Last time I had fun grinding new line was EU DDs...

[RAYvenMP]

everything after that was tragical. 20knts BBs with 40s reload, can't be more boring.  DDs that "specialize" in killing cruisers? seriously? Shotgun SAP BBs that can't hit crap from 10km+, wow. And now these Dutch CAs with BC level of reload, shitty HE/AP and bad accuracy.

Gimmicks won't make it fun when the core concept of the class is fundamentally wrong with these new lines

 

At least we have 50 new premiums to redeem it right?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

I so totally want to say this but in font size 50.000.000.

[Montrala]

That is true. Actually I did not finish grind on any new line introduced after European DDs. Just could not force myself. I still sit at new lines as far as Z-31, Kansas, Caracciolo, Eendracht. Meanwhile I grinded Euro DDs (twice), British DDs (twice), CLs, CAs (twice), both IJN DDs lines (twice, third grind at T6 now), US fast BBs and IJN CV line (shame, I know). Working on some older lines with US DDs being most advanced at Fletcher, but those new lines are just meh.

[Fatal_Ramses]

Ive regrinded the EU-DD line once. Anything that came after them is stuck at 8 or 9.

[invicta2012]

I will finish the German DDs, the Dutch cruisers are OK ish. American slow BBS are dull, Italian BBs are frustrating.

 

However the problem isn't the silver lines themselves. It's the speed at which lines are coming out (which gives no time to savour the lines, enjoy the new playstyles like we used to do), the sheer number of ships I need to play to advance, coupled with WG's tendency to release a Tier VII/IX/X resource ship, which is generally good enough for fun gameplay / resource grinding purposes. Do I need a Yamato? No, I have a Musashi. Do I need Republique? No, I have JB. Do I need a Grosser whatknot? Nope, I have Pommern. etc etc.  That means progress on the silver line stalls, because it's resource heavy and often involves playing a load of games in a giant donkey of a Tier IX ship which I'd rather skip. (Hello Lion, Seattle, etc). 

[Gebe_]

11 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

However the problem isn't the silver lines themselves. It's the speed at which lines are coming out (which gives no time to savour the lines, enjoy the new playstyles like we used to do),

So true...

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

2 hours ago, RAYvenMP said:

everything after that was tragical. 20knts BBs with 40s reload, can't be more boring.  DDs that "specialize" in killing cruisers? seriously? Shotgun SAP BBs that can't hit crap from 10km+, wow. And now these Dutch CAs with BC level of reload, shitty HE/AP and bad accuracy.

Gimmicks won't make it fun when the core concept of the class is fundamentally wrong with these new lines

 

At least we have 50 new premiums to redeem it right?

For me the EU DDs are boring and bad. I do have Smaland, which i enjoy, but otherwise....

I really liked Kansas & minnesota, i love the german Elbing line & the dutch cruisers seem interesting at least.

You dont have to play lines if you dont want to- while i have most lines completed, i am putting off the EU DD line and Italian BBs for instance cause i dont really enjoy playing them all that much.

Ppl like different ships, theres no such thing as a wrong concept as long as a good amount of players like the ships

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

Just now, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

For me the EU DDs are boring and bad. I do have Smaland, which i enjoy, but otherwise....

I really liked Kansas & minnesota, i love the german Elbing line & the dutch cruisers seem interesting at least.

You dont have to play lines if you dont want to- while i have most lines completed, i am putting off the EU DD line and Italian BBs for instance cause i dont really enjoy playing them all that much.

Ppl like different ships, theres no such thing as a wrong concept as long as a good amount of players like the ships

Also, have you actually played Schultz or Elbing? Those DDs dont specialise in killing cruisers, they specialise in being cruisers 

[RAYvenMP]

13 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

For me the EU DDs are boring and bad. I do have Smaland, which i enjoy, but otherwise....

I really liked Kansas & minnesota, i love the german Elbing line & the dutch cruisers seem interesting at least.

You dont have to play lines if you dont want to- while i have most lines completed, i am putting off the EU DD line and Italian BBs for instance cause i dont really enjoy playing them all that much.

