Subs have overwhelmingly possitive support and will be coming to random battles near you!

[mtm78]

Want the proof, look at the top of this forum to the pinned threads.

 

They are done with testing bois, it's 100% balanced, fun to play and play against and certainly has 'OvErWhElMiNg SuPpOrT' from the majority of players! This has been determined by hidden survey's only WeGreedy has access to, but that's fine...

 

90% of people on this forum not wanting them does not have ANYTHING to do with it, because we're not representative for the community.

Yup, seems legit!

 

 

 

 

 

[totally_potato]

5 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Want the proof, look at the top of this forum to the pinned threads.

 

They are done with testing bois, it's 100% balanced, fun to play and play against and certainly has 'OvErWhElMiNg SuPpOrT' from the majority of players! This has been determined by hidden survey's only WeGreedy has access to, but that's fine...

 

90% of people on this forum not wanting them does not have ANYTHING to do with it, because we're not representative for the community.

Yup, seems legit!

 

 

 

 

 

absolutely, totally, constructively, overwhelmingly

 

hmm

[mtm78]

6 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

absolutely, totally, constructively, overwhelmingly

 

hmm

 

Yeah I've lost that 'constructive' bit once I realized there is no actual value put on feedback anyway so why even keep being constructive. 

 

Not that I see a way to be constructive here, I mean they are actually hinting towards ranked test having been 'successful' by changing the sticky thread, it's absolutely disgusting. This is the company I spend time on, spend money on assets on, only to be told: ow we lied, but you already paid us so nahahahahahahahahaha 

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

Yup, WG decided subs are fine as is to release. Probably with a few buffs to start them properly lol ^^

The feedback is overwhelmingly positive, because you lot 'played ranked'. 

 

Congratulations everyone! 

[mtm78]

11 minutes ago, Europizza said:

Yup, WG decided subs are fine as is to release. Probably with a few buffs to start them properly lol ^^

The feedback is overwhelmingly positive, because you lot 'played ranked'. 

 

Enjoy everyone! 

 

Expect better homing capabilities on the fish and a new consumable 'nuclear submarine engine upgrade' .. ow wait, they already have those as stock. 

[totally_potato]

20 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Expect better homing capabilities on the fish and a new consumable 'nuclear submarine engine upgrade' .. ow wait, they already have those as stock. 

expect snorkel consumable 

makes subs 100% undetected and immune from all forms of damage for 2 minutes

 

[mtm78]

3 minutes ago, totally_potato said:

expect snorkel consumable 

makes subs 100% undetected and immune from all forms of damage for 2 minutes

 

 

That sounds like a national trait, I would have said Russian submarines were known during WWII for being extremely stealthy weren't they

[totally_potato]

Just now, mtm78 said:

 

That sounds like a national trait, I would have said Russian submarines were known during WWII for being extremely stealthy weren't they

nah nah nah

Soviet subs get Super heal, 12km radar, and nuclear torps

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, totally_potato said:

nah nah nah

Soviet subs get Super heal, 12km radar, and nuclear torps

Underwater Radar sounds very WeeGee atm. 

[Profilus]

29 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Expect better homing capabilities on the fish

Can it be better? Maybe if they wouldn't go around the island, but same side where they started in slalom-style.

 

[mtm78]

Omg that looks utterly disgusting! fun and balanced™

 

 

[totally_potato]

2 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

Underwater Radar sounds very WeeGee atm. 

and the torps have a TC of 760mm 

 

Casual memory of Agir Zoup vid

[YabbaCoe]

1 hour ago, mtm78 said:

Want the proof, look at the top of this forum to the pinned threads.

 

They are done with testing bois, it's 100% balanced, fun to play and play against and certainly has 'OvErWhElMiNg SuPpOrT' from the majority of players! This has been determined by hidden survey's only WeGreedy has access to, but that's fine...

