And subs are becoming more stealthier....

[Andrewbassg]

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/203

 

Coz...yeah.

[Verblonde]

I've been doing a few missions in Coop the last couple of days, and seen far fewer subs than previously - perhaps we've reached the 'no-one is playing them and we don't want to look like we wasted all that time and money, so time to start reaching for the buffs' stage of proceedings (cf CVs)...?

[lovelacebeer]

Stand by for WG furiously lurching around trying to desperately make subs work. On the upside the fact they are having to do all this shows just how little WG seem to know what they are doing. 
 

Still credit where it’s due they did make it harder to shotgun DDs at very close range. 

[Pikkozoikum]

56 minutes ago, Andrewbassg said:

https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/203

 

Coz...yeah.

Though that doesn't have too much effect, it's kinda nice, if you are a submarine sitting in 4km range of another submarine or as DD, but mostly that's it

But also the Div Cap depletion gets hard buffed from 2 to 4

[Vudd2473]

I don't like submarines either, but let's not cherry pick. This is what's changing:

• Dive Capacity depletion when spotted increased from 2 to 4 units per second;
• Dive Capacity recharge rate increase from 0.3 to 0.5 units per second;
• Detectability Range after emitting a ping decreased from 4 to 2 km;
• Torpedo arming time increased from 0.5 to 2 s;

It would be much more worthwhile to discuss whether or not these changes target what people's issues with submarines are rather than black-painting everything.

[Andrewbassg]

38 minutes ago, Pikkozoikum said:

Though that doesn't have too much effect, it's kinda nice, if you are a submarine sitting in 4km range of another submarine or as DD, but mostly that's it

But also the Div Cap depletion gets hard buffed from 2 to 4

Yes its not lost on me. Which is not a buff. Just sayin. However....

 

17 minutes ago, Vudd2473 said:

• Detectability Range after emitting a ping decreased from 4 to 2 km;
•  

........... Wp WG.

 

[lovelacebeer]

17 minutes ago, Vudd2473 said:

I don't like submarines either, but let's not cherry pick. This is what's changing:

• Dive Capacity depletion when spotted increased from 2 to 4 units per second;
• Dive Capacity recharge rate increase from 0.3 to 0.5 units per second;
• Detectability Range after emitting a ping decreased from 4 to 2 km;
• Torpedo arming time increased from 0.5 to 2 s;

It would be much more worthwhile to discuss whether or not these changes target what people's issues with submarines are rather than black-painting everything.

I get the impression WG want to try and encourage Submarine players to switch to a more hit and run play style. Getting into position snapping off a shot and getting out undetected. 
 

It will be interesting to see if it’s achievable at least l. 

[Andrewbassg]

26 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I get the impression WG want to try and encourage Submarine players to switch to a more hit and run play style. Getting into position snapping off a shot and getting out undetected. 
 

It will be interesting to see if it’s achievable at least l. 

Yeah....just what we need. Another friikkin sniper class not geared towards teamplay. Da brilliant geniuses.....

 

Coz Cv's are not hated enough..... Sigh....

[Nibenay78]

Well blimey, Civilization 6 was on -85% discount today. Have fun with the subs! about €12 for one of the bundles. I wonder if I can even get a single pixelboat for that...

 

what? you said something about submarines? didn't get it...

[invicta2012]

1 hour ago, Vudd2473 said:

It would be much more worthwhile to discuss whether or not these changes target what people's issues with submarines are rather than black-painting everything.

The torpedo arming time change is very good and prevents exploits. The rest of it is a few tweaks to what remains very much a Beta testing model which has fundamental flaws.

 

54 minutes ago, lovelacebeer said:

I get the impression WG want to try and encourage Submarine players to switch to a more hit and run play style. Getting into position snapping off a shot and getting out undetected. 

Well, that is quite submarine-ish. Or at least, it's very *torpedo craft* ish. 

[Pukovnik7]

2 hours ago, Verblonde said:

I've been doing a few missions in Coop the last couple of days, and seen far fewer subs than previously - perhaps we've reached the 'no-one is playing them and we don't want to look like we wasted all that time and money, so time to start reaching for the buffs' stage of proceedings (cf CVs)...?

I just played two Ranked battles. Whereas previously there would typically be one or two subs, now there haven't been subs in either.

 

But of course, WeeGee will never admit that subs are boring to play, just as they never will admit the same for CVs. And so they will keep making the game more boring for everybody...

[SodaBubbles]

1 hour ago, Vudd2473 said:

I don't like submarines either, but let's not cherry pick. This is what's changing:

• Dive Capacity depletion when spotted increased from 2 to 4 units per second;
• Dive Capacity recharge rate increase from 0.3 to 0.5 units per second;
• Detectability Range after emitting a ping decreased from 4 to 2 km;
• Torpedo arming time increased from 0.5 to 2 s;

It would be much more worthwhile to discuss whether or not these changes target what people's issues with submarines are rather than black-painting everything.