Ppl like different ships, theres no such thing as a wrong concept as long as a good amount of players like the ships

 

14 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

Also, have you actually played Schultz or Elbing? Those DDs dont specialise in killing cruisers, they specialise in being cruisers 

This is a topic how bad/boring to grind those lines are and you have literally either not played those ships or used FXP to progress (stopped T7 for Dutch, 8 games in Shultz or 20 games in Kansas & Minnesota also means you mostly free EXP to T10)

You also stopped EU DDs in T8

 

but at least we agree on Italians.

[LemonadeWarriorITA]

I stopped grinding as well. Entire game is just becoming an RNG fest to be honest. I don't even bother trying anymore against carriers.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

47 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

theres no such thing as a wrong concept as long as a good amount of players like the ships

lol - WG: hold my beer

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Just don't? I haven't touched US "heavy" BBs, Italian BBs, dutch cruisers or German "heavy" DDs. They suck, they are no fun, I just won't bother with them. Problem solved.

[totally_potato]

3 hours ago, RAYvenMP said:

everything after that was tragical. 20knts BBs with 40s reload, can't be more boring.  DDs that "specialize" in killing cruisers? seriously? Shotgun SAP BBs that can't hit crap from 10km+, wow. And now these Dutch CAs with BC level of reload, shitty HE/AP and bad accuracy.

Gimmicks won't make it fun when the core concept of the class is fundamentally wrong with these new lines

 

At least we have 50 new premiums to redeem it right?

clarifications

German DDs specialize in using AP, not just "killing cruisers"

Italian BBs, atleast the higher tier ones, can hit things outside 10km becoz they have a ton of guns

Dutch cruisers are kind of meh tho, that's true tbh

 

You forgot about balans CVs btw

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

That means progress on the silver line stalls, because it's resource heavy and often involves playing a load of games in a giant donkey of a Tier IX ship which I'd rather skip. (Hello Lion, Seattle, etc). 

Hmm....Lion rated as a donkey.

Quite appropriate in a way.

Didn't the famous General Ludendorff describe the British Army as "Lions led by donkeys"? (Though I understand that the origin of the imagery is much older.)

 

P.S. Lion is my worst tier 9 BB by a large margin, BTW. 

I blame its Captain!

Hee haw, hee haw, he haw to know better!

[RAYvenMP]

27 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

You forgot about balans CVs btw

oh man, i will so [edited]grind RU CVs if they are anything close to this Chalkov crap

I think it should be rule that every new line is borderline OP at least for a month so i can grind it and then forget it when (over)nerfed.

[totally_potato]

6 minutes ago, RAYvenMP said:

oh man, i will so [edited]grind RU CVs if they are anything close to this Chalkov crap

I think it should be rule that every new line is borderline OP at least for a month so i can grind it and then forget it when (over)nerfed.

it looks like its pretty bad at the hands of bad CV players, and very powerful in the hands of unicums

 

Also its russian, it will stay OP for some time

[RAYvenMP]

2 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

it looks like its pretty bad at the hands of bad CV players, and very powerful in the hands of unicums

 

Also its russian, it will stay OP for some time

like most T8 CV its gets fucked in T10 (specially in team full of Dutch abominations, because the AA is about the only thing solid on them)

but you can still chase DDs well (unlike other CVs) or as last resort skip bomb outside AA. so the battle impact is solid

[Isoruku_Yamamoto]

1 hour ago, RAYvenMP said:

 

This is a topic how bad/boring to grind those lines are and you have literally either not played those ships or used FXP to progress (stopped T7 for Dutch, 8 games in Shultz or 20 games in Kansas & Minnesota also means you mostly free EXP to T10)

You also stopped EU DDs in T8

 

but at least we agree on Italians.

I have played Schultz mostly in ranked, using a lot of XP signals to get to higher tiers faster- cause i enjoy the line.

No FXP on kansas, minnesota, vermont, elbing line etc.

I didnt stop playing pan EU DDs or dutch cruisers, rather i havent finished the grind on them yet....

[totally_potato]

22 minutes ago, Isoruku_Yamamoto said:

I have played Schultz mostly in ranked, using a lot of XP signals to get to higher tiers faster- cause i enjoy the line.

No FXP on kansas, minnesota, vermont, elbing line etc.

I didnt stop playing pan EU DDs or dutch cruisers, rather i havent finished the grind on them yet....

