Any way to get old ships?

[Babablam]

Is there any way of getting some of the older ships like Nelson or Musashi, preferably in a way that doesn't involve some rip-off gacha mechanic? It seems kind of stupid to make all these historical ships unavailable to new players and just keep releasing new made-up fantasy ships in their stead. Why not just have both available? Surely it doesn't matter which ships people are buying so long as they buy something?

[black_falcon120]

They add a few of the old ones such as the Jean Bart to the Black Friday containers, but other than that not really.  
 

There are two types of removals, the OP ships and the too popular ships.  The OP ships ( mushashi, enterprise, T7 Belfast etc) will never come back. But the too popular ships may do, I suspect the nelson is one of the latter camp, but it’s been too soon for them to add it to any lootboxes.

[KillStealBoss]

Musashi and other unavailable ships - supercontainers. The ones that recently removed - no idea maybe they'll sell them normally, they are available in SCs (last Christmas my friend got the Nelson in SC...)

[totally_potato]

3 hours ago, Babablam said:

Is there any way of getting some of the older ships like Nelson or Musashi, preferably in a way that doesn't involve some rip-off gacha mechanic? It seems kind of stupid to make all these historical ships unavailable to new players and just keep releasing new made-up fantasy ships in their stead. Why not just have both available? Surely it doesn't matter which ships people are buying so long as they buy something?

too late.

Musashi was removed a while ago and Nelson was removed a couple of months ago

They were removed due to either being too strong, or too popular, or a combination of both

Rn, the only way to get them is loot crates, so good luck getting them 

[ZeMalm]

If it was not against WG rules then I would sell you my account with Musashi, Missouri, JB, Kamikaze R, Arkansas Beta, Smol and a lot of other oldtimers 

[Hades_warrior]

6 hours ago, Babablam said:

 It seems kind of stupid to make all these historical ships unavailable to new players

Not from perspective of an older players.

 

6 hours ago, Babablam said:

 

Surely it doesn't matter which ships people are buying so long as they buy something?

You mean buying with real money and being clueless about how to play them?

[Dutchy_2019]

The only way to get removed ships:

 

- Some of them might reappear in the shop, either permanently or temporary (like what happened with Cheshire, Vampire and König Albert).

- Super Containers drop most if not all of them, with the exception of special reward ships like Arkansas B, Iwaki A, Alabama VT, Alabama ST

- Christmas crates can drop most of them, though the T4 and T5 naughty ships (like Kamikaze and Giulio Cesare) will no longer drop from them

- Occasional resale of themed GamblingCrates, like the Lunar New Year crates or Black Friday GamblingCrates

- (Re)sale of ships for special events, most notably Black Friday (which last year could still get you Jean Bart Black while Jean Bart was already no longer available from the shop or armory). Mind you, this can get expensive as they might only be available in a package deal (like you have to buy ALL Black ships of a given year). Jean Bart, Massachussetts and Alaska all have 'Black' versions.

 

[Onsterfelijke]

The christmas boxes are the only ones to get those oldies but check before you buy them If those are still on the list....

[invicta2012]

3 minutes ago, Onsterfelijke said:

The christmas boxes are the only ones to get those oldies but check before you buy them If those are still on the list....

... and check what you have to have in your port before you'll have *any* chance of getting them. 

[ZeMalm]

2 minutes ago, Onsterfelijke said:

The christmas santa  satan boxes are the only ones to get those oldies but check before you buy them If those are still on the list....

And remember for every Mushashi/Kami/Belfast/etc.... there will be 2000 Makarovs.

[doerhoff_damian]

They might return one Day like the Missouri or you might be able to buy a Black Version like Jean Bart Black.

But until then you have to wait.

Right now you only find them in Christmas Lootboxes and those are really expensive. Especially if you don´t have all the other premium Ships that you can get from these Boxes.

Since these are very rare Ships the chances to get them are extremly Low so I would not even try

[Onsterfelijke]

3 minutes ago, invicta2012 said:

... and check what you have to have in your port before you'll have *any* chance of getting them. 

I have almost all of them :) seems i miss some T6 and T8 which i get next christmas!

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

8 hours ago, Babablam said:

Is there any way of getting some of the older ships like Nelson or Musashi, preferably in a way that doesn't involve some rip-off gacha mechanic? It seems kind of stupid to make all these historical ships unavailable to new players and just keep releasing new made-up fantasy ships in their stead. Why not just have both available? Surely it doesn't matter which ships people are buying so long as they buy something?

