This needs addressing

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

@Crysantos this statement needs addressing is this miscommunication or actually an admission from WG that drop rates have not been legally compliant up to this point.

[albin322]

so wg is saying its chinas fault ? 

[HassenderZerhacker]

43 minutes ago, King_Of_The_Potatoes said:

@Crysantos this statement needs addressing is this miscommunication or actually an admission from WG that drop rates have not been legally compliant up to this point.

it goes even further:

it sounds like droprates currently differ from one region to another.

[arttuperkunas]

Personally, I read it as meaning that they are pulling off the same hijinks everywhere, and they are not legal/compliant in China.

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

Personally I see it as the following reasons on the delay implementing the drop rate. As WG will have all the drop data already they shouldn't need a year to publish it.

 

1 The drop rate is illegal or bordering so close to the mark WG need to change it.

 

2 WG want one more Christmas to milk the player base before they have to alter their drop rate.

 

3 Both of the above.

[El2aZeR]

54 minutes ago, albin322 said:

so wg is saying its chinas fault ? 

 

From what I've seen WG isn't selling lootboxes in China.

This is most likely because it would force them to reveal drop chances as per Chinese law ironically.

[UnterSeeBot]

18 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

From what I've seen WG isn't selling lootboxes in China.

This is most likely because it would force them to reveal drop chances as per Chinese law ironically.

drop rates are already revealed on console WOWS (because Playstation requires this), and WOWS still sells lootboxes on console (Legends).

[UnderDuress]

29 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

From what I've seen WG isn't selling lootboxes in China.

This is most likely because it would force them to reveal drop chances as per Chinese law ironically.

So WG is implying Chinese regulations are stopping them revealing loot box rates, when they don’t even sell them in China and so shouldn’t be affected? Good start to the WG apologies tour.

[Hakssor]

Personally as a software developer and because I know how lots of product owners think, I believe the crates are rigged through various algorithms. WoWs is the only game I've played so far which has no rates disclosed so that allows a lot of freedom. I just think as someone who would come at me and ask me to rig some random mechanics. From a software dev pov, that would be fun tbh 

From spending habits, region, country, what already is present in the port, timing to making shortlists, bad ships to come more often etc. There are so many things you can do. Even after the rates are disclosed they can still be some rigging behind but it's far better.

 

I believe it takes them so much time because the rigging is widespread, they have to remake the monetization scheme and then change the code accordingly.

[El2aZeR]

3 minutes ago, UnderDuress said:

So WG is implying Chinese regulations are stopping them revealing loot box rates

 

It's not stopping them from revealing the drop rates, it is stopping them from selling lootboxes in China because Chinese law makes it mandatory to reveal drop rates.

Aka WG would have liked to keep these secret and will continue to do so for a laughable amount of time.

[Bear__Necessities]

All I see is a thread full of players wanting a long holiday in deepest darkest Siberia.....

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

5 minutes ago, Bear__Necessities said:

All I see is a thread full of players wanting a long holiday in deepest darkest Siberia.....

I have my woolly hat ready.

[UnderDuress]

48 minutes ago, El2aZeR said:

 

It's not stopping them from revealing the drop rates, it is stopping them from selling lootboxes in China because Chinese law makes it mandatory to reveal drop rates.

Aka WG would have liked to keep these secret and will continue to do so for a laughable amount of time.

Oh yes, I know that’s the likely fact. I was just saying the text of their response in the OP image seems to imply they can not disclose drop rate right now because of Chinese regulations. So they are bullshiting already.

[Camperdown]

3 minutes ago, UnderDuress said:

Oh yes, I know that’s the likely fact. I was just saying the text of their response in the OP image seems to imply they can not disclose drop rate right now because of Chinese regulations. So they are bullshiting already.

This is why it is hard to believe that the last conciliatory statement was sincere. They have no conviction to act morally, they will only do so if they are forced to. And then with dragging feet.

So either WG believes we will fall for their shenanigans yet again, or they are bs-ing us believing they can get away with it. Either way they are unconvincing that they truly want to mend their ways.

[The_Chiv]

3 hours ago, King_Of_The_Potatoes said:

@Crysantos this statement needs addressing is this miscommunication or actually an admission from WG that drop rates have not been legally compliant up to this point.

So I brought this up on the Important annoucment new post aka. Hey we F'd up again and are sorry mk 22 thread. @MrConway actually explained that console uses a system that is different then what we have on pc. I followed this up with 

Quote

So console uses standard drop tables while PC uses something more akin to a slot machine? 

still waiting for a response

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

1 minute ago, The_Chiv said:

So I brought this up on the Important annoucment new post aka. Hey we F'd up again and are sorry mk 22 thread. @MrConway actually explained that console uses a system that is different then what we have on pc. I followed this up with 

still waiting for a response

Makes me wonder how sketchy these drop rates really are.

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

On 9/3/2021 at 1:06 PM, LoveZeppelin said:

drop rates are already revealed on console WOWS (because Playstation requires this), and WOWS still sells lootboxes on console (Legends).

As common sense would dictate, these droprates are probably very different from what is being used on every other instance world wide where the rates are undisclosed. Case in point below.

On 9/3/2021 at 3:02 PM, The_Chiv said:

So I brought this up on the Important annoucment new post aka. Hey we F'd up again and are sorry mk 22 thread. @MrConway actually explained that console uses a system that is different then what we have on pc.

Simular to the somewhat mythical 11th crate the missouri now seems to drop from if we are to believe users reporting, which could easily be an artificially created false positive.

On 9/3/2021 at 1:23 PM, MortuaEst_1 said:

Personally as a software developer and because I know how lots of product owners think, I believe the crates are rigged through various algorithms. WoWs is the only game I've played so far which has no rates disclosed so that allows a lot of freedom. I just think as someone who would come at me and ask me to rig some random mechanics. From a software dev pov, that would be fun tbh 

From spending habits, region, country, what already is present in the port, timing to making shortlists, bad ships to come more often etc. There are so many things you can do. Even after the rates are disclosed they can still be some rigging behind but it's far better.

 

I believe it takes them so much time because the rigging is widespread, they have to remake the monetization scheme and then change the code accordingly.

I am of the same mind. Having worked in the industry myself, I've seen bugs completely 'rig' gameplay by mere accident, which has shown me how easy it is to deliberately steer all sorts of events towards a preferred outcome. Heck, designing and programming gameplay is basically the act of doing just that. Why limit it to gameplay only if you are running an unregulated casino of some sort?

 

I am very sceptical and rightfully so. In case of Lesta (*and WG), as a company they have shown a track record of years of customer contempt. If Lesta and WG genuinely wants to repair damages done they have quite a daunting task before them. For now I see no reason their behavior will fundamentally change unless there is a definitive corporate shift in goals and people responsible for their current 'creative vision'. Call me cynical. Not happening.

[The_Chiv]

2 minutes ago, King_Of_The_Potatoes said:

Makes me wonder how sketchy these drop rates really are.

Well if it similar to a slot machine OH boy you are not gonna like this answer.

 

So a slot machine has what is known as RTP. Return to player. Return-to-Player, or RTP, is a term from casino operators expressing the total of a slot’s wagered amount returned to the players as wins or jackpots. In other words, RTP is the odds of winning at a specific slot machine. RTP is usually used to decide on the payback to players over a period of time, most often every month of a calendar year. I do a lot of work on a slot streamers channel. Trust me when I say if they are using a similar system then the problem is even worse then we thought and makes the whole short list fiasco last year even more unscrupulous 

[The_Chiv]

3 minutes ago, Europizza said:

As common sense would dictate, these droprates are probably very different from what is being used on every other instance world wide where the rates can be undisclosed. Case in point below.

Simular to the somewhat mythical 11th crate the missouri now seems to drop from if we are to beleive users reporting, which could easily be an artificially created false positive.

I am of the same mind. Having worked in the industry myself, I've seen bugs completely 'rig' gameplay by mere accident, which has shown me how easy it is to deliberately steer all sorts of events towards a preferred outcome. Heck, designing and programming gameplay is basically the act of doing just that. Why limit it to gameplay only if you are running an unregulated casino of some sort?

 

I am very sceptical and rightfully so. In case of Lesta, as a complany they have shown a track record of years of customer contempt. If Lesta and WG genuinely wants to repair damages done they have quite a daunting task before them. For now I see no reason their behavior will fundamentally change unless there is a definitive corporate shift in goals and people responsible for their current 'creative vision'. Call me cynical. Not happening.

Yeah im not buying that 11th drop bs either.

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

2022 the great lootbox rework.

[The_Chiv]

10 minutes ago, King_Of_The_Potatoes said:

2022 the great lootbox rework.

Yep they move away from Slot machine base distribution to drop tables that have values from 1-1000000 with prizes occupying certain segments of numbers. Any prize of a ship will represent less then 1% and then will still have a short list. After said short list it will probably have a higher tendency towards. T2-6 ships( so no change at all)

[BrusilovX]

13 minutes ago, King_Of_The_Potatoes said:

2022 the great lootbox rework.

I wonder if it will be as successful as the CV rework?

[JohnMac79]

4 minutes ago, BrusilovX said:

I wonder if it will be as successful as the CV rework?

Of course it will be. It will be successful in the same way the captain skill rework and the CC rework was. Cant wait for the AI rework, as all reworks from WG are amazing in every way.

[King_Of_The_Potatoes]

17 minutes ago, JohnMac79 said:

Of course it will be. It will be successful in the same way the captain skill rework and the CC rework was. Cant wait for the AI rework, as all reworks from WG are amazing in every way.

The AI rework will probably be as good as when PUBG added AI to the game.

 

https://youtu.be/beqqaXUrtWU

 

 

 

 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, JohnMac79 said:

Of course it will be. It will be successful in the same way the captain skill rework and the CC rework was. Cant wait for the AI rework, as all reworks from WG are amazing in every way.

Even the producers are making tongue in cheek jokes about that on Twitch streams ^^