Is it worth buying De Zeven Provincien for 9000 doubloons?

[Ocsimano18]

I missed a couple of weeks of grinding. Does it worth spendiing 9000 doubloons to get the D7P? I still have a week, but there are 12 stages missing, I can realistically grind 6 and buy 6.

[Aethervoxx]

 Only if you really have to have it  & have no problem  with forking over money to WG.

(for me, I don't need it & I certainly will not spend money on WG products * considering what I think WG has ruined   in WoWS)

* I would buy   a 'dedicated clan flag slot'  if they ever offer 'that'.

[Ocsimano18]

1 minute ago, Aethervoxx said:

 Only if you really have to have it  & have no problem  with forking over money to WG.

(for me, I don't need it & I certainly will not spend money on WG products * considering what I think WG has ruined   in WoWS)

* I would buy   a 'dedicated clan flag slot'  if they ever offer 'that'.

I have 20k doubloons, I bought some a year ago and did not see anything worthwhile to spend on. I also opened several thousands from supercontainers, and farmed some in ranked. The question is, if D7P worth spending? Or shall I wait for something better?

[Cyclops_]

2 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I have 20k doubloons, I bought some a year ago and did not see anything worthwhile to spend on. I also opened several thousands from supercontainers, and farmed some in ranked. The question is, if D7P worth spending? Or shall I wait for something better?

Plenty of better ships going for Doubloons, especially if tied in with a discount coupon.

[dommo77]

Best grind as much as you can for the remaining of the dockyard and near the end see what the cost would be to complete it. One thing to consider - dockyard ships will not likely to be obtainable in the future, not anytime soon anyway, and ships in Armory for dubs you can buy whenever you want. If you're a collector than maybe it is worth it, or maybe if you're a cruiser main and you'll play her from time to time, or if you want to have a cap trainer for Dutch line. 

[ColonelPete]

33 minutes ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I missed a couple of weeks of grinding. Does it worth spendiing 9000 doubloons to get the D7P?

Nope. She is nothing special and the Dutch cruisers in general lack firepower.

[Camperdown]

I am Dutch and did not want to spend 4K on her.

[Chaoskraehe]

In my opinion, the Zeven is the worst T8 ship in the game, so i can't recommend it.

 

No defense, garbage guns, 203mm upwards just knock your guns out with almost every hit, airstrike is a joke. 

AA is good, but thats it.

[KillStealBoss]

35 minutes ago, Chaoskraehe said:

In my opinion, the Zeven is the worst T8 ship in the game, so i can't recommend it.

 

No defense, garbage guns, 203mm upwards just knock your guns out with almost every hit, airstrike is a joke. 

AA is good, but thats it.

Are you sure? Ochakov exists and 7 Provinces is way better than that. I can say that I'm playing it more like quasi Atlanta . The only thing really lacking in it is the hydro. Having did concealment you can position better and can heal up some hp. Ochakov has way more flat arcs so can't be used near islands at all. The 3 squad airstrike (of you learn how to use it and when to use it) is quiet ok. Idk but I'm not feeling that this ship is bad, it's better than not only Ochakov on T8 but also Anchorage or Belfast '43, not to mention the Tiger '59. I had good results on that ship, 2 times for a kraken (one of them was a carry). 

[Miscommunication_dept]

I’ve played three battles in it.

I really don’t like it.

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 13 Minuten, MacArthur92 sagte:

Are you sure? Ochakov exists and 7 Provinces is way better than that. I can say that I'm playing it more like quasi Atlanta . The only thing really lacking in it is the hydro. Having did concealment you can position better and can heal up some hp. Ochakov has way more flat arcs so can't be used near islands at all. The 3 squad airstrike (of you learn how to use it and when to use it) is quiet ok. Idk but I'm not feeling that this ship is bad, it's better than not only Ochakov on T8 but also Anchorage or Belfast '43, not to mention the Tiger '59. I had good results on that ship, 2 times for a kraken (one of them was a carry). 

I have more fund and better results with Ochakov. In the 1:1 brawl, ochakov also shined. 