Musashi I kind of understand since it falls into the OP/banned section being a T10 Yamato in T9 MM. But why they cant have other not so OP ships like Nelson etc for sale for cash or dublons I don't really understand in a sales standpoint. Guessing you will see more "not so OP/banned" ships in Premium store in the future when WG needs more money. But knowing them they will probably hide them behind gambling.

[invicta2012]

10 minutes ago, Onsterfelijke said:

I have almost all of them :) seems i miss some T6 and T8 which i get next christmas!

That's what everyone said last year. Turns out there weren't many people with a Makarov. (My money is on Poltava as the star of the Chrismas Boxes this year, btw.)

[FonikiSayionara]

Satan crates :)

[Onsterfelijke]

Just now, invicta2012 said:

That's what everyone said last year. Turns out there weren't many people with a Makarov. (My money is on Poltava as the star of the Chrismas Boxes this year, btw.)

I had the Makarov but seems i didn't had the OSTERGOTLAND but i know i miss some ships so i had something to look for.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

4 hours ago, totally_potato said:

too late.

Musashi was removed a while ago and Nelson was removed a couple of months ago

They were removed due to either being too strong, or too popular, or a combination of both

Rn, the only way to get them is loot crates, so good luck getting them 

Removed for being too popular? Please. Too strong? WG suddenly hard lining on balance or something? Hahaha. The only reason ships are removed is because they need leverage for loot crates and less competition for their new premium solutions to self inflicted problems. Notice how they tried to start a tier system that includes 'rare' items etc? Right. There are no gameplay reasons. Gambling. That's it.

[ZeMalm]

3 minutes ago, Europizza said:

There are no gameplay reasons

There is no spoon.

 

And I have a feeling that I will soon get another forum warning.

[totally_potato]

29 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Removed for being too popular? Please. Too strong? WG suddenly hard lining on balance or something? Hahaha. The only reason ships are removed is because they need leverage for loot crates and less competition for their new premium solutions to self inflicted problems. Notice how they tried to start a tier system that includes 'rare' items etc? Right. There are no gameplay reasons. Gambling. That's it.

Ig I could agree with you with a few ships. Z-39 was one hell of a questionable removal

But then again, there is some logic in the statement of too popular, for eg Smolensk (which was OP af) and Jean Bart (which was popular af)

This is WG we are talking about. Ik they don't have the best of intentions but I did see some logic to some of their removals.

I am not crediting them, just stating that there is a tiny bit of logic, even tho its not with the best of intentions

[black_falcon120]

4 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

Ig I could agree with you with a few ships. Z-39 was one hell of a questionable removal

But then again, there is some logic in the statement of too popular, for eg Smolensk (which was OP af) and Jean Bart (which was popular af)

This is WG we are talking about. Ik they don't have the best of intentions but I did see some logic to some of their removals.

I am not crediting them, just stating that there is a tiny bit of logic, even tho its not with the best of intentions

Agree, but WG denied they removed the Smolensk for being OP. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

35 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

Ig I could agree with you with a few ships. Z-39 was one hell of a questionable removal

But then again, there is some logic in the statement of too popular, for eg Smolensk (which was OP af) and Jean Bart (which was popular af)

This is WG we are talking about. Ik they don't have the best of intentions but I did see some logic to some of their removals.

I am not crediting them, just stating that there is a tiny bit of logic, even tho its not with the best of intentions

I understand you want to see logic in it. The little logic you acknowledge is the actual lie itself though, so I'm not sure what to make of your answer 

 

What is 'popular af' and what is the actual problem with that for the game? Did you encounter way too many 4 or 6 JB matches that made the game lobsided or impossible for other classes? Or matches where you felt the number of Musashi's in it was making the match boring or unbalanced?

There is NO gameplay design requirement pushing these decisions. These removals, subs, airstrikes, all of it is driven by their metagame, not gameplay requirements.

 

'This product is just too damn popular! We need to remove it from sale!' Said no one ever. 

[Cippalippus]

Yes, if you want to get old ships you need to follow this guide. Mind you that it does not work with every ship, but it's worth a try!

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[totally_potato]

3 hours ago, Cippalippus said:

Yes, if you want to get old ships you need to follow this guide. Mind you that it does not work with every ship, but it's worth a try!

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[FlyingBender]

7 horas antes, Dutchy_2019 dijo:

Kamikaze and Giulio Cesare

Both still in the super container list... but chance is near to impossible

[Babablam]

9 hours ago, Hades_warrior said:

You mean buying with real money and being clueless about how to play them?

How is it any different from people buying the newer ships and being clueless about how to play them?