 

90% of people on this forum not wanting them does not have ANYTHING to do with it, because we're not representative for the community.

Yup, seems legit!

 

 

 

 

 

To explain the thread. We had pinned thread TST - Submarine Feedback... and while Subs are out of TST for a long time, it has no reason to still keep the same name. 

As that thread was still very active around this special class, I decided to simply rename it in the same style, like we have other "hot topic" class, General CV Discussion thread, which is also pinned here.

 

Those changes doesn't mean, that everything is finished regarding subs and anti-subs warfare, also nobody mentioned any "positive or overwhelming support as you mentioned". I only intended to change the name of the same thread, not to be outdated. 

 

Regarding Subs in randoms, I think it was mentioned several times, that we are planning to add them to Random battles, that is why they were first implemented to Coops and Rankeds.

[mtm78]

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

also nobody mentioned any "positive or overwhelming support as you mentioned"

 

Quite sure S_O did say that.

 

1 minute ago, YabbaCoe said:

Regarding Subs in randoms, I think it was mentioned several times, that we are planning to add them to Random battles, that is why they were first implemented to Coops and Rankeds.

And that moment is when my lawyer will send a letter to your legal department in which I will ask to be partially restituted all my purchases since you sold me assets under false pretenses. 

 

But, the more important part now is, why do you mention you DO want to add them to random battles while you deny there is actual support for them? That makes little sense to me.. 

 

 

[hellhound666]

1 hour ago, YabbaCoe said:

Regarding Subs in randoms, I think it was mentioned several times, that we are planning to add them to Random battles, that is why they were first implemented to Coops and Rankeds.

That's because you listen to player feedback, right?

or is it because you respect the player's feedback?

 

anyway, another mysorable development from wargambling, full of respect towards players

 

 

[BanzaiPiluso]

I can see the majority of comments in YT, FB, Twitter and here in the forums are negative and against submarines. I am not inventing anything. FB clearly shows the reactions, Twitter as well.

No idea what data are they checking or what fumes they are inhaling...

[YabbaCoe]

19 minutes ago, mtm78 said:

 

Quite sure S_O did say that.

 

And that moment is when my lawyer will send a letter to your legal department in which I will ask to be partially restituted all my purchases since you sold me assets under false pretenses. 

 

But, the more important part now is, why do you mention you DO want to add them to random battles while you deny there is actual support for them? That makes little sense to me.. 

 

 

We always take a look at players' feedback and also basically the data from the server. If deemed necessary, there can always be balance changes, mostly considering gathered data and gathered feedback. 

We will add them to Randoms sooner or later (ETA wasn't announced yet), which is kinda obvious, that it is in plans for a long time. Basically, data from the servers will show us how much support from the player base they actually have, which we can compare to also a general feeling of those from the forum.

 

5 minutes ago, hellhound666 said:

That's because you listen to player feedback, right?

or is it because you respect the player's feedback?

 

anyway, another mysorable development from wargambling full of respect towards players

 

 

We are listening, reading, and considering player's feedback. That doesn't mean, that everything said by players will be implemented and changed in the game.

 

In other threads, I tried to explain how planning in the development process works. We always plan everything being added and changed in the game in advance, several months. The fact, that feedback from vocal players is vastly negative doesn't mean, that we will stop everything. This will mostly drive us to analyze the feedback more thoroughly and to focus our analysis and investigation on that hot topic. This usually leads to balance changes - which is basically what was happening during the entire Submarine development starting from 2019. Since then there were plenty of changes made, very often based on the feedback gathered. I can say that, as I was the one gathering the feedback and probably some of the players could recognize their given feedback being at least partially realized in changes. 

[BanzaiPiluso]

So as soon as they hit randoms I am out.

 

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

I'll post the unpopular opinion, as it is my own.

 

Submarines could use tweaking, but they are... OK. Sure, there will be the salty player who got sunk, but that's life isn't it.