 

My Problem with the airstrikes isn't the aiming. It is the very low damage together with the reload times, but with all ships. I hade some rare 12k hits with De Witt, but most times (with the silver ships and also the Zeven) there are few hits, even when the ship is perfectly in the attack zone and/or many non pens. I also don't fear Airstrikes when playing against Zeven and her sister, i don't even try to escape anymore because the damage is so low most of the times. 

But, that is my opinion, if you do well with her it is fine. For me it is garbage (but i don't have Tiger, maybe she is even worse).

[invicta2012]

7 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

Are you sure? Ochakov exists and 7 Provinces is way better than that.

Ochakov is very fragile but it does have better alpha. DZP lacks alpha and carry potential. It's an interesting ship to play and a good trainer for the Dutch line but they are very, very limited ships, and it shows at Tier VIII where you often don't get good results with any of her weapons.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

No. Keep your doubloons for something better.

[KratosTheUnforgiving]

Hell no, take the freebies and run like mad, WarGreedy know the ship sucks, like the majority of Dutch line !

[tocqueville8]

2 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

The question is, if D7P worth spending? Or shall I wait for something better?

Imho she's barely worth spending 9k dubs, unless you're Dutch or something.

Then again, I have a policy not to buy T8 premiums without a coupon, so your mileage may vary.

 

Basically, she's a tough ship to carry games with, due to poor DPM (33% less than a Cleveland) and utility (no radar, not even hydro). She's at the bottom for me, among T8 cruisers, for average kills per match, so her impact is somewhat limited.

 

She's still fun to play, between the speed boost and the fast-reloading airstrikes, but she struggles dealing with DDs or higher-tier BBs.

 

I got her for 4.5k dubs and don't regret it (looks nice, built in steel, compatible captain with the tech tree line...), but for 9k I'm not sure I'd pick her over a Kidd, for instance.

 

I vote YES, but only because you say you have 20k dubs to spare.

 

EDIT: some observations about airstrikes

The damage is generally poor, unless you catch a large target nearly stationary. However, they set fires like crazy, and in a reasonably long game you should be able to put together 15+ fires and 100k+ dmg.

 

This was my best airstrike so far, and it "only" did 21k dmg:

 

 

It's also worth pointing out that the planes WILL get shot down by ships with good AA (like this Minnesota with Def AA on), unless they can approach from behind a mountain.

[___V_E_N_O_M___]

1 hour ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I missed a couple of weeks of grinding. Does it worth spendiing 9000 doubloons to get the D7P? I still have a week, but there are 12 stages missing, I can realistically grind 6 and buy 6.

Eewwwwwww no, farm the rewards let them keep their ship.

 

Dutch cruisers are too gimmicky 

[KillStealBoss]

15 minutes ago, Chaoskraehe said:

I have more fund and better results with Ochakov. In the 1:1 brawl, ochakov also shined. 

 

My Problem with the airstrikes isn't the aiming. It is the very low damage together with the reload times, but with all ships. I hade some rare 12k hits with De Witt, but most times (with the silver ships and also the Zeven) there are few hits, even when the ship is perfectly in the attack zone and/or many non pens. I also don't fear Airstrikes when playing against Zeven and her sister, i don't even try to escape anymore because the damage is so low most of the times. 

But, that is my opinion, if you do well with her it is fine. For me it is garbage (but i don't have Tiger, maybe she is even worse).

 

10 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

Ochakov is very fragile but it does have better alpha. DZP lacks alpha and carry potential. It's an interesting ship to play and a good trainer for the Dutch line but they are very, very limited ships, and it shows at Tier VIII where you often don't get good results with any of her weapons.

I'm talking here from personal experience of the ship. It's only my opinion, maybe I was lucky. Who knows. 

[MimosA_A]

Not really. It's situationally very good, but often very weak.

 

It's not particularly good at anything, and while the airstrikes are miles better than the tech-tree ones (mainly because covering an area with 3 of them means you can actually reliable blap moving targets), it's only good when you have a bunch of meatshields soaking up incoming fire for you. The weird flight time of the shots also makes it pretty all over the place when it comes to hitting dodging DD's at anything over 9km for me.