I am not finished with the Dutch grind. Currently at Johan de Witt, and its bearable to say the least. About airstrikes. It will take some practice to master them, but good drop lent me some pretty insane numbers. Got one in Haarlem, where I struck an Alsace for 19.8K and 2 fires and he'd already dama coned. The ships themselves could have been better tbh. 

 

The Elbing line is one I didn't have to grind. Got both Z-31 and GJM with tokens and Felix on the third random bundle. I have to say my luck was amazing. As for the ships, I had practiced using AP via Daring and Kleber, so I was sort of read for Z-31, and my god was it tragic. Its so limited in every aspect. It was sort of hard to kill for a T7 DD, but its limited in everything else. The AP was good cit T5 and T6 cruisers at medium range, and a few CLs like Flint at T7. On others it did ok dmg, but it took so long to kill them. Its like playing a Minekaze as a gunboat. T8 was a challenge to play, as I wasn't ready for the mini cruiser maneuverability yet, but with enough practice, I eventually got good at it and while it is still relatively limited, its gunpower is good enough atleast. It was more dmg farmer than cruiser killer, and the cruiser killer transition is at Schultz. Felix was a hard experience at first as I could not duel other DDs that well. But once I learnt my ammo types, positioning, comfortable distance, teammates I can support, and target selection, I came to enjoy Schultz. The HE, even with crap alpha, did some fairly high alpha strikes vs DDs at 6 ish km, thnx to accuracy. The AP vs the angled lot was devastating. The armor plating of 25mm was much more uniformly and properly covered across the hull. This allowed me to survive DD fights as no one likes to switch to AP. Against CLs, it was a threat and a half, and CAs, at about 6km it devastated them too. For BBs, it chunked them fairly well too. WHat surprised me was the Torps and AA. Never imagined the AA would be good, and the torps would hit often with that speed. And I don't need to tell you how much I enjoyed the Elbing. Frankly I felt like a god.

 

The american BBs, I free XPed past Kansas once the line was fully released and played Minnesota but was too impatient so got to Vermont, and its gunpower was amazing. 

 

 

[Gwynbleidd11]

Nonsence, I'm really enjoying all new lines. Actually some of older lines seems to be weaker, WG even buffed Nagato reload for instance

[invicta2012]

4 hours ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

Nonsence, I'm really enjoying all new lines.

 

[WorthyOpponent]

To give my own opinion on this, I think it's not the concepts that are bad, but how WG changed their way of making lines after EU DDs to "Everything trash until you hit T10" 

 

Though for the record, I finished and really enjoyed IT BBs, maybe not so much around Lepanto and stock V. Veneto, but Caracciolo is definitely one of my favorite ships. For others, I didn't even bother trying. I got only credits from split German DD event and completely stopped playing on Dutch.

 

For Vermont line, I made a Facebook post about how happy I am to finally get Kansas so I can sell it for 8M Credits even. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

5 hours ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

Nonsence, I'm really enjoying all new lines. Actually some of older lines seems to be weaker, WG even buffed Nagato reload for instance

Next time, try this:

5 hours ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

I'm really enjoying all new lines. Actually some of older lines seems to be weaker, WG even buffed Nagato reload for instance 

The happy face is optional.

 

I find the new lines undesirable, like OP. The announcement of the Dutch lines actually made me finally decide to quit and uninstall, and I'm a Dutchie. I found WG's addition of airstrikes to Dutch cruisers bizarre, unnessecery, and offensive.

[Verblonde]

1 hour ago, invicta2012 said:

 

How did I not know this was Tegan and Sara?!

 

 

5 hours ago, Gwynbleidd11 said:

Nonsence, I'm really enjoying all new lines.

No. More. Drugs. For. That. Life-form.

 

As to the OP, I'm trying to think of something actively *fun* since the EU DDs (which I did like a lot, at least from T6 or so, and T9+ are pretty outstanding, not to mention Orkan and Smaland); the only thing that really springs to mind is Vampire II, although Ragnar is looking promising, but it's way too soon on that one. The T9+ alternative KM DD line aren't awful, but I can think of several other things that I'd much rather play first... I guess it's a fair point, but I may be feeling grumpy having had a painful reminder about the Italian BBs in Narai last night...!

[SkollUlfr]

"the next big thing will correct the growing pile of balance issues, just you wait".