Missouri: Wargaming your greed is really causing you to lose business sense.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Right now it's looking like I won't be finishing the Pacific War campaign to be eligible to purchase the Missouri because I just don't have the time. I'm not sure how many other people are in the same boat as I am but I would guess I'm not alone. I have offered to purchase the ship outright in a ticket to WG and was told I had to complete the missions. So instead of a guaranteed sale you would rather me take my chances and not get the ship.

 

What kind of sense does this actually make? I'm not going to gamble for it in crates so it looks like WG won't be getting my money. Why would you turn down a 100% chance of a sale?

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

3 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Why would you turn down a 100% chance of a sale?

Because they want everybody else but you to gamble with crates. It's more profitable per unit and the loss of your sale will most likely be easily covered.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Europizza said:

Because they want everybody else but you to gamble with crates. It's more profitable per unit and the loss of your sale will most likely be easily covered.

But how many people just used some spare Doubloons to buy up to that first random and just give up afterwards? 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Want to know what would make them more money? Have the ship for sale along with the missions. Every chapter you complete gives a small discount on the ship and if you end up completing the missions, or even skipping the missions using doubloons, you could end up getting the ship for free at the end. 

 

Everyone wins. 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

But how many people just used some spare Doubloons to buy up to that first random and just give up afterwards? 

A happy coincidence.

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Want to know what would make them more money? Have the ship for sale along the missions. Every chapter you complete gives a small discount on the ship and if you end up completing the missions, or even skipping the missions using doubloons, you could end up getting the ship for free at the end. 

 

Everyone wins. 

It's not the goal to make everyone win. It's basic gambling rules that apply. The house always wins as a general no.1 rule.

 

I think they had some kind of event like that in the past once or twice actually. You might be missing the point of these lootbox and postponed lootbox systems. They most likely have a much higher turnover per active player then straight up sales with discounts ever will. The industry switched to these mechanics for good reason. 

 

I know it sounds cynical. That's because it is.

[Camperdown]

Intransparant pricing through gambling boxes maximises price differentiation and thus exploits price sensitivity to the max.

So, in the blissfully innocent eyes of WG, this is just good business.

 

[xxHELIOS]

Il y a 9 minutes, The_Angry_Admiral a dit :

getting the ship for free

New in Wargambling games ? 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

2 minutes ago, xxHELIOS said:

New in Wargambling games ? 

This is what they do in World of Tanks with it's newest Tier IX Premium. Most people just end up buying the tank at full price because they want to be the first to own it. 

[Starchy_Tuber]

20 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

What kind of sense does this actually make?

The kind that makes them more money than just selling it straight.

Your lack of purchase is already in the numbers, they already gave up on your sale, they do not  care about you, they make more via the crates, you do not count, you do not matter - because gambling pays more.

[The_Angry_Admiral]

5 minutes ago, Camperdown said:

Intransparant pricing through gambling boxes maximises price differentiation and thus exploits price sensitivity to the max.

So, in the blissfully innocent eyes of WG, this is just good business.

 

Thing is I would say a lot of people have copped on to Lootboxes and just don't buy them. 

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Starchy_Tuber said:

The kind that makes them more money than just selling it straight.

Your lack of purchase is already in the numbers, they already gave up on your sale, they do not  care about you, they make more via the crates, you do not count, you do not matter - because gambling pays more.

But again, how many people have just used doubloons they have had stocked up and used that to purchase some boxes and just gave up after not getting it? 

 

I mean if so many people were buying these boxes wouldn't it make more sense to just have it strictly in lootboxes and not give you the option to buy it outright after the missions? Nobody is going to grind the hell out of the missions only to give up and start buying crates unless they have doubloons stocked up. 

[OldschoolGaming_YouTube]

16 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

But how many people just used some spare Doubloons to buy up to that first random and just give up afterwards? 

The Christmas gambling crates unfortunately tells us its better business for WeeeGe to entice gambling addicts into buying crates with almost zero drop chance then selling them for real money. They have a entire fleet of ships to entice addicts with instead of actually just sell them in Premium shop for a set amount of cash/doubloons. Ships like Benham, Belfast, Missouri, Musashi, JB, Smolensk etc etc.

 

Some sane players will do as you say, maybe buy the first one and then give up but the silent majority that waste half their paycheck to get a Makarov way compensate for that.

[Starchy_Tuber]

14 minutes ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

 

I mean if so many people were buying these boxes wouldn't it make more sense to just have it strictly in lootboxes and not give you the option to buy it outright after the missions? Nobody is going to grind the hell out of the missions only to give up and start buying crates unless they have doubloons stocked up. 

did you miss the entire schitsschtorm that "forced" then to do at least the bare minimum to show a way to get ti without WarGambling Crates? 

Its a half-arsed, emergency, sop, did you really think it would be sensible?

[The_Angry_Admiral]

Just now, Starchy_Tuber said:

did you miss the entire schitsschtorm that "forced" then to do at least the bare minimum to show a way to get ti without WarGambling Crates? 

Its a half-arsed, emergency, sop, did you really think it would be sensible?