 

It's not bad, but far from a must have. The main reason I got it is because I'm Dutch (even though I left the country years ago) and I felt it was worth the dubloons I got from some random crate for a starter pack to have a prem that speaks that ridiculously awkward voice lines in my mother tongue next to my Friesland. For anyone without any attachment to it, it's not a particularly memorable ship. It's one of those ships that's gonna give you a few awesome games where you get to do your thing, but also a lot of games where you're just an absolute sideshow.

 

EDIT: disclaimer, in pretty much all of the games I played in it, I got "blessed" with spawning on the instantly collapsing flank, and while the 360 turrets make for some decent "wiggle-dat-booty" kiting action, the poor armour means that any BB that can aim somewhat decently will make short work of you.

[MimosA_A]

1 hour ago, MacArthur92 said:

Are you sure? Ochakov exists and 7 Provinces is way better than that. I can say that I'm playing it more like quasi Atlanta . The only thing really lacking in it is the hydro. Having did concealment you can position better and can heal up some hp. Ochakov has way more flat arcs so can't be used near islands at all. The 3 squad airstrike (of you learn how to use it and when to use it) is quiet ok. Idk but I'm not feeling that this ship is bad, it's better than not only Ochakov on T8 but also Anchorage or Belfast '43, not to mention the Tiger '59. I had good results on that ship, 2 times for a kraken (one of them was a carry).  

I'd say the Ochakov, while definitely not being overall better, has a bit more of a defined role. If you play Ochakov, you're pretty much there to get rid of the enemy DD's, anything else is bonus. But if you do "what you're supposed to do", you're of tremendous value to your team, but if it backfires and you lose to much HP, you're just dead weight. 7 Provincien is a bit more forgiving, but also kind of lacks purpose. It's just not really that good at anything. It doesn't do well against DD's, it has the rate of fire to burn down BB's that are dumb enough to repair the first fire, but doesn't really have the range or staying power to keep it up once spotted, the airstrike can definitely make someone miserable, but just as often is a whiff, the 360 turrets allow you to kite away while keeping all your turrets in the game, but the range and poor armour means anyone with big enough guns and decent aim will still hurt like hell, the sluggish flight time of your shots and the accuracy that seems kind of all over the place to me makes it awkward to hit anything fast moving that knows how to use their A and D keys.

 

I'd put them both in the "quirky tier 8 prem" category that's sometimes fun to play, but don't expect too much from it.

[RAYvenMP]

54 minutes ago, MacArthur92 said:

 

I'm talking here from personal experience of the ship. It's only my opinion, maybe I was lucky. Who knows. 

lemme guess, smoke div?

[Chaoskraehe]

Vor 15 Minuten, MimosA_A sagte:

It doesn't do well against DD's

Some DD's can even shred her. I once met a Zeven in my Kitakaze at ~5-6km distance, he was fully broadside. Both started firing at the same moment, he had full HP i had lost ~2k earlier. 

And je didn't had a chance, he sunk and i survived with around 5k HP (my torps were still reloading) pumping AP into his citadel. Had TZP Torps i would have been dead. That day i lost all respect for this ship. 

[MadBadDave]

12 hours ago, Ocsimano18 said:

I missed a couple of weeks of grinding. Does it worth spendiing 9000 doubloons to get the D7P? I still have a week, but there are 12 stages missing, I can realistically grind 6 and buy 6.

Imho yes, but then I like the Dutch cruiser play style and have got used to air strikes, planes hate D7P, the stacked (3) air strikes can and does either blap or cause serious damage, like a lot of ships it has a glass side so you need to know what you’re doing.  It’s not an impact ship you need time to do damage in it, that said it is useful in convoy mode attacking the transports. 

[KillStealBoss]

36 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said:

lemme guess, smoke div?

On provincien ? No. I never needed it. On Ochakov even with smoke from DD I didn't do as well as expected...

[KillStealBoss]

32 minutes ago, Chaoskraehe said:

And je didn't had a chance, he sunk and i survived with around 5k HP (my torps were still reloading) pumping AP into his citadel. 

Well... He was a fool. I would still struggle but showing broadside to kitakaze is dumb idea. 

[Chaoskraehe]

Gerade eben, MacArthur92 sagte:

showing broadside to kitakaze is dumb idea. 

I hope she/he learned that lesson