 

I think submarines have little influence over the outcome of a match and that influence will wane further in randoms. 12 vs 12 is a lot of ships. Submarines will get detected earlier and destroyed earlier. Or they'll lurk in the back for some Engaging Play® 

 

That said, I've enjoyed them! Haven't done particularly well with them (always in ranked, I don't play coop), but I have my fun in them. Isn't that what it's about?

[Yedwy]

My oh my, there can’t be a week without an oopsie these days can it… 

 

Well sure hope those gen alpha audience you are aiming at (or should I rather say their patents) generate the income levels you plan on otherwise the servers wont last for long… 

[Verblonde]

7 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

The fact, that feedback from vocal players is vastly negative doesn't mean, that we will stop everything.

I'm curious: the 'vocal' feedback on submarines has been negative (or the vast majority that I've read has been), yet you say they're going into Randoms regardless. Over in WOT, the equivalent feedback on Crew 2.0 (and Rubicon back in the day) has been similarly negative; rather in contrast, Crew 2.0 appears to have been parked indefinitely in its current form (as was Rubicon). Why the difference?

 

Full disclosure: My personal feeling (having played them a bit in Coop, and played against them a fair bit) on submarines is that they are merely a poor addition, rather than a game-breaking one; they make Coop battles dull as you usually have to spend the last several minutes screwing around waiting for the last bot submarine(s) to run out of air, rather than doing anything interesting/fun. This for the simple reason that some idiot thought that having whole swathes of ships entirely unable to damage an entire class (when submerged) was a good idea. Submarines should absolutely not be added to Randoms in their current form.

[Bindolaf_Werebane]

Quote: "Basically, data from the servers will show us how much support from the player base they actually have, which we can compare to also a general feeling of those from the forum".

 

Free translation: Complain if you must, but people (the thousands that play the game and do not read the forums) already play Kansas (lol) and Italian battleships (lol lol) and the new German destroyers (rofl). You can be sure they'll play submarines, regardless of their state and buy the premiums that we'll release - because they'll be shiny and slightly overpowered to begin with.

[Verblonde]

8 minutes ago, Bindolaf_Werebane said:

Sure, there will be the salty player who got sunk, but that's life isn't it.

For me, getting sunk isn't the problem, being bored is: against things with no ASW, a submarine can simply submerge and hide; nothing happens then for as long as the submarine has air (or whatever it is). This is just boring; I've been in far too many Coop battles now where you're just waiting for submarines to surface, rather than doing anything fun (which is, surely, why we play computer games)...

[Mad_Dog_Dante]

22 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

Basically, data from the servers will show us how much support from the player base they actually have, which we can compare to also a general feeling of those from the forum.

'Actually' vs. 'Feelings'. You couldnt have been more clear lol. Doesn't differ much from what your producers have been saying so far about active community feedback vs. the conveniently silent database WG is cuddeling ^^

 

You haven't adressed the multiple mentions on how the data WG is collecting could be heavily flawed or skewed, through badly constructed surveys for example, or misinterpreted data sets, and have WG and Lesta operate under flawed assumptions. Any chance you want to reply to any of the questions raised about the mysterious undisclosed information WG is looking at and it's reliability?

[Spartan_93]

@Crysantos @YabbaCoe

23 minutes ago, YabbaCoe said:

We will add them to Randoms sooner or later (ETA wasn't announced yet), which is kinda obvious, that it is in plans for a long time. Basically, data from the servers will show us how much support from the player base they actually have, which we can compare to also a general feeling of those from the forum.

 

Well, my Clan is to small to play Clan Battles, so Ranked Battles are my only way to obtain an significant ammount of steel (and doubloons).

If I keep playing Ranked Battles, you will interpret it as support for submarines, even if I dislike/hate submarines.

=> So, if I want to show my refusal against submarines, I have to give up my only way to obtain steel.

 

What you do is not collecting data, you're are manipulating and misinterpreting data.