They don't. I was just killed by that utter cheat in which the sub launches torps, then you dodge, then he pings you when the torps are right next to you and the torps suddenly curve and hit you. 

Total cheating.
 

[SodaBubbles]

19 minutes ago, Pukovnik7 said:

I just played two Ranked battles. Whereas previously there would typically be one or two subs, now there haven't been subs in either.

 

But of course, WeeGee will never admit that subs are boring to play, just as they never will admit the same for CVs. And so they will keep making the game more boring for everybody...

That's the one good thing. Fewer subs as time goes on. Unfortunately I expect WG will buff them to put more mediocre players in them. 

[Andrewbassg]

Wazzz the problem Be-as-to-f-war?? Show up if u want to say somethin....

[SkollUlfr]

3 hours ago, lovelacebeer said:

all this shows just how little WG seem to know what they are doing. 

what wg devs could do vs what corpo makes them do to conform to monetisation results in half baked self destructive results.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Think bow and that other fella are condemned to read only? Does anyone know an english speaking streamer besides Notser that plays subs at all?

[Carandraug]

18 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Think bow and that other fella are condemned to read only? Does anyone know an english speaking streamer besides Notser that plays subs at all?

I think Trenlass is actually enjoying them as the only one. But not playing them that much anyway i think.

[Andrewbassg]

17 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Think bow and that other fella are condemned to read only? 

 Ah I see.....Well...  its not pleasant to be NDA-d.... so in that case I understand...

17 minutes ago, Europizza said:

 Does anyone know an english speaking streamer besides Notser that plays subs at all?

 No idea.

 

[Latouche_Treville]

6 hours ago, Nibenay78 said:

Well blimey, Civilization 6 was on -85% discount today. Have fun with the subs! about €12 for one of the bundles. I wonder if I can even get a single pixelboat for that...

 

what? you said something about submarines? didn't get it...

Civilization is one of the greatest game ever sold, but as addictive as tobacco or Daims, I don't go near it anymore!!!

[Latouche_Treville]

4 hours ago, Andrewbassg said:

Wazzz the problem Be-as-to-f-war?? Show up if u want to say somethin....

Please, life is hard enough.

[Latouche_Treville]

4 hours ago, Europizza said:

Think bow and that other fella are condemned to read only? Does anyone know an english speaking streamer besides Notser that plays subs at all?

Aeroon :

 

 

 

 

 

[WWDragon]

6 hours ago, SodaBubbles said:

Total cheating.

No, thats not cheating ...

 

That is the problem but WG wont drop it as long they want to hold on to their idea of Sub vs Sub combat because that is necessary to work, of course question is why they want underwater dogfighting when that was never a thing, its not going to be a thing in the game either simply because they will be forced to limit the number of subs to just 1-2 as right now Co-Op is a crapshoot and its going to be even worst if they are added into Randoms, imagine 2/3 of teams being DDs and subs with a lone cruiser and the rest BBs.

[Yedwy]

10 hours ago, Vudd2473 said:

I don't like submarines either, but let's not cherry pick. This is what's changing:

• Dive Capacity depletion when spotted increased from 2 to 4 units per second;
• Dive Capacity recharge rate increase from 0.3 to 0.5 units per second;
• Detectability Range after emitting a ping decreased from 4 to 2 km;
• Torpedo arming time increased from 0.5 to 2 s;

It would be much more worthwhile to discuss whether or not these changes target what people's issues with submarines are rather than black-painting everything.

Mkay

 

It addresses the coop issues of bots nobody can shoot couse they are lingering at the max depth and they reduced the faceplanting potental vs charging DDs/CLs that go for the depthcharge run but the core issue - homing torps, they didnt ameliorate, quite the contrary subs can now use them with even more impunity...

[Camperdown]

59 minutes ago, WWDragon said:

No, thats not cheating ...

 

That is the problem but WG wont drop it as long they want to hold on to their idea of Sub vs Sub combat because that is necessary to work, of course question is why they want underwater dogfighting when that was never a thing, its not going to be a thing in the game either simply because they will be forced to limit the number of subs to just 1-2 as right now Co-Op is a crapshoot and its going to be even worst if they are added into Randoms, imagine 2/3 of teams being DDs and subs with a lone cruiser and the rest BBs.

If they want it sub vs sub, why do they not limit the ping mechanism with homing torps to subs only?

[SodaBubbles]

1 hour ago, WWDragon said:

No, thats not cheating ...

 

Not going to argue.