Think about that for a moment? Forced by whom the player base? If that's so then I bet you that same player most likely wouldn't be purchasing crates anyway so why cater to a group that most likely won't buy your crates? 

 

Let's just face it - I believe WG have shot themselves in the foot and could have made more money than they will make on this farce. 

[Cammo1962]

1 hour ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Want to know what would make them more money? Have the ship for sale along with the missions. Every chapter you complete gives a small discount on the ship and if you end up completing the missions, or even skipping the missions using doubloons, you could end up getting the ship for free at the end. 

 

Everyone wins. 

You dont get the ship for free you pay for it with doubloons that you buy out in the prem-shop if you go for the loo/gambling boxes

[The_Angry_Admiral]

1 minute ago, Cammo1962 said:

You dont get the ship for free you pay for it with doubloons that you buy out in the prem-shop if you go for the loo/gambling boxes

You can gain doubloons without spending actual money.

[Cammo1962]

Just now, The_Angry_Admiral said:

You can gain doubloons without spending actual money.

Where ??

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

14 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

But again, how many people have just used doubloons they have had stocked up and used that to purchase some boxes and just gave up after not getting it? 

 

I mean if so many people were buying these boxes wouldn't it make more sense to just have it strictly in lootboxes and not give you the option to buy it outright after the missions? Nobody is going to grind the hell out of the missions only to give up and start buying crates unless they have doubloons stocked up. 

It is called Sunk cost fallacy.

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Quote: One of the best-known effects, which is considered a cognitive bias, is the sunk-cost effect. It is defined as a “tendency to continue an endeavor once an investment in money, effort, or time has been made” (Arkes and Blumer, 1985, p. 124)

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As for giving the option to buy it: WG didn't want to but an uproar that reached as far as the public game news domain forced their hand.

Initially they announced the Missouri could be purchased for dubloons in some form, and then they actually announced it would ONLY be available in a lootbox system where players could buy the lootboxes with dubloons (see what they did there?).

 

After the upraor that this wall of lootboxes caused, WG announced a weird cop out where people could buy the missouri ONLY after completing a mission sequence that was NOT designed for it. After the mission sequence is completed, ONLY THEN people have earned the weird and totally obscure honor of buying the ship at full price in actual currency.

 

If you want to buy it for dubloons after finishing the mission, you would need to contact WG support,. and they will substract the dubloons from your account (you have to have them first though) and give you the Missouri manually. That is how much WG was unpredared for the uproar and how disconnected they apparently are with their customers. ^^

 

If you havent been up to date with all of this this you are not to blame. It's convoluted BS and it's purposefully applied manipulation techniques to do so.

 

Funny stuff. Right?

[Camperdown]

38 minutes ago, Cammo1962 said:

Where ??

In ranked battles, daily rewards once a month and supercontainers.

[Lootboxer]

3 hours ago, Camperdown said:

In ranked battles, daily rewards once a month and supercontainers.

Good luck with accumulating over 20000 this way.

[Cammo1962]

7 hours ago, Camperdown said:

In ranked battles, daily rewards once a month and supercontainers.

If you are lucky and i have to say i have never got doubloons in daily rewards or supercontainers.

[gabberworld]

9 hours ago, The_Angry_Admiral said:

Right now it's looking like I won't be finishing the Pacific War campaign to be eligible to purchase the Missouri because I just don't have the time. I'm not sure how many other people are in the same boat as I am but I would guess I'm not alone. I have offered to purchase the ship outright in a ticket to WG and was told I had to complete the missions. So instead of a guaranteed sale you would rather me take my chances and not get the ship.

 

What kind of sense does this actually make? I'm not going to gamble for it in crates so it looks like WG won't be getting my money. Why would you turn down a 100% chance of a sale?

Missouri is not a gamble because it have fixed prize size where it is guarantee that you get that. if you want risk it may that you get this cheaper than regular tier 9 ship. but yeah it also may happen that you pay more

[Camperdown]

2 hours ago, Cammo1962 said:

If you are lucky and i have to say i have never got doubloons in daily rewards or supercontainers.

You asked the question, I just informed you. I never said it was easy or what.

For daily rewards it simply requires you to log in some 25 days per month.

In ranked battles you get 200 gold every 2 weeks if you do the 12 wins in bronze, 400 if you rank out in bronze. That's a potential 5 to 10K gold per year.

[Dongi_2018]

11 hours ago, Cammo1962 said:

Where ??

Rather easy. 4K doubloons each 5 /10 weeks from CT T5 premium containers. Depends if you have recruits. Doing PTR shortens the grind. And sure there are players that dont want to watch Twitch or never bothered to collect all the mediocre T5 premiums that WG gave us during events. Or do not get the T5 premium ships that are free  to get for coal because they go for high tier coal ships first. All fine if you prefer to do otherwise. But then no 4K doubloons free for you.
 

And even then the SC quite often give 1k D. Although that wont do much except if you have many many T10 for anniversary SC’s.

[illy]

lots of people have the Missouri, seems another successful money grab for WG.... if people keep spaffing their money up the wall the game will continue as is