y said: Well they did idiot proof naval gunnery in the game so that it is easier for players to use them guns. God knows what would happen if players had to do it the way they did in WW2. Battles during hours or days 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OGHF2] Hugh_Ruka Players 4,054 posts 5,647 battles Report post #12 Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Camperdown said: Well..... FDR had an armoured flight deck irl nobody disputes that, but being immune to fires compounds the problem ... no clue what the OP was driving, but small caliber guns can at least resort to fires against armored targets. not so much with CVs.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvin87 Players 269 posts 3,656 battles Report post #13 Posted September 28, 2021 Well, I've seen even Yamato shells ricochet on Tier8 CVs ... soo.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,269 battles Report post #14 Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, bloodynicknames said: I guess on top of CVs being able to sit safely the back of the map it REALLY needed that deck armor to make them idiot proof, right ? Well you have 3 pens, cvs need buffs. And yeach i often see a CV ricochet 460mm AP shell of Yama. Just CVs are not beeing balanced CVs are Balance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harvin87 Players 269 posts 3,656 battles Report post #15 Posted September 28, 2021 I've never understood WG fetiche obsession with CV's. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #16 Posted September 28, 2021 59 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said: I have trouble imagining how you could make a fun, arcade-y game out of that though. I guess it would become more like UA:D? I'll become a more niche game and get rid of the casuals and potatos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #17 Posted September 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, pra3y said: I guess it would become more like UA:D? I'll become a more niche game and get rid of the casuals and potatos. Different folks, different strokes. Personally I'm more or less OK with the balance of aracade vs historical flavour that we used to have. What I'm not ok with is the present obsession of the devs to on the one hand simplify core systems, and on the other hand to add gimmick bloat with every new ship line/premium. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pra3y Players 3,021 posts 11,390 battles Report post #18 Posted September 28, 2021 1 minute ago, arttuperkunas said: Different folks, different strokes. Personally I'm more or less OK with the balance of aracade vs historical flavour that we used to have. What I'm not ok with is the present obsession of the devs to on the one hand simplify core systems, and on the other hand to add gimmick bloat with every new ship line/premium. I guess as the game continues to run as a live service, it'll just unfortunately turn into a monster like you've mentioned to either attract new players or retain certain groups of the playerbase through their interest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bloodynicknames Players 557 posts 16,824 battles Report post #19 Posted September 28, 2021 43 minutes ago, Hugh_Ruka said: nobody disputes that, but being immune to fires compounds the problem ... no clue what the OP was driving, but small caliber guns can at least resort to fires against armored targets. not so much with CVs.... minotaur doesnt get explody shells, its pita to deal with CVs with minos shell arcs from any distance beyond 12km Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #20 Posted September 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, bloodynicknames said: minotaur doesnt get explody shells, its pita to deal with CVs with minos shell arcs from any distance beyond 12km You annoy them with your silver shower so they feed you xp (planes) in badly executed panic drops. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MUMMY] rage1750 Players 824 posts 11,400 battles Report post #21 Posted September 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Von_Pruss said: Being idiot-proof is the sole purpose of CVs. Not that a lot of players benefit from it, but the player quality nowadays is another question. I have been here since closed beta. I would class myself as an above average potat in most craft. Stick me in a CV and you would guess that I labotomised myself with a crayon many years ago Just saying you can have some old potats here too - points to myself as proof - BOOO CVS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #22 Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Harvin87 said: I've never understood WG fetiche obsession with CV's. Sunk cost fallacy 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Camperdown Players 2,501 posts 17,258 battles Report post #23 Posted September 28, 2021 2 hours ago, arttuperkunas said: I'm literally counting seconds here waiting for one of the usual suspects to bring up DD torp reloads. There is one important difference between CVs and DDs. Can you guess which? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SUOLA] arttuperkunas Players 1,963 posts 10,936 battles Report post #24 Posted September 28, 2021 25 minutes ago, Camperdown said: There is one important difference between CVs and DDs. Can you guess which? I dunno, tell me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-RNR-] Tanaka_15 Beta Tester 2,514 posts 20,269 battles Report post #25 Posted September 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, arttuperkunas said: I dunno, tell me? dds are beeing balanced by CVs woriking as intendet or somthing